texascavers Digest 1 Sep 2009 17:33:33 -0000 Issue 843
Topics (messages 11966 through 11974):
Re: Big-Brother related
11966 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
11967 by: Diana Tomchick
11969 by: Louise Power
11971 by: Louise Power
11972 by: Linda Palit
11973 by: Quinta Wilkinson
11974 by: Cynthia Lee
Big Brother
11968 by: Mixon Bill
11970 by: Linda Palit
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If you've ever been a government worker, you've probably been fingerprinted. School teachers tend to be employed by a government. Anyway, we have to keep those paedophiles away from the chirren.
Foil hat- I hear ya Joe!
I'm currently working on building a compliant Faraday Cage to keep out
Big Brother (who I'll from here on out I'll refer to as "Big Stepdad")
I'm gonna call it the "Faraday Freedom Frock" (working title).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
If you don't mind eliminating any way for someone to call you, I
believe there are cases comercially available to put your phone in to
block any signals in or out, but then why carry phone? Personally,
I'm still a big fan of the pager. There are also sleaves available
for blocking RFID signals- passive and active (like the ones in the
new passports).
As for physically taking data storage devices and searching them: what
a crock! If I really want to hide something, I'll have no problem
disguising or hiding 2 gigs the size of my thumbnail. What a waste of
government resources (surprise!).
As for the teachers: My wife is one of those teachers who "meekly
gave up her right to privacy". But of course, after 4 years of school
to teach they spring that rule on you, and there are plenty of people
willing to be fingerprinted to get the job- what do you do? If she
kept her "privacy" she'd have to have 3 roomates to pay the bills.
OR, give up her privacy so she could have enough money to have her own
place (at the time). It's just like the social security number: "not
to be used as identification". Try to get credit without one!
I disagree with it too, but not a lot of options...
-B
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:43 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> The cell phone tracking is something I had read about but never gave a ton
> of thought to until I bought the new iphone. On my first generation iphone
> the tracking feature could put me in a 10 or 20 block area. A little close
> for comfort but not awful. My new iphone without using gps often shows my
> precise location to within 10-30 feet. It does this by triangulating my
> location from the cell towers but then goes a step further using the wifi
> networks nearby to greatly improve the accuracy. Using the built in
> accelerometer the phone even knows what direction I am facing...
>
> I'm not entirely sure this makes me comfortable but then again I continue to
> use it. I suppose the moral of the story is that if you need privacy don't
> buy any portable electronic device.
>
> Heck, my cat has her own RFID chip. I used to think that using cash instead
> of cards also helps but now I am hearing that the strips in new money can be
> picked up by sensors at customs. I've not yet completely substantiated this
> one yet...
>
> Time to get out my foil hat!
>
> Joe
>
> On Sep 1, 2009 8:59am, Linda Palit <[email protected]> wrote:
>> The local grocery is about to require a fingerprint with check and
>>
>> identification, if you want to use a check. It has been tested in Austin,
>>
>> etc, and seems to have worked out. Babies and children are sometimes
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>> fingerprinted to use as comparison in the case of crimes.
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>> Anonymity is becoming rare and more difficult, and fingerprinting is
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>> associated with things much different than it once was.
>>
>> I put this in a different category than invading my personal laptop or
>>
>> tapping my phone, but in a digital age, perhaps it all runs together.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Katy Roodenko [mailto:[email protected]]
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:50 AM
>>
>> To: Cavers Texas
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
>>
>>
>>
>> Hm,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we (the foreigners who for whatever reason come to visit USA) encrypt
>>
>> our fingerprints? I have never been to any as humiliating process as this
>>
>> one: being taken my fingerprints at the US border.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it is really not the best way to make friends. I know many of my
>>
>> friends in Europe who would not come to USA precisely for this reason.
>>
>>
>>
>> For whatever reasons, very recently, Texas Teachers were ordered to give
>>
>> their fingerprints as well. I expected riots and protests - but they went
>>
>> silently to gave up all their privacy as easily as that! What a KGB
>> country
>>
>> of obedient society who shouts loudly on privacy but really forgot what
>>
>> "privacy" really means!
>>
>>
>>
>> Really, if I had a kid, I would not like it to be educated by these
>>
>> teachers.
