texascavers Digest 13 Oct 2011 20:10:33 -0000 Issue 1409
Topics (messages 18785 through 18800):
Re: TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
18785 by: Julia Germany
18796 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
Re: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - Half Full, So Book Now!
18786 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
18798 by: Andy Zenker
18799 by: Andy Zenker
old Bexar Cavers
18787 by: Mixon Bill
recycling
18788 by: Sam Young
18793 by: Linda Palit
18795 by: Stefan Creaser
another question about the Bexar Caver
18789 by: Mixon Bill
Bexar Caver
18790 by: Mixon Bill
18792 by: Diana Tomchick
Photos at TCR
18791 by: Butch Fralia
18794 by: Linda Palit
Bexar Grotto survey instruments
18797 by: Marvin and Lisa
Re: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - Six Spots Left! Book Now!
18800 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com
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YAY! Looking good, Michael!
Thanks for posting, Bill.
-----Original Message-----
From: Speleosteele <[email protected]>
To: Texascavers <[email protected]>
Cc: coastalcaver <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is his
kind of caving:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M
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Oh yeah, everyone, also please vote for Michael Cicherski for TCMA
treasurer. He's looking for plenty to do. He loved being the ICS treasurer so
much he's chopping at the bit for more. He tells me these things.
Bill Steele
In a message dated 10/12/2011 11:25:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
YAY! Looking good, Michael!
Thanks for posting, Bill.
-----Original Message-----
From: Speleosteele <[email protected]>
To: Texascavers <[email protected]>
Cc: coastalcaver <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 7:36 am
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA election - vote for Michael Cicherski!
Not only is Michael an ace at keeping good financial records, but this is
his kind of caving:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QfCqvJd-M)
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I just talked to the kind folks down at Longhorn and the trip is now
half full.
The tour can accommodate 20, so, do the math.
This will be a fun trip with cavers you know and, hopefully, get along
with.
If you don't get along with them, the trip should really be interesting!
They can schedule a second group, but, the trip won't get underway until
~2 PM.
I wouldn't wait till Saturday to reserve your space. So call before
midnight tomorrow and grab your slot!
You must pay for the trip when you call, so have that plastic ready.
See you then!
Mark
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If
Interested, Read This! Time Change
The time that the park has requested we begin our trip has changed from
10 AM to 11 AM.
Please call to reserve a spot, if you haven't already done so.
Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.
See you there and please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Mark
_____________________________________________
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
Subject: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If Interested, Read
This!
Good morning, y'all!
I have had a good response for the wild caving trip at Longhorn Caverns
State Park, scheduled for 10 AM this coming Saturday. I suggest leaving
TCR at 9 AM.
I'll have room for one.
To recap:
Longhorn Caverns State Park is a mere ~30 miles away.
Prices are:
$17 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear. Regular rate is
$25.
$27 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear and would like a
collectible t-shirt to commemorate your trip.
If you need to use their equipment it's $10.00 extra. Includes helmet,
light, and knee and elbow pads.
The trip is approximately 2 hours in length and will involve areas of
the cave that most of us have never been in.
They have a very nice cafeteria at the park, where we'll do lunch, and a
way cool Gift Shop. We'll be back in plenty of time for cavorting, rest
and relaxation in the afternoon.
This trip is suitable for kids, as well, so bring 'em along!
There still is room for more folks to participate, but, ...
IMPORTANT! Everyone needs to call the office and go ahead and make their
reservation so the Park will know how many guides are needed. You will
need to pay for it at that time.
Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.
This trip and TCR will be a great time and we'll see you there!
Mark
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--- Begin Message ---
Hello TCR attendees,
I have an extra spot on the Longhorn Wild Cave Tour if anyone wants to go
who has not signed up and paid yet. A friend of mine is not able to make
TCR and I already paid for 2 spots. Let me know if you are interested.
