texascavers Digest 28 Mar 2010 15:56:33 -0000 Issue 1012
Topics (messages 14242 through 14254):
Driftwood and TSA
14242 by: Ron Rutherford
14243 by: Ron Rutherford
Re: WNS moves west
14244 by: Mark Minton
14247 by: Mark Minton
14248 by: Charles Goldsmith
14249 by: George Veni
Austin giant coffee pot needed
14245 by: Joe Ranzau
Re: Golondrinas update
14246 by: Dale Barnard
14253 by: Denise P
Bolonchen
14250 by: Mixon Bill
14251 by: Logan McNatt
Re: Bob Mitchell on Sotano de Huitzmolotitla 1958]
14252 by: Logan McNatt
Cave related job openings
14254 by: George Veni
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Is anyone from the Driftwood area going to the TSA Spring Convention?
I would like to send you with a few auction items.
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Ron Rutherford
Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
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Wes is going to meet me. Thanks.
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Ron Rutherford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is anyone from the Driftwood area going to the TSA Spring Convention?
> I would like to send you with a few auction items.
>
> --
> Ron Rutherford
> Microsoft SQL Server DBA/Developer
>
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In addition to the appearance of WNS in
central Kentucky, there have also been new
sightings in Ontario, Canada, which is well north
of previous known locations. WNS is definitely
spreading. There is a revised map showing these
new locations, but I can't send it to Texascavers
(395 K file). If anyone is interested, I can
send it to you privately. (The map on the NSS
WNS page <http://www.caves.org/WNS/> has not been updated yet.)
Mark Minton
Subject: WNS Map Update 03/25/10
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010
Hello All,
Unfortunately more updates
_Ontario_ John Dungavell with the Ministry of Natural Resources reports:
I wanted to let you know that we are confirming two additional sites
with White Nose Syndrome in Ontario.
1) An abandoned mine near Kirkland Lake, Ontario northeastern Ontario
near Quebec border. This is a fairly large jump northward from our
previous site.
2) A site near Flesherton, Ontario southwestern Ontario near Lake Huron.
>Timiskaming District and Grey County Ontario are added as Confirmed for WNS.
_Tennessee_-Richard Kirk reports:
Add Montgomery County, TN
>Montgomery Co., TN added as Confirmed for WNS.
/I had to modify the layout of the map. If anyone notices viewing
problems etc., please let me know./
Regretfully,
Cal Butchkoski
PA Game Commission
Please reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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At 04:13 PM 3/26/2010, Preston Forsythe wrote:
>What's this appearance in central KY??
Sorry, my error. I meant central Tennessee (Diana
Tomchick's message about Dunbar Cave State Park near Clarksville, TN.
Mark Minton
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From: "Mark Minton" <[email protected]>
To: "Texascavers" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: WNS moves west
In addition to the appearance of WNS in
central Kentucky, there have also been new
sightings in Ontario, Canada, which is well north
of previous known locations. WNS is definitely
spreading. There is a revised map showing these
new locations, but I can't send it to Texascavers
(395 K file). If anyone is interested, I can
send it to you privately. (The map on the NSS
WNS page <http://www.caves.org/WNS/> has not been updated yet.)
Mark Minton
Please reply to [email protected]
Permanent email address is [email protected]
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Here's the map that Mark referenced:
http://texascavers.com/pics/WNS_Map_03-25-10_CB_DS.jpg
Unfortunately Preston, its really close to Kentucky :(
Charles
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Mark Minton <[email protected]> wrote:
> In addition to the appearance of WNS in central Tennessee, there have
> also been new sightings in Ontario, Canada, which is well north of previous
> known locations. WNS is definitely spreading. There is a revised map
> showing these new locations, but I can't send it to Texascavers (395 K
> file). If anyone is interested, I can send it to you privately. (The map
> on the NSS WNS page <http://www.caves.org/WNS/> has not been updated yet.)
>
> Mark Minton
>
>> Subject: WNS Map Update 03/25/10
>> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Unfortunately more updates
>>
>> _Ontario_ John Dungavell with the Ministry of Natural Resources reports:
>>
>> I wanted to let you know that we are confirming two additional sites
>> with White Nose Syndrome in Ontario.
>>
>> 1) An abandoned mine near Kirkland Lake, Ontario northeastern Ontario
>> near Quebec border. This is a fairly large jump northward from our
>> previous site.