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>>
>> Katy
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>> --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Don Cooper [email protected]> wrote:
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>> > From: Don Cooper [email protected]>
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>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
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>> > To: "Mixon Bill" [email protected]>
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>> > Cc: "Cavers Texas" [email protected]>
>>
>> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:10 AM
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>> > I figure if you re-constitute zeros and ones
>>
>> > on my computer with enough permutations, you can make up
>>
>> > just about anything including 9/11 plans and blueprints for
>>
>> > thermonuke devices.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am all FOR encryption. If its MY bizness, then it
>>
>> > should STAY my business. As far as probing things I've
>>
>> > thought about and not done - well that is MINE ALONE. Stay
>>
>> > out of my HEAD - FEDS!
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>> > And as far as tracking my relative position between cell
>>
>> > phone towers - How else can I receive a phone call when
>>
>> > I'm out and about? But yeah - thanks for reminding me,
>>
>> > Bill - I should always remember to always turn it off when
>>
>> > I'm out there committing crimes!
>>
>> >
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>>
>> > -WaV
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>> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM,
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>> > Mixon Bill [email protected]>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
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>>
>> > Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect
>>
>> > vessels or vehicles applies only to those that have been
>>
>> > outside the United States?
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>>
>> > Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months
>>
>> > ago. Some guy came into the US from Canada and somehow the
>>
>> > customs people learned that there was kiddy porn on his
>>
>> > laptop computer and arrested him. However, the files were
>>
>> > encrypted, and even the feds were unable to break the
>>
>> > encryption and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent
>>
>> > could not be required to give up the key to the code. (I
>>
>> > suspect this might have been a deliberate test case, with
>>
>> > the offending image deliberately out where the customs
>>
>> > inspector would see it.)
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt
>>
>> > lots of perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't
>>
>> > use some wimpy encryption facility that comes with your
>>
>> > operating system; it is probably not NSA-proof. (Actually,
>>
>> > of course, unless you deliberately do something to make them
>>
>> > suspicious--not recommended--, it is extremely unlikely that
>>
>> > they'll ever check.) It would be really nice if it was
>>
>> > easy and convenient to encrypt everything, including all
>>
>> > voice communications. But almost nobody really cares about
>>
>> > his privacy. Witness all those people who travel around with
>>
>> > their cell phones turned on, making it possible to track
>>
>> > them in real time.
>>
>> >
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>> >
>>
>> > --Mixon
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Anyone seen the excellent German film, "The Lives of Others?" It's
about the Stasi (Secret Police) in Germany, and how the eavesdropping
that occurred in Eastern Germany on friends and neighbors so often
destroyed lives. The big take-home message for me was that by and
large most of the information collected was terribly mundane and
trivial. Reminded me a lot of Twitter, Facebook and even this mailing
list. If you wanted to be anonymous and have your privacy, you
wouldn't sign up or use those services.
I had to laugh when my mother (who lives in the Seattle area, and I
only see about once per year) informed me that she didn't use the
grocery store savings cards, because "do you know that they collect
information on what you buy?" I said, "heck yeah, and I hope that
means that they stock more of the things I like in this store, and
give me better prices on those goods" because that is what they
(allegedly) do with that information. She just stared at me like I was
a dupe.
Diana
On Sep 1, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Katy Roodenko wrote:
Hm,
Can we (the foreigners who for whatever reason come to visit USA)
encrypt our fingerprints? I have never been to any as humiliating
process as this one: being taken my fingerprints at the US border.
I guess it is really not the best way to make friends. I know many
of my friends in Europe who would not come to USA precisely for this
reason.
For whatever reasons, very recently, Texas Teachers were ordered to
give their fingerprints as well. I expected riots and protests - but
they went silently to gave up all their privacy as easily as that!
What a KGB country of obedient society who shouts loudly on privacy
but really forgot what "privacy" really means!
Really, if I had a kid, I would not like it to be educated by these
teachers.
Katy
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As I was just saying to Bill Mixon, we used to get our cars/trucks inspected
all the time on our way back to CV from Cd Acuna. And we were about 5 miles
inside the border at the time. Mostly they'd just flash their flashlights on
the vehicle occupants and ask if we were all U.S. citizens. Of course, that was
in a kinder, gentler era.
Louise
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:21:35 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
Was crossing in Charlie’s bus one time, and they decided to put it through the
same line as the semi’s for full x-ray. I went to the agent and said something
to the effect – Do you think we would take a bright orange school bus full of
cavers and try to smuggle something? Do we really look that stupid?