Andy Zenker
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> ** **
>
> I just talked to the kind folks down at Longhorn and the trip is now half
> full.****
>
> ** **
>
> The tour can accommodate 20, so, do the math.****
>
> ** **
>
> This will be a fun trip with cavers you know and, hopefully, get along
> with.****
>
> ** **
>
> If you don’t get along with them, the trip should really be interesting!**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> They can schedule a second group, but, the trip won’t get underway until ~2
> PM.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> I wouldn’t wait till Saturday to reserve your space. So call before
> midnight tomorrow and grab your slot!****
>
> ** **
>
> You must pay for the trip when you call, so have that plastic ready.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> See you then!****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:02 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] RE: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If
> Interested, Read This! Time Change****
>
> ** **
>
> The time that the park has requested we begin our trip has changed from 10
> AM to 11 AM.****
>
> Please call to reserve a spot, if you haven’t already done so.****
>
> Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.****
>
> ** **
>
> See you there and please let me know if you have any questions.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Mark****
>
> _____________________________________________
> *From:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 9:12 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
> *Subject:* Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If Interested, Read
> This!****
>
> Good morning, y'all!****
>
> I have had a good response for the wild caving trip at Longhorn Caverns
> State Park, scheduled for 10 AM this coming Saturday. I suggest leaving TCR
> at 9 AM.****
>
> I’ll have room for one.****
>
> ** **
>
> To recap:****
>
> ** **
>
> Longhorn Caverns State Park is a mere ~30 miles away.****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> Prices are:****
>
> ****
>
> $17 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear. Regular rate is $25.*
> ***
>
> ****
>
> $27 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear and would like a
> collectible t-shirt to commemorate your trip.****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> If you need to use their equipment it's $10.00 extra. Includes helmet,
> light, and knee and elbow pads.****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> The trip is approximately 2 hours in length and will involve areas of the
> cave that most of us have never been in.****
>
> ****
>
> They have a very nice cafeteria at the park, where we’ll do lunch, and a
> way cool Gift Shop. We’ll be back in plenty of time for cavorting, rest and
> relaxation in the afternoon.****
>
> ****
>
> This trip is suitable for kids, as well, so bring ‘em along!****
>
> ****
>
> ****
>
> There still is room for more folks to participate, but, …****
>
> *IMPORTANT!* Everyone needs to call the office and go ahead and make their
> reservation so the Park will know how many guides are needed. You will need
> to pay for it at that time. ****
>
> Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.****
>
> ** **
>
> This trip and TCR will be a great time and we’ll see you there!****
>
> ** **
>
> Mark****
>
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oh, and text me at 512.694.0456 about the Cave Tour since I'll be heading
out to TCR tonight and won't have access to email.
Thanks,
Andy Zenker
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Andy Zenker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello TCR attendees,
>
> I have an extra spot on the Longhorn Wild Cave Tour if anyone wants to go
> who has not signed up and paid yet. A friend of mine is not able to make
> TCR and I already paid for 2 spots. Let me know if you are interested.
>
> Andy Zenker
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ** **
>>
>> I just talked to the kind folks down at Longhorn and the trip is now half
>> full.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The tour can accommodate 20, so, do the math.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This will be a fun trip with cavers you know and, hopefully, get along
>> with.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you don’t get along with them, the trip should really be interesting!*
>> ***
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> They can schedule a second group, but, the trip won’t get underway until
>> ~2 PM.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I wouldn’t wait till Saturday to reserve your space. So call before
>> midnight tomorrow and grab your slot!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You must pay for the trip when you call, so have that plastic ready.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> See you then!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Mark****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:02 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] RE: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR -
>> If Interested, Read This! Time Change****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The time that the park has requested we begin our trip has changed from 10
>> AM to 11 AM.****
>>
>> Please call to reserve a spot, if you haven’t already done so.****
>>
>> Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> See you there and please let me know if you have any questions.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,****
>>
>> Mark****
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>> *From:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 9:12 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Cc:* '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
>> *Subject:* Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If Interested, Read
>> This!****
>>
>> Good morning, y'all!****
>>
>> I have had a good response for the wild caving trip at Longhorn Caverns
>> State Park, scheduled for 10 AM this coming Saturday. I suggest leaving TCR
>> at 9 AM.****
>>
>> I’ll have room for one.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> To recap:****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Longhorn Caverns State Park is a mere ~30 miles away.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Prices are:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> $17 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear. Regular rate is $25.