>>
>> 2) A site near Flesherton, Ontario southwestern Ontario near Lake Huron.
>>
>> >Timiskaming District and Grey County Ontario are added as Confirmed for
>> > WNS.
>>
>> _Tennessee_-Richard Kirk reports:
>>
>> Add Montgomery County, TN
>>
>> >Montgomery Co., TN added as Confirmed for WNS.
>>
>> /I had to modify the layout of the map. If anyone notices viewing
>> problems etc., please let me know./
>>
>> Regretfully,
>>
>> Cal Butchkoski
>>
>> PA Game Commission
>
> Please reply to [email protected]
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One week ago I got word from US Fish and Wildlife that WNS was also
confirmed in a Kentucky cave in the Land Between the Lakes region. I don't
know the name of the cave or any other details.
George
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From: Mark Minton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:52 PM
To: Texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: WNS moves west
At 04:13 PM 3/26/2010, Preston Forsythe wrote:
>What's this appearance in central KY??
Sorry, my error. I meant central Tennessee (Diana
Tomchick's message about Dunbar Cave State Park near Clarksville, TN.
Mark Minton
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Hey all -
My two big coffee pots were borrowed and I don't have em.
Anyone in Austin have a 40-100 cup machine? I hear Rune might but no
one was home when I stopped by.
Call me if you do
210-289-6839
Thanks!
Joe
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I was down there last week. I ignored the kids who clearly wished to sell us on
car watching or guiding or something. The upper entrance to the cave seemed
pretty simple to me. No one mentioned charging for pictures, and everyone was
friendly. It's a little awkward having to enter the cave from above, but I
guess it makes some sense that the village that contains the cave also contains
the entrance (not sure that's exactly what's going on).
Having to be put on a leashed to peek over the edge seemed a bit strange,
though some non-cavers in the group appreciated the security it provided. I
found it to be inconvenient because only one or two people could peek down at a
time. And the guy who held your leash said at the end that there is no charge
for security steps, which is code for "tips accepted." So we tipped him. The
cave still very much pleases, and the platforms are well-away from the pit.
We also visited Micos, Tamul, Tambaque, Cueva Linda, Las Pozas, Xilitla, Tamtoc
(newly opened ruins--thanks for the idea, Walt), and La Pesca. While there was
plenty of new development around most of these since the last time I was there,
all seem to be intact and valued by the developers.
Seeing change is hard, I know, but I felt pretty okay with the kinds of changes
I saw at these tourist sites. Underneath the superficial developments, it's the
same old Huasteca.
Dale
> From: Greg Passmore <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Golondrinas update
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:40 PM
> Went to Golondrinas a couple times
> this week and there is a lot of new commercial
> activity. Three local communities are in a dispute
> about who controls access to the cave. The older,
> lower entrance is now closed and the upper entrance is very
> commercial (think US border crossing). Fees are
> charged for looking in the pit, rappelling, etc. We
> were told our photography would cost us $500 US per person.
> We have visited many caves in the Xilitla area over the last
> two weeks and have had to pay fees for parking, rappelling
> and looking. Nothing necessarily bad about financially
> helping the locals, but all the caution tape, wooden
> platforms and scores of kids asking for money to watch your
> car have dramatically changed the personality of the local
> experience. Just a FYI for anyone coming down here.
>
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Yes, and developed and touristy meant generally a $2 per person charge or less.
Very inexpensive and still very laid back compared to the US.
-Denise
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:23:18 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Golondrinas update
>
> I was down there last week. I ignored the kids who clearly wished to sell us
> on car watching or guiding or something. The upper entrance to the cave
> seemed pretty simple to me. No one mentioned charging for pictures, and
> everyone was friendly. It's a little awkward having to enter the cave from
> above, but I guess it makes some sense that the village that contains the
> cave also contains the entrance (not sure that's exactly what's going on).
>
> Having to be put on a leashed to peek over the edge seemed a bit strange,
> though some non-cavers in the group appreciated the security it provided. I
> found it to be inconvenient because only one or two people could peek down at
> a time. And the guy who held your leash said at the end that there is no
> charge for security steps, which is code for "tips accepted." So we tipped
> him. The cave still very much pleases, and the platforms are well-away from
> the pit.