For whatever reason, he moved the bus to the front of the semi line – we had
already been there forever.
That was one of the few good experiences I have had at the US border. The ugly
stories are more frequent, but not as amusing.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Herman Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
Upon returning to the United States the DHS has a huge amount of authority to
search anything and everything in your pocession, literally anything they want
to look at is open game.
Herman is exactly right. ANY and every time you cross a border--ANY border--you
essentially and voluntarily surrender any and all personal rights you may
otherwise have. They can do anything to you and your stuff that they want and
for an inconvenient amount of time--in the name of whatever completely
off-the-wall and baseless Homeland Security law that the running-scared
Congress may have passed or DHS may have promulgated and using any kind of
profiling they adamantly deny. Without rules and regulations they wouldn't have
a job. They don't have to make sense or have probable cause; the inspector
could just be wanting to get a few jollies at your expense--and it would be
perfectly legal. They can detain you. You pretty much have no civil rights and
no defenses at that point--consider that a given and be satisfied with it.
But the important thing to remember is that you have volunteered to this
scrutiny by voluntarily crossing the border. If you don't like that situation
don't cross any borders.
--Ediger
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I'm a federal employee. My prints have been on file for years. I do not find it
humiliating or feel that my privacy has been invaded. Why were you so
humiliated? Our country has suffered some terrible blows in recent years from
people disguised as friends. I'm not sure where you're from, but how does your
country verify the identification of foreign nationals?
Louise
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:49:50 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
>
> Hm,
>
> Can we (the foreigners who for whatever reason come to visit USA) encrypt our
> fingerprints? I have never been to any as humiliating process as this one:
> being taken my fingerprints at the US border.
>
> I guess it is really not the best way to make friends. I know many of my
> friends in Europe who would not come to USA precisely for this reason.
>
> For whatever reasons, very recently, Texas Teachers were ordered to give
> their fingerprints as well. I expected riots and protests - but they went
> silently to gave up all their privacy as easily as that! What a KGB country
> of obedient society who shouts loudly on privacy but really forgot what
> "privacy" really means!
>
> Really, if I had a kid, I would not like it to be educated by these teachers.
>
> Katy
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From: Don Cooper <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
> > To: "Mixon Bill" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:10 AM
> > I figure if you re-constitute zeros and ones
> > on my computer with enough permutations, you can make up
> > just about anything including 9/11 plans and blueprints for
> > thermonuke devices.
> >
> > I am all FOR encryption. If its MY bizness, then it
> > should STAY my business. As far as probing things I've
> > thought about and not done - well that is MINE ALONE. Stay
> > out of my HEAD - FEDS!
> >
> >
> > And as far as tracking my relative position between cell
> > phone towers - How else can I receive a phone call when
> > I'm out and about? But yeah - thanks for reminding me,
> > Bill - I should always remember to always turn it off when
> > I'm out there committing crimes!
> >
> >
> > -WaV
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM,
> > Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect
> > vessels or vehicles applies only to those that have been
> > outside the United States?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months
> > ago. Some guy came into the US from Canada and somehow the
> > customs people learned that there was kiddy porn on his
> > laptop computer and arrested him. However, the files were
> > encrypted, and even the feds were unable to break the
> > encryption and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent
> > could not be required to give up the key to the code. (I
> > suspect this might have been a deliberate test case, with
> > the offending image deliberately out where the customs
> > inspector would see it.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt
> > lots of perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't
> > use some wimpy encryption facility that comes with your
> > operating system; it is probably not NSA-proof. (Actually,
> > of course, unless you deliberately do something to make them
> > suspicious--not recommended--, it is extremely unlikely that
> > they'll ever check.) It would be really nice if it was
> > easy and convenient to encrypt everything, including all
> > voice communications. But almost nobody really cares about
> > his privacy. Witness all those people who travel around with
> > their cell phones turned on, making it possible to track
> > them in real time.
> >
> >
> > --Mixon
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > A fearless man cannot be brave.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
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Traditionally being fingerprinted was associated with being a criminal.
This view is sure to change as it becomes so common.
Probably this is becoming way off topic, and I am not meeting the word
limits, so enough of this for me.