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> $27 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear and would like a
>> collectible t-shirt to commemorate your trip.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> If you need to use their equipment it's $10.00 extra. Includes helmet,
>> light, and knee and elbow pads.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> The trip is approximately 2 hours in length and will involve areas of the
>> cave that most of us have never been in.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> They have a very nice cafeteria at the park, where we’ll do lunch, and a
>> way cool Gift Shop. We’ll be back in plenty of time for cavorting, rest and
>> relaxation in the afternoon.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> This trip is suitable for kids, as well, so bring ‘em along!****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> There still is room for more folks to participate, but, …****
>>
>> *IMPORTANT!* Everyone needs to call the office and go ahead and make
>> their reservation so the Park will know how many guides are needed. You
>> will need to pay for it at that time. ****
>>
>> Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> This trip and TCR will be a great time and we’ll see you there!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Mark****
>>
>
>
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I'm scanning, mainly as a demonstration of what can be done, the
oldest Bexar Cavers for the TSS. From volumes 1 and 2, which were
titled Alamo Area Chapter Newsletter, the TSS only has copies (or
photocopies) of numbers 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, and 10 of volume 1 and numbers
2, 8, 9, 11, and 12 of volume 2. Those volumes were published in 1971
and 1972. The issues weren't really numbered. The numbers listed above
are inferred from the dates of the meeting notices. Presumably at
least some of the missing numbers exist. If anyone has copies, the TSS
would appreciate originals, photocopies, or decent scans. (Scans can
be sent directly to me.) The NSS library does not have the missing
issues.
Also, the TSS's copy of volume 6, number 6 (June 1976) is in very poor
condition, and only about half of the text is legible. It was spirit-
duplicated ("purple Ditto") and has spent some time wet. If anyone can
provide that issue, it would be appreciated.
--Bill Mixon
----------------------------------------
I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.—
Sir Arthur Eddington
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As usual, there will be recycling containers for aluminum cans and plastic
bottles. Two will be near the cook’s camp. I will need to get home by noon
Sunday (company coming) and so please do not wait too late Sunday morning to
get your recyclables together. ...... Sam
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Thanks, Sam. You're the best.
No bottles, right?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Sam Young <[email protected]> wrote:
> As usual, there will be recycling containers for aluminum cans and
> plastic bottles. Two will be near the cook’s camp. I will need to get home
> by noon Sunday (company coming) and so please do not wait too late Sunday
> morning to get your recyclables together. ...... Sam
>
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The cooks will collect other recyclables and they'll go in my recycle bin on
Monday. Thank goodness they're emptying it this Friday!
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:58 PM, "Linda Palit"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks, Sam. You're the best.
No bottles, right?
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Sam Young
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
As usual, there will be recycling containers for aluminum cans and plastic
bottles. Two will be near the cook’s camp. I will need to get home by noon
Sunday (company coming) and so please do not wait too late Sunday morning to
get your recyclables together. ...... Sam
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The TSS holdings of the Bexar Caver (apparently a distinct title from
the ongoing Bexar Facts) end in the middle of volume 7 (1977) with a
one-page number 7 (July). It appears that the title died at that
point. Does anybody know for sure? And the TSS lacks volume 7 number
3, so add that to what we need to complete the archival scanning of
Bexar Facts.
--Mixon
----------------------------------------
I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.—
Sir Arthur Eddington
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You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Sorry, I meant archival scanning of Bexar Caver, not Bexar Facts.
Incidentally, the TSS really needs people to undertake the project of
scanning all the various old Texas grotto newsletters. I have been
doing one small part of it as a demonstration project, but I have
plenty of things to do for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies,
including scanning some of its own older publications. If you think
you might be interested, contact somebody on the TSS board. I have a
long writeup on how I scan things to produce a PDF file that is as
legible as the original. I have used such PDFs to actually reprint a
number of books, some of which have photographs better in the reprint
than they were in the original. If you'd like to be sent a copy of the
writeup (about 4700 words), ask. -- Mixon
----------------------------------------
I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.—
Sir Arthur Eddington
----------------------------------------
You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: [email protected]
AMCS: [email protected] or [email protected]
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--- Begin Message ---
Bill,
You might ask first if the grotto newsletter editors (current and former) can
supply original PDFs of the newsletters, before scanning some of the more
recent copies. I suppose the TSS has all copies of the Maverick Bull (Butch
Fralia scanned a lot of those), but perhaps not for the DFW grotto's Oztotl
Caver.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> Sorry, I meant archival scanning of Bexar Caver, not Bexar Facts.
