texascavers Digest 2 Aug 2010 23:47:27 -0000 Issue 1123
Topics (messages 15668 through 15671):
Location of Texas caving functions
15668 by: Carl Kunath
15669 by: caverarch.aol.com
Re: TPWD Executive Order re: WNS and cave access
15670 by: Diana Tomchick
Re: TCR sites
15671 by: Ron Ralph
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You people along the central I-35 corridor are spoiled, spoiled, spoiled! You
think little of driving 500 miles (or more!) to Mexico but you complain if you
must travel more than 50 miles to a Texas caver function. Those of us living
in the "sweet spot" between prime caving areas in Texas and New Mexico (and the
Metro cavers who have long rides almost every time) are used to a 200 mile
drive for a convention, project, BOG, TCR, or just a good party. It's the
price we pay for the other benefits we receive by living in "west" Texas.
I'm with Bill. Those of us on the "fringes" certainly don't expect the
functions to be held in a place convenient to us each time, but every once in a
great while it sure is nice to have a shorter trip. In recent memory, Ft,
McKavett was a real treat.
If Locklear can make it to Vermont, how can you miss anything in Texas?
Which location is most central to nearly all the Texas caver groups? Take a
look at this:
http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/100-250_miles_from_Burnet.jpg
===Carl Kunath
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From: Bill Bentley
To: Fritz Holt ; Texascavers Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
But it is okay for us poor saps that live out in the western half here to
have to have the time and expense to get there? Sounds a little m,essed up to
me... But...
With Texas being a big state presents its problems with logistics, I
understand that and usually it is some place in the middle but every once in a
great while it would be nice to a bit closer for us.... Not many of us go and
maybe that is why? I don't know... Not many caves close by either so we have to
travel...
Bill
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From: Fritz Holt
To: 'Bill Bentley' ; Texascavers Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
Nothing against the western reaches except the time and expense to get
there for us unfortunates in Houston, Dallas and points east.
Fritz
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From: Bill Bentley [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:36 PM
To: Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
What have you all got against the West? What is this not too far West
requirement? Texas is a big state from El Paso to Texarkana...
:)
Bill
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From: Stefan Creaser
To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; Sheryl Rieck
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
That's as maybe, but it seems to violate the "not too far west"
requirement.
From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:38 PM
To: [email protected]; Sheryl Rieck
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
Hey,
That's next door to my buddy's place. There are a few holes in the
hills too.
AGG
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
[email protected]
--- On Mon, 8/2/10, Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Sheryl Rieck <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
To: [email protected]
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 3:02 PM
Here you go!
http://www.landsoftexas.com/texas/index.cfm?detail=&inv_id=134562
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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:48 PM
To: Sheryl Rieck; Gill Edigar; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
And where is it? Do you have a link?
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From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:14 PM
To: 'Gill Edigar'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR sites
I found such a place. It is 339 acres for a cool
mil. Anybody?
Sheryl
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As Carl said
used to a 200 mile drive for a convention, project, BOG, TCR, or just a good
party
It wasn't quite 200 miles, but I happily did the drive from Houston to Deep
South Austin a couple of weeks ago for "just a good party." No regrets at all.
Roger Moore
GHG
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I find it truly fascinating and a telling comment on the people who
post on this listserve that there have been 20+ postings complaining
about the location of TCR (which is, after all, just a party, and
precious little if any caving ever happens at TCR), while not one
person has commented on this posting and the implications of WNS on
caving in Texas and the surrounding states.
Diana, truly tired of having to hit the delete button this afternoon.
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From: "Butch Fralia" <[email protected]>
Date: August 2, 2010 4:20:53 PM CDT
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] TPWD Executive Order re: WNS and cave access
This is being forwarded to the list from Logan McNatt who cannot
post from his work e-mail address….
Butch
This is a general policy statement that applies only to caves on
TPWD properties, e.g. state parks and wildlife management areas.
Decisions are being made on a case by case basis. So far, Gorman
Cave at Colorodo Bend SP is the only cave normally open to visitors
that has been closed. The policy was developed after much thought
and consultation with other agencies, including Bat Conservation
International. Logan
TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ORDER NO. 010-005
The Executive Director of the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department
orders the restrictions to public access to certain department lands
and facilities as provided herein.
Due to the detection of White Nose Syndrome (WNS) in bat populations
in nearby states, the Executive Director has determined that it is
necessary to authorize staff of the Texas Parks and Wildlife
Department (the department) to restrict public access, where
necessary, to caves or other natural features on state parks,
wildlife management areas, and any other lands under the management
of the department, in order to prevent the possible spread of WNS as
a result of human contact.
WNS is a fungal pathogen whose etiology, pathology, distribution,
and dispersal have not been well studied and are not well
understood. WNS is believed to disrupt the feeding and hibernation
cycles of affected individuals, leading to death in almost all
cases. WNS poses no threat to human beings. At the present time, WNS
is not known to have spread to Texas; however, since its discovery
in the northeastern United States in 2006, it has spread southward
and westward and now has been detected or is suspected to exist in
14 states and two Canadian provinces, including the states of
Missouri and Oklahoma. Although the mechanics of WNS transmission
are not definitively known, mammalogists have recommended the
closure of hibernacula (areas where bats hibernate) to human contact
in order to minimize the potential spread of WNS. WNS has been
detected in nine species of bats thus far (little brown bat, eastern
small-footed bat, northern long-eared bat, tri-colored bat, big
brown bat, Indiana bat, gray bat, cave myotis, and southeastern
myotis). Because several of the species of bats known to be
susceptible to WNS are found in Texas, the department believes it is
prudent to identify and close to public access those areas under the
control of the department where physical contact between humans and
bats or bat habitat may occur.
It is therefore ordered that department staff is authorized to
restrict public access, as necessary, to any feature or area under
department control in order to prevent the spread of WNS. Department
staff is also authorized to allow controlled access to caves and
other areas under conditions prescribed by the department, including
escorted visitation, limitations on activities and conduct, and
decontamination protocols.
The department will prominently post those areas that are closed to
public access, and will publish a list of the closed areas on the
department website.
This order is issued pursuant to §81.401 of the Texas Parks and
Wildlife Code, and 31 Tex. Admin. Code §59.132(a), §59.134(e),
§65.192(f), §65.204(d). This order is effective immediately.
Signed this the 29th day of July, 2010.
Carter Smith
Executive Director
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department
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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: [email protected]
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
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Roger,
An archeological survey of Skyline Ranch 1.5-miles upstream revealed a
shelter with looter holes and flood debris indicating periodic flooding,
although the elevation above the Devils was unclear. There are no surveys on
the 339 acre ranch and no sites recorded within a mile.
Ron
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR sites
I would take the place in a minute, but I wonder how often the river is in
high flow like that... Certainly not all the time.
Roger
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