texascavers Digest 9 Feb 2013 00:15:22 -0000 Issue 1704
Topics (messages 21289 through 21293):
Re: RFID chips
21289 by: Louise Power
21290 by: Stefan Creaser
21291 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
21292 by: Louise Power
21293 by: Stefan Creaser
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Well, Bill, not everybody is as smart as you are and sometimes when somebody
tries to do you a favor, the courteous thing to do is just to say thank you.
It's not necessary to be snarky just because you know everything.
> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
> To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:03:11 -0800
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> Here you are, Bill:
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-blockkill-RFID-chips/step4/How-to-kill-your-RFID-chip/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> No new news there. To really abuse the card as shown, somebody needs both the
> reader and the cloner. Sure it could happen. But why does everybody worry
> about things like sending their credit card numbers over the Internet or
> electronic cloning, when they're prefectly willing to give their credit card
> to a waiter who disappears with it temporarily and does God knows what while
> he's got it? Some waiters have been found to have credit-card readers, the
> simple kind that read the magnetic stripe, of their own. Some people have
> hacked merchants'
> computers and intercepted the data from ordinary magnetic-stripe credit-card
> readers. There are plenty of ways to get credit card numbers. But if you're
> really worried about it, you could take the suggestion to wrap your card in
> aluminum foil--not a hassle if you're like me and hardly ever use it except
> for mail orders or very rare large purchases like a set of tires.
>
> Anyway, if you check your statement every month (you _do_, don't you?), you
> can get fraudulent charges removed easily.
>
> The good news it that the technology is very short range.
>
> I have a weird friend who has injected an RFID chip into his hand. It unlocks
> his smart phone; some Android phones have RFID chip readers in them. They're
> everywhere....
>
> What I'd be interested to hear is how one can kill an RFID chip. Would a few
> seconds in a microwave do it, for example? At some point Texas drivers
> licenses will have RFID chips in them--maybe some already do.
> If somebody wants to see my drivers license, I might not be in the mood to be
> very helpful, and it would be nice if he couldn't just read the info
> automatically. I've tried to demagnetize the stripe, but I have no way to
> know whether that's been successful. -- Mixon
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But Bill is just doing his bit to disperse the FUD (fear, uncertainty and
doubt) that "they" use to control the masses!
Now if you *want* to be controlled, or know that Bill writes these posts and
you don't care, then go ahead and ignore the posts.
Almost everything technology related bears some risk - some systems are so
complicated that one can't test all possible scenarios, or if one made it
totally fool proof then almost no one could use it (grin). Calculated risk is
the way forward... if someone comes up to you in an airport and places
something that could be a card reader close to where your wallet/purse could be
then I suggest you apprehend them and take them to the nearest cop.
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:07 PM
To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Mixon; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
Well, Bill, not everybody is as smart as you are and sometimes when somebody
tries to do you a favor, the courteous thing to do is just to say thank you.
It's not necessary to be snarky just because you know everything.
> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com<mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com>;
> texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:03:11 -0800
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> Here you are, Bill:
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-blockkill-RFID-chips/step4/How-to-kill-your-RFID-chip/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> No new news there. To really abuse the card as shown, somebody needs both the
> reader and the cloner. Sure it could happen. But why does everybody worry
> about things like sending their credit card numbers over the Internet or
> electronic cloning, when they're prefectly willing to give their credit card
> to a waiter who disappears with it temporarily and does God knows what while
> he's got it? Some waiters have been found to have credit-card readers, the
> simple kind that read the magnetic stripe, of their own. Some people have
> hacked merchants'
> computers and intercepted the data from ordinary magnetic-stripe credit-card
> readers. There are plenty of ways to get credit card numbers. But if you're
> really worried about it, you could take the suggestion to wrap your card in
> aluminum foil--not a hassle if you're like me and hardly ever use it except
> for mail orders or very rare large purchases like a set of tires.
>
> Anyway, if you check your statement every month (you _do_, don't you?), you
> can get fraudulent charges removed easily.
>
> The good news it that the technology is very short range.
>
> I have a weird friend who has injected an RFID chip into his hand. It unlocks
> his smart phone; some Android phones have RFID chip readers in them. They're
> everywhere....
>
> What I'd be interested to hear is how one can kill an RFID chip. Would a few
> seconds in a microwave do it, for example? At some point Texas drivers
> licenses will have RFID chips in them--maybe some already do.
> If somebody wants to see my drivers license, I might not be in the mood to be
> very helpful, and it would be nice if he couldn't just read the info
> automatically. I've tried to demagnetize the stripe, but I have no way to
> know whether that's been successful. -- Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> True friends stab you in the front.
> ----------------------------------------
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I personally opt for the f ull-head and ear All -you-Min -E-mun foil wrap . It
attracts good women, too.
Another example explaining why a number of Good F olks have abandonded this
forum. And a few other of us consider doing so on a regular basis.
The Doctor Of Dirt
Whoo-hee-WhOOO-HE-whoop!!!
whoopeee
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I know all this, but there are just times when I get tired of people being so
uncivil. What does it cost to say "Thanks for the info" or just ignoring it
altogether instead of responding with six or eight paragraphs of such "let me
tell you how much more I know than you" rhetoric (you idiot--implied if not
said right out).
From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; bmixon...@austin.rr.com;
texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:50:57 -0800
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
But Bill is just doing his bit to disperse the FUD (fear, uncertainty and
doubt) that “they” use to control the masses!
Now if you *want* to be controlled, or know that Bill writes these posts and
you don’t care, then go ahead and ignore the posts.
