Marvelous, dear poet! May we please get Jill to immortalize your words in the Texas Caver along with trip reports about Kiwi?
Mimi Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > Mimi works with lubrications, > And gave us interesting calculations. > Rocks and dirt are Vivian’s trade, > So we got more calculations that she had made. > > The hole known as Kiwi has been just a Sink, > But that soon will change, maybe quick as a blink. > With all the barrels and pails removed by the diggers, > It’s been getting’ deeper and will surely get bigger. > > Only Oztotl knows how long 'til it's done, > But until then it will be many barrels of fun. > Then the time and hard work that everyone gave > Will result in discovery of Kiwi the Cave! > > Dedicated to all involved, > Lowgun > > > > On 2/26/2013 9:49 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote: >> Thank you, ladies! I love having knowledgeable friends. Now, anyone else >> out there know the load capacity of a barrel designed to hold 400# of grease >> or water (462#)? I'm used to ratings at 110% of intended load but these >> barrels obviously hold much more than that, at least 6-700#. >> >> Andy >> >> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. >> 700 Billie Brooks Drive >> Driftwood, Texas 78619 >> (512) 799-1095 >> a...@gluesenkamp.com >> From: "vivb...@att.net" <vivb...@att.net> >> To: Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report >> >> grease and oil are relatively light. >> 5 gals of water would be closer to 42 lbs >> 5 gals of broken up limestone weighs about 60 lbs >> 5 gals of solid limestone would be more like 114 lbs. >> Soil would be somewhere between water and gravel. >> >> How do I know this? >> Landscape Architecture is my trade. rocks and dirt are my game. >> But I just googled the conversions. >> -Viv >> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > From: Mimi Jasek <mjca...@gmail.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report >> > To: "lmcn...@austin.rr.com" <lmcn...@austin.rr.com> >> > Cc: "Gill Edigar" <gi...@att.net>, "Cavers Texas" >> > <texascavers@texascavers.com> >> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 10:36 PM >> > Logan, >> > >> > Not too personal at all. What I've learned could prove >> > useful to others. >> > >> > The company I work for does 90-95% of their business selling >> > all kinds of lubricants to industry, farmers, machinists, >> > etc. So, by necessity, I've had to learn things that have >> > actually carried over into normal life. >> > >> > For caving and digging, knowing specs about barrels, kegs, >> > and pails has proved quite helpful. >> > >> > Barrel = 11-5 gal pails = average 400# >> > 5 gal pail >> > = 35# of oil >> > >> > or gear >> > lube >> > 5 gal pail >> > = 38# grease >> > >> > Or, if totally full or half full, using 40# and 20# works as >> > a good average overall. Easier head math! >> > >> > So, with these facts, if dirt is dry and fluffy, oil weight >> > could work. If wet with rocks, grease weight would be >> > better. Keep track of pails, or barrels, and you get an idea >> > of weight removed. If using 2 gal pails, again, keep track >> > total pails, multiply by 2, divide by 5, then use 35 or 38 >> > to multiply to get approximate weight. (Or 40) >> > >> > I have used this method - counter works well - on digs, and >> > it gives you a real sense of accomplishment to figure how >> > many tons you pull out each dig trip! >> > >> > So, that's how and why I know:) >> > >> > Mimi >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Thanks Mimi, >> > > Terry wrote me that "we are well over 100 >> > dump truck loads at 7-8 tons each". Wow! >> > > >> > > Not intending to get too personal here, Mimi, but why >> > do you know that "a normal barrel of grease weighs >> > 400#"? You can reply off-list if needed. >> > > ;-) >> > > Lowgun >> > > >> > > >> > > On 2/25/2013 1:07 AM, Mimi Jasek wrote: >> > > >> > > Logan, >> > > A normal barrel of grease weighs 400#, and the often >> > times wet dirt plus rocks that have been in most barrels >> > that have been hauled out when we helped dig weighed that or >> > more. >> > > >> > > I think the first one we helped with saw either 10 or >> > 14 barrels come out. So at a minimum of 400#, that dig alone >> > netted more than 2 tons! I truly think Gill probably gets >> > around a ton or more for each 5 barrels, not counting the >> > huge rocks brought out singly. Truly an awesome >> > project! Mimi Jasek >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > Gill replied: We were estimating 300 to 600 >> > pounds. But Terry has an in-line >> > > scale we could hang up to measure them. Will try to >> > remember to haul it >> > > over and weigh a half dozen of so of >> > them. --Ediger >> > > >> > > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Logan McNatt <lmcn...@austin.rr.com> >> > wrote: >> > > Gill, Thanks for the report. Can you estimate an >> > average weight for each barrel of fill hauled out? >> > Just wondering if y'all have an idea of the approximate >> > tonnage (fill and rocks) that you have removed since the dig >> > began? >> > > Logan >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > On 2/24/2013 9:01 PM, Gill Edigar wrote: KIWI SINK Dig >> > Report--Sunday 24 February 2013--Andrew and I arrived at >> > > a quarter o'ten and got a status report on Kiwi's >> > garden plot. Then we >> > > attacked the pit. Our immediate objective was to reduce >> > everything >> > > above floor level to about that level before we try to >> > break into the >> > > new underfloor passage opened up by Erin a couple of >> > weeks ago. That >> > > is to be done so that the many yards of loose fill >> > don't fall into the >> > > new lead whilst we're removing them. Currently we have >> > the lead >> > > protected with plywood to minimizing infilling from the >> > higher areas >> > > adjacent to the floor lead. Today we filled up 6-1/2 >> > barrels and >> > > hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks, >> > some in >> > > tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the >> > jin-poles on >> > > the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be >> > raised. Many suitcase >> > > sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for >> > removal. Most >> > > made the transition to the surface; a few are still >> > awaiting another >> > > session or two of backfill removal that will be needed >> > before we can >> > > open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A >> > rather large >> > > contingent of cavers showed up today, many without >> > caving gear. The >> > > list of diggers: >> > > >> > > Dale Barnard >> > > Don Broussard >> > > Erin Brown >> > > Andrew Davison >> > > Gill Ediger >> > > Chris Franke >> > > Ryan Monjaras >> > > John Schneider >> > > Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist. >> > > >> > > ...and visitors: >> > > Leslie Bell >> > > Jay Jorden >> > > RD Milhollan >> > > Andy Gluesenkamp >> > > >> > > Today was very productive. >> > > --Gill Ediger >> > > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