From: Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:23 PM
To: [email protected]; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
I'm a federal employee. My prints have been on file for years. I do not find
it humiliating or feel that my privacy has been invaded. Why were you so
humiliated? Our country has suffered some terrible blows in recent years
from people disguised as friends. I'm not sure where you're from, but how
does your country verify the identification of foreign nationals?
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Louise
> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:49:50 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
>
> Hm,
>
> Can we (the foreigners who for whatever reason come to visit USA) encrypt
our fingerprints? I have never been to any as humiliating process as this
one: being taken my fingerprints at the US border.
>
> I guess it is really not the best way to make friends. I know many of my
friends in Europe who would not come to USA precisely for this reason.
>
> For whatever reasons, very recently, Texas Teachers were ordered to give
their fingerprints as well. I expected riots and protests - but they went
silently to gave up all their privacy as easily as that! What a KGB country
of obedient society who shouts loudly on privacy but really forgot what
"privacy" really means!
>
> Really, if I had a kid, I would not like it to be educated by these
teachers.
>
> Katy
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From: Don Cooper <[email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
> > To: "Mixon Bill" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:10 AM
> > I figure if you re-constitute zeros and ones
> > on my computer with enough permutations, you can make up
> > just about anything including 9/11 plans and blueprints for
> > thermonuke devices.
> >
> > I am all FOR encryption. If its MY bizness, then it
> > should STAY my business. As far as probing things I've
> > thought about and not done - well that is MINE ALONE. Stay
> > out of my HEAD - FEDS!
> >
> >
> > And as far as tracking my relative position between cell
> > phone towers - How else can I receive a phone call when
> > I'm out and about? But yeah - thanks for reminding me,
> > Bill - I should always remember to always turn it off when
> > I'm out there committing crimes!
> >
> >
> > -WaV
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM,
> > Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect
> > vessels or vehicles applies only to those that have been
> > outside the United States?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months
> > ago. Some guy came into the US from Canada and somehow the
> > customs people learned that there was kiddy porn on his
> > laptop computer and arrested him. However, the files were
> > encrypted, and even the feds were unable to break the
> > encryption and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent
> > could not be required to give up the key to the code. (I
> > suspect this might have been a deliberate test case, with
> > the offending image deliberately out where the customs
> > inspector would see it.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt
> > lots of perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't
> > use some wimpy encryption facility that comes with your
> > operating system; it is probably not NSA-proof. (Actually,
> > of course, unless you deliberately do something to make them
> > suspicious--not recommended--, it is extremely unlikely that
> > they'll ever check.) It would be really nice if it was
> > easy and convenient to encrypt everything, including all
> > voice communications. But almost nobody really cares about
> > his privacy. Witness all those people who travel around with
> > their cell phones turned on, making it possible to track
> > them in real time.
> >
> >
> > --Mixon
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > A fearless man cannot be brave.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
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I had to do much more that fingerprints when my daughter married a German
national in the GAF. Where I was born what I belonged to.
Names of my grandparents and much more.
I was certainly given the once over in Germany when I went there and learned to
take a carry on with one change of clothes. I used the laundry a lot and bought
another set or so while I was there to visit my grandchildren who have dual
pasports.
Quinta
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I was finger printed in 1975 when I went to work for UPS as a temp.
Cindy
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Linda Palit <[email protected]> wrote:
> Traditionally being fingerprinted was associated with being a criminal.
>
> This view is sure to change as it becomes so common.
>
>
>
> Probably this is becoming way off topic, and I am not meeting the word
> limits, so enough of this for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Louise Power [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:23 PM
> *To:* [email protected]; Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
>
>
>
> I'm a federal employee. My prints have been on file for years. I do not
> find it humiliating or feel that my privacy has been invaded. Why were you
> so humiliated? Our country has suffered some terrible blows in recent years
> from people disguised as friends. I'm not sure where you're from, but how
> does your country verify the identification of foreign nationals?
>
> Louise
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 06:49:50 -0700
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
> >
> > Hm,
> >
> > Can we (the foreigners who for whatever reason come to visit USA) encrypt
> our fingerprints? I have never been to any as humiliating process as this
> one: being taken my fingerprints at the US border.
> >
> > I guess it is really not the best way to make friends. I know many of my
> friends in Europe who would not come to USA precisely for this reason.