Almost everything technology related bears some risk – some systems are so
complicated that one can’t test all possible scenarios, or if one made it
totally
fool proof then almost no one could use it (grin). Calculated risk is the way
forward… if someone comes up to you in an airport and places something that
could be a card reader close to where your wallet/purse could be then I suggest
you apprehend them and
take them to the nearest cop.
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:07 PM
To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Mixon; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
Well, Bill, not everybody is as smart as you are and sometimes when somebody
tries to do you a favor, the courteous thing to do is just to say thank you.
It's
not necessary to be snarky just because you know everything.
> From:
stefan.crea...@arm.com
> To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com;
texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:03:11 -0800
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> Here you are, Bill:
>
>
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-blockkill-RFID-chips/step4/How-to-kill-your-RFID-chip/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> No new news there. To really abuse the card as shown, somebody needs both the
> reader and the cloner. Sure it could happen. But why does everybody worry
> about things like sending their credit card numbers over the Internet or
> electronic cloning, when they're
prefectly willing to give their credit card to a waiter who disappears with it
temporarily and does God knows what while he's got it? Some waiters have been
found to have credit-card readers, the simple kind that read the magnetic
stripe, of their own. Some
people have hacked merchants'
> computers and intercepted the data from ordinary magnetic-stripe credit-card
> readers. There are plenty of ways to get credit card numbers. But if you're
> really worried about it, you could take the suggestion to wrap your card in
> aluminum foil--not a hassle
if you're like me and hardly ever use it except for mail orders or very rare
large purchases like a set of tires.
>
> Anyway, if you check your statement every month (you _do_, don't you?), you
> can get fraudulent charges removed easily.
>
> The good news it that the technology is very short range.
>
> I have a weird friend who has injected an RFID chip into his hand. It unlocks
> his smart phone; some Android phones have RFID chip readers in them. They're
> everywhere....
>
> What I'd be interested to hear is how one can kill an RFID chip. Would a few
> seconds in a microwave do it, for example? At some point Texas drivers
> licenses will have RFID chips in them--maybe some already do.
> If somebody wants to see my drivers license, I might not be in the mood to be
> very helpful, and it would be nice if he couldn't just read the info
> automatically. I've tried to demagnetize the stripe, but I have no way to
> know whether that's been successful.
-- Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> True friends stab you in the front.
> ----------------------------------------
> You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use,
> save:
> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
> AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or
sa...@amcs-pubs.org
>
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Since it's Friday afternoon...
Bill *was* being helpful and saying "don't panic", and had justification for it.
FWIW, I actually know people who had their card cloned by an errant waiter, but
I have never heard of anyone being got in the same way as the video.
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 6:00 PM
To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Mixon; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
I know all this, but there are just times when I get tired of people being so
uncivil. What does it cost to say "Thanks for the info" or just ignoring it
altogether instead of responding with six or eight paragraphs of such "let me
tell you how much more I know than you" rhetoric (you idiot--implied if not
said right out).
________________________________
From: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com<mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>;
bmixon...@austin.rr.com<mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com>;
texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:50:57 -0800
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
But Bill is just doing his bit to disperse the FUD (fear, uncertainty and
doubt) that "they" use to control the masses!
Now if you *want* to be controlled, or know that Bill writes these posts and
you don't care, then go ahead and ignore the posts.
Almost everything technology related bears some risk - some systems are so
complicated that one can't test all possible scenarios, or if one made it
totally fool proof then almost no one could use it (grin). Calculated risk is
the way forward... if someone comes up to you in an airport and places
something that could be a card reader close to where your wallet/purse could be
then I suggest you apprehend them and take them to the nearest cop.
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:07 PM
To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Mixon; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
Well, Bill, not everybody is as smart as you are and sometimes when somebody
tries to do you a favor, the courteous thing to do is just to say thank you.
It's not necessary to be snarky just because you know everything.
> From: stefan.crea...@arm.com<mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com>
> To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com<mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com>;
> texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 12:03:11 -0800
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> Here you are, Bill:
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-blockkill-RFID-chips/step4/How-to-kill-your-RFID-chip/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
> Subject: [Texascavers] RFID chips
>
> No new news there. To really abuse the card as shown, somebody needs both the
> reader and the cloner. Sure it could happen. But why does everybody worry
> about things like sending their credit card numbers over the Internet or
> electronic cloning, when they're prefectly willing to give their credit card
> to a waiter who disappears with it temporarily and does God knows what while
> he's got it? Some waiters have been found to have credit-card readers, the
> simple kind that read the magnetic stripe, of their own. Some people have
> hacked merchants'
> computers and intercepted the data from ordinary magnetic-stripe credit-card
> readers. There are plenty of ways to get credit card numbers. But if you're
> really worried about it, you could take the suggestion to wrap your card in
> aluminum foil--not a hassle if you're like me and hardly ever use it except
> for mail orders or very rare large purchases like a set of tires.
>
> Anyway, if you check your statement every month (you _do_, don't you?), you
> can get fraudulent charges removed easily.
>
> The good news it that the technology is very short range.
>
> I have a weird friend who has injected an RFID chip into his hand. It unlocks
> his smart phone; some Android phones have RFID chip readers in them. They're
> everywhere....
>
> What I'd be interested to hear is how one can kill an RFID chip. Would a few
> seconds in a microwave do it, for example? At some point Texas drivers
> licenses will have RFID chips in them--maybe some already do.
> If somebody wants to see my drivers license, I might not be in the mood to be
> very helpful, and it would be nice if he couldn't just read the info
> automatically. I've tried to demagnetize the stripe, but I have no way to
> know whether that's been successful. -- Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> True friends stab you in the front.
> ----------------------------------------
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> save:
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