>
> Incidentally, the TSS really needs people to undertake the project of
> scanning all the various old Texas grotto newsletters. I have been doing one
> small part of it as a demonstration project, but I have plenty of things to
> do for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies, including scanning some of
> its own older publications. If you think you might be interested, contact
> somebody on the TSS board. I have a long writeup on how I scan things to
> produce a PDF file that is as legible as the original. I have used such PDFs
> to actually reprint a number of books, some of which have photographs better
> in the reprint than they were in the original. If you'd like to be sent a
> copy of the writeup (about 4700 words), ask. -- Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> I believe there are
> 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
> 468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
> 631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.—Sir
> Arthur Eddington
> ----------------------------------------
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> AMCS: [email protected] or [email protected]
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--- Begin Message ---
While you're enjoying TCR, take lots of photos suitable for posting on the
TSA website. I won't be there this year so will have to depend on others to
get the photos.
Thanks,
Butch Fralia
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
We'll miss you, Butch.
Sorry to hear you can't make it this year.
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Butch Fralia <[email protected]>wrote:
> While you’re enjoying TCR, take lots of photos suitable for posting on the
> TSA website. I won’t be there this year so will have to depend on others to
> get the photos.****
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,****
>
> Butch Fralia****
>
> ** **
>
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--- Begin Message ---
Cavers,
The Bexar Grotto is searching for several sets of lost survey instruments
(Suuntos or equivalent). They may have gone missing as long as 5 years ago
or more, so if it's possible that you borrowed a set from the grotto some
time in the past, please check to see if you may still inadvertently have
them. The Bexar Grotto name should be inscribed on the instrument. If you
know where these instruments are please reply.
Thank you,
Marvin Miller
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--- Begin Message ---
Only six spots remain for the morning tour.
If you're thinking about it, better call them fast!
Just sayin'...
Mark
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR
- Half Full, So Book Now!
I just talked to the kind folks down at Longhorn and the trip is now
half full.
The tour can accommodate 20, so, do the math.
This will be a fun trip with cavers you know and, hopefully, get along
with.
If you don't get along with them, the trip should really be interesting!
They can schedule a second group, but, the trip won't get underway until
~2 PM.
I wouldn't wait till Saturday to reserve your space. So call before
midnight tomorrow and grab your slot!
You must pay for the trip when you call, so have that plastic ready.
See you then!
Mark
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If
Interested, Read This! Time Change
The time that the park has requested we begin our trip has changed from
10 AM to 11 AM.
Please call to reserve a spot, if you haven't already done so.
Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.
See you there and please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Mark
_____________________________________________
From: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'
Subject: Longhorn Group Wild Cave Trip During TCR - If Interested, Read
This!
Good morning, y'all!
I have had a good response for the wild caving trip at Longhorn Caverns
State Park, scheduled for 10 AM this coming Saturday. I suggest leaving
TCR at 9 AM.
I'll have room for one.
To recap:
Longhorn Caverns State Park is a mere ~30 miles away.
Prices are:
$17 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear. Regular rate is
$25.
$27 plus tax per person, if you have your own gear and would like a
collectible t-shirt to commemorate your trip.
If you need to use their equipment it's $10.00 extra. Includes helmet,
light, and knee and elbow pads.
The trip is approximately 2 hours in length and will involve areas of
the cave that most of us have never been in.
They have a very nice cafeteria at the park, where we'll do lunch, and a
way cool Gift Shop. We'll be back in plenty of time for cavorting, rest
and relaxation in the afternoon.
This trip is suitable for kids, as well, so bring 'em along!
There still is room for more folks to participate, but, ...
IMPORTANT! Everyone needs to call the office and go ahead and make their
reservation so the Park will know how many guides are needed. You will
need to pay for it at that time.
Please call Pam Plant at (512) 756-4680.
This trip and TCR will be a great time and we'll see you there!
Mark
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