The Comal Cad web site shows Stephany Clifton still owns 39.4 acres with a market value of $477,870. I have no idea what she's asking for it.
Kurt -----Original Message----- From: Travis Scott [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brehmer Cave The cave has been owned by Stephany Clifton for many years now. She has been either under pressure or interested in developing those parcels of land for residential development off and on for a long while now. TCMA and a few private cavers have shown interest in obtaining the land, and Ms. Clifton has shown interest in putting it in caver's hands, but the price is too steep and she hasn't been willing to donate or lower the price to protect the cave. We have gone through this cycle several times and it seems that the property hasn't sold (at least based on what I have heard). Access has been touchy due to the people that do live very nearby the cave and the attempts to develop the property. I haven't spoken with her for a while now and have no idea what the situation currently is, but it is most likely still "in attempted transition" or so. If you really want to visit the cave, I can contact her. It was you that got me into the cave in the first place. But I would suggest waiting until the bats are gone :-) Travis On 6/15/2010 11:42 PM, David wrote: > I am posting this so that I don't step on anybody's turf. > > I hope to soon post an update about the status of Brehmer > Cave. > > At the moment, I only know that Melitta Stahl's granddaughter > owns the 2 caves. I was told by the former manager of the ranch > today ( who I found on Facebook ), that the cave is closed > due to all the houses nearby. > > I think I know which granddaughter inherited the cave, but I sent > them both Facebook messages in hopes of a reply. > > Melitta Stahl passed away in April of 2008, and I think that was > mentioned then. But her daughter became the contact person, > in the late 80's. ( I haven't found her yet ) > > For those of you who have not been to these 2 caves. The smaller > of the 2, is a crawl in entrance full of harvestman, over lots of debris > ( dirt, rocks, sticks, guano, etc. ) Immediately you are in a small > room with enough room to take a group photo around some nice formations. > Then there is a short crawl to a smaller room that often had ringtail cats. > > The larger cave has a nice entrance that you can stoop walk through to a > good size room with a man-made skylight ( or possibly an enlarged sinkhole > entrance ). This was a guano mine, and I was told it had > historical importance. > The skylight is fenced off and lots of brush going around it. > > The back of the big room is, or was full of bats. Beyond the big > room, is a small > passage leading to a small room with some old grafitti. > There is a tiny lead in the cave, but you would have to be small and skinny to > push it. It is in the entrance going the opposite direction from > the rest of the > cave. > > I have never seen a map of Little Brehmer Cave, but the old map of Brehmer Cave > looked accurate enough to describe the passage that I went into a few times. > I seem to recall an old-timer telling me there was passage that was not on that > map. > > After doing all that and righting the above I found the following link > showing a > caving trip just 4 years ago. ( I don't remember the cave being that pretty ). > > http://www.oztotl.com/Pages/2006/Brehmers.html > > And it is listed as the 124th longest cave. > > Hopefully, to be continued. > > David Locklear > > > Ref: http://www.caves.org/section/asha/saltpeter-survey.pdf > > http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/longdeep/tsslongcaves.htm > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