> >
> > For whatever reasons, very recently, Texas Teachers were ordered to give
> their fingerprints as well. I expected riots and protests - but they went
> silently to gave up all their privacy as easily as that! What a KGB country
> of obedient society who shouts loudly on privacy but really forgot what
> "privacy" really means!
> >
> > Really, if I had a kid, I would not like it to be educated by these
> teachers.
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Don Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Don Cooper <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Big-Brother related
> > > To: "Mixon Bill" <[email protected]>
> > > Cc: "Cavers Texas" <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 5:10 AM
> > > I figure if you re-constitute zeros and ones
> > > on my computer with enough permutations, you can make up
> > > just about anything including 9/11 plans and blueprints for
> > > thermonuke devices.
> > >
> > > I am all FOR encryption. If its MY bizness, then it
> > > should STAY my business. As far as probing things I've
> > > thought about and not done - well that is MINE ALONE. Stay
> > > out of my HEAD - FEDS!
> > >
> > >
> > > And as far as tracking my relative position between cell
> > > phone towers - How else can I receive a phone call when
> > > I'm out and about? But yeah - thanks for reminding me,
> > > Bill - I should always remember to always turn it off when
> > > I'm out there committing crimes!
> > >
> > >
> > > -WaV
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 PM,
> > > Mixon Bill <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Surely the authority of the customs people to inspect
> > > vessels or vehicles applies only to those that have been
> > > outside the United States?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, there was an amusing thing in the news a few months
> > > ago. Some guy came into the US from Canada and somehow the
> > > customs people learned that there was kiddy porn on his
> > > laptop computer and arrested him. However, the files were
> > > encrypted, and even the feds were unable to break the
> > > encryption and prove it. Courts ruled that the defendent
> > > could not be required to give up the key to the code. (I
> > > suspect this might have been a deliberate test case, with
> > > the offending image deliberately out where the customs
> > > inspector would see it.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Drive them crazy. Get PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) and encrypt
> > > lots of perfectly innocent stuff on your computer. Don't
> > > use some wimpy encryption facility that comes with your
> > > operating system; it is probably not NSA-proof. (Actually,
> > > of course, unless you deliberately do something to make them
> > > suspicious--not recommended--, it is extremely unlikely that
> > > they'll ever check.) It would be really nice if it was
> > > easy and convenient to encrypt everything, including all
> > > voice communications. But almost nobody really cares about
> > > his privacy. Witness all those people who travel around with
> > > their cell phones turned on, making it possible to track
> > > them in real time.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Mixon
> > >
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Nobody has mentioned that we've had to give a thumbprint to get a
Texas driver's licence for at least ten years now. What the hell does
a thumbprint have to do with a driver's license, you may well ask.
Well, my understanding it that it was a federal mandate having
something to do with tracking down deadbeat dads who haven't been
paying child support. The magnetic strip on my current driver's
license probably won't work, because I've made a point of trying to
erase it, without any way to tell for sure that I have. Not that it
can be read remotely, but if anybody ever wants to scan it, I probably
won't be in a very cooperative mood. Nobody ever scanned the last one
I had.
Of course, with the new driver's licenses we're supposed to be getting
soon, there will be a lot more irrelevant stuff on them. Probably
there will be some easy trick to disable the RFI chip in the new
licenses--something more subtle than drilling a hole through it.
Of course, the more paranoid among us will never, ever use a tollway
pass....-- Mixon
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Microwave disables the strip? Or was it the freezer?
Passports have them too, at least the new ones do.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mixon Bill [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:07 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Big Brother
Nobody has mentioned that we've had to give a thumbprint to get a
Texas driver's licence for at least ten years now. What the hell does
a thumbprint have to do with a driver's license, you may well ask.
Well, my understanding it that it was a federal mandate having
something to do with tracking down deadbeat dads who haven't been
paying child support. The magnetic strip on my current driver's
license probably won't work, because I've made a point of trying to
erase it, without any way to tell for sure that I have. Not that it
can be read remotely, but if anybody ever wants to scan it, I probably
won't be in a very cooperative mood. Nobody ever scanned the last one
I had.
Of course, with the new driver's licenses we're supposed to be getting
soon, there will be a lot more irrelevant stuff on them. Probably
there will be some easy trick to disable the RFI chip in the new
licenses--something more subtle than drilling a hole through it.
Of course, the more paranoid among us will never, ever use a tollway
pass....-- Mixon
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A fearless man cannot be brave.
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