>
> We also visited Micos, Tamul, Tambaque, Cueva Linda, Las Pozas, Xilitla,
> Tamtoc (newly opened ruins--thanks for the idea, Walt), and La Pesca. While
> there was plenty of new development around most of these since the last time
> I was there, all seem to be intact and valued by the developers.
>
> Seeing change is hard, I know, but I felt pretty okay with the kinds of
> changes I saw at these tourist sites. Underneath the superficial
> developments, it's the same old Huasteca.
>
> Dale
>
> > From: Greg Passmore <[email protected]>
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Golondrinas update
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:40 PM
> > Went to Golondrinas a couple times
> > this week and there is a lot of new commercial
> > activity. Three local communities are in a dispute
> > about who controls access to the cave. The older,
> > lower entrance is now closed and the upper entrance is very
> > commercial (think US border crossing). Fees are
> > charged for looking in the pit, rappelling, etc. We
> > were told our photography would cost us $500 US per person.
> > We have visited many caves in the Xilitla area over the last
> > two weeks and have had to pay fees for parking, rappelling
> > and looking. Nothing necessarily bad about financially
> > helping the locals, but all the caution tape, wooden
> > platforms and scores of kids asking for money to watch your
> > car have dramatically changed the personality of the local
> > experience. Just a FYI for anyone coming down here.
> >
> >
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That cave Bolonchen written about by Stephens in "Incidents in Travel
in Yucatan," which contained the famous drawing by Catherwood, is also
called La Gruta de Xtacumbilxunaan. (Don't ask me to pronounce that.)
It's in Campeche. -- Mixon
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Bill (aka Keeper of the Maya Calendar),
It's easy. It's pronounced just like it's spelled.
Logan
Mixon Bill wrote:
That cave Bolonchen written about by Stephens in "Incidents in Travel
in Yucatan," which contained the famous drawing by Catherwood, is also
called La Gruta de Xtacumbilxunaan. (Don't ask me to pronounce that.)
It's in Campeche. -- Mixon
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I am forwarding this message from Bill Elliott with an attached article
written by Robert Mitchell. Converting from pdf. to doc resulted in the
omission of accents and probably a few typos I didn't catch. But the
article will give you a hint of who Dr. Mitchell was. At 105 m, the
entrance drop of Huitzmolotitla is currently tied with 12 other pits as
the 173rd deepest pit known in Mexico, according to Mark Minton's list
of deep pits of Mexico (July 2009) on the AMCS webpage. But in 1960, it
was one of the deepest.
Logan
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5:45 pm Friday March 26, 2010
Bill Elliott wrote
Here is an amazing story that Bob Mitchell wrote for the 10^th
Anniversary Issue of the Association for Mexican Cave Studies in 1973.
James Reddell reminded me about this account, which is the scariest,
funniest story of an early exploration of a major pit cave in Mexico. I
looked down this pit in 1969, and it is awesome.
I scanned the article and it is attached as a pdf. I hope you enjoy
reading it and talking about it at the Bob Mitchell celebration
tomorrow. I am so sorry I cannot be there in body, but I will be
thinking about you all.
Several friends, including Masharau Kawakatsu, Oscar Francke, James
Reddell, and Tom Poulson, have sent me papers, photos, and stories about
Bob. Please feel free to email me material for the coming memorial pages
on Mitchell at the Biospeleology website:/
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/biospeleology/ /
/ /
Thanks,
Bill
William R. Elliott, PhD
Cave Biologist/Resource Scientist
Missouri Department of Conservation
Cave Lab, Runge Conservation Nature Center
P.O. Box 180
Jefferson City, MO 65102-0180
/[email protected]/
573-522-4115 ext 3194
/ /
Sotano de Huitzmolotitla.doc
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The Green Space Alliance has announced the following two job positions. They
are not strictly cave related, but Edwards Aquifer protection in the San
Antonio area is part of what they do. Below is the announcement I received.
I don't know anything more about this than what is listed on the website.
George
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Land Conservation Manager. Green Spaces is looking for a full-time Land
Conservation Manager. This position is available immediately. Read the job
description here http://greenspacesalliance.org/r/5566/2640/0
Volunteers Coordinator. Love working with people? Green Spaces is looking
for a part-time Volunteers Coordinator
http://greenspacesalliance.org/r/5569/2640/0
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