texascavers Digest 2 Sep 2009 22:29:17 -0000 Issue 846
Topics (messages 12000 through 12007):
Re: Paradise Canyon
12000 by: Robert B
12006 by: Sheryl Rieck
Re: Totally non caving related
12001 by: Geary Schindel
12002 by: germanyj.aol.com
12003 by: Matt Turner
12004 by: Don Arburn
12005 by: germanyj.aol.com
12007 by: Matt Turner
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The Medina could use a little flooding right now.
I do remember the '97 flood. I have a riverfront place a little above the
lake. My family and I were at the waters edge very early that morning.
Hoping that the rain would increase the flow rate for kayaking. It did!!
I crossed the river that morning without getting my knees wet. With only our
toes in the water we would take a step back every minute or so to get back
on dry ground. By 3PM the river has risen 25'. At around midnight some
private dams along Privilege creek gave way. In the dark, my brother & I
were at the waters edge (trees and mobile home parts had been floating by
all day making a lot of noise), our dogs ran up the hill at some different
sound upstream. Well, we followed them pretty quick, and from then on
stopped calling them 'Dumb Dogs'.
It must be the drought, here I am hoping for another flood.
It's feast or famine regarding moving water.
rob
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> NOAA sez:
>
>
> NWS Austin/San Antonio, Texas
>
> *Introduction*
>
> During the early morning hours of June 21, 1997 through the evening of June
> 22, 1997, a subtropical storm system produced excessive rain over parts of
> south central and central Texas, particularly over the Hill Country. The
> heaviest rain fell over Bandera and Kendall Counties, where storm total
> amounts ranged from 15 to near 20 in, with the highest total of 19.72 in in
> eastern Bandera County. A few estimates exceeded 20 in, where gauges
> overflowed, and exact measurements were unknown. Another concentrated area
> of 12 to 18 in of rain fell over the northern Hill Country in portions of
> Mason, Kimble and Gillespie Counties. The result of the excessive rain was
> record flooding along stretches of the Llano River in Llano County. Major
> river flooding also occurred on the Frio, Nueces, Sabinal, Guadalupe,
> Lavaca, and Navidad rivers.
> Heavy rain is not uncommon for central or south central Texas. It is part
> of the general climate of the area, where rainfall amounts vary considerably
> from east to west and year to year. Some notable heavy rains the area has
> experienced include an unofficial report of *48 in over a period of about
> 52 hr. in early August, 1978*, resulting from the remnants of tropical
> storm Amelia and an upper-level disturbance. This rain fell near the town of
> Bluff, located northwest of San Antonio in the Texas Hill Country. A
> short-term heavy rainfall rate of 21.87 in in 2 hr, 45 min occurred in
> Medina County, just north of D'Hanis, in late May, 1935. On average, south
> Texas can expect on 20 in rainfall event and several 10 to 20 in events per
> year (Grice and Maddox )
>
> The 1978 event washed the Chevy dealership and the beer distributor in
> Bandera into Medina Lake. My old man found six-packs floating about 6" under
> the surface of the lake and he filled his fridge with them. He waited a
> month for the cerveza to calm down and for awhile he had a mess of free
> beer.
>
>
>
> T
>
>
>
> Sep 2, 2009 11:31:10 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> John,
>
> That depends upon how much. October 1998 and July 2002, the Medina River
> got a little deep in places. If I remember correctly, the October 98 event
> was during the TCR which was held at Chalk Bluff. I wasn't in Texas yet but
> have heard about the TCR when the river came up quite a bit. I have folks
> that tell me the October 98 flood event was very localized and didn't impact
> the western Edwards Counties. I think some of the cavers would beg to
> differ.
>
> Geary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:13 AM
> Cc: <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon
>
> It should be a great weekend. And even if it rains I don’t think anyone
> would complain.
>
>
> Just don't try to SCAN anyone.....or you will get lots of complaints!
>
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I remember these floods very well. My aunt, uncle & cousins lived in and
around Bandera. Some still do. It was a mess.
Sheryl
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: RE: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon
NOAA sez:
NWS Austin/San Antonio, Texas
Introduction
During the early morning hours of June 21, 1997 through the evening of June 22,
1997, a subtropical storm system produced excessive rain over parts of south
central and central Texas, particularly over the Hill Country. The heaviest
rain fell over Bandera and Kendall Counties, where storm total amounts ranged
from 15 to near 20 in, with the highest total of 19.72 in in eastern Bandera
County. A few estimates exceeded 20 in, where gauges overflowed, and exact
measurements were unknown. Another concentrated area of 12 to 18 in of rain
fell over the northern Hill Country in portions of Mason, Kimble and Gillespie
Counties. The result of the excessive rain was record flooding along stretches
of the Llano River in Llano County. Major river flooding also occurred on the
Frio, Nueces, Sabinal, Guadalupe, Lavaca, and Navidad rivers.
Heavy rain is not uncommon for central or south central Texas. It is part of
the general climate of the area, where rainfall amounts vary considerably from
east to west and year to year. Some notable heavy rains the area has
experienced include an unofficial report of 48 in over a period of about 52 hr.
in early August, 1978, resulting from the remnants of tropical storm Amelia and
an upper-level disturbance. This rain fell near the town of Bluff, located
northwest of San Antonio in the Texas Hill Country. A short-term heavy rainfall
rate of 21.87 in in 2 hr, 45 min occurred in Medina County, just north of
D'Hanis, in late May, 1935. On average, south Texas can expect on 20 in
rainfall event and several 10 to 20 in events per year (Grice and Maddox )
The 1978 event washed the Chevy dealership and the beer distributor in Bandera
into Medina Lake. My old man found six-packs floating about 6" under the
surface of the lake and he filled his fridge with them. He waited a month for
the cerveza to calm down and for awhile he had a mess of free beer.
T
Sep 2, 2009 11:31:10 AM, [email protected] wrote:
John,
That depends upon how much. October 1998 and July 2002, the Medina River got a
little deep in places. If I remember correctly, the October 98 event was during
the TCR which was held at Chalk Bluff. I wasn't in Texas yet but have heard
about the TCR when the river came up quite a bit. I have folks that tell me the
October 98 flood event was very localized and didn't impact the western Edwards
Counties. I think some of the cavers would beg to differ.
Geary
-----Original Message-----
From: John Brooks [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:13 AM
Cc: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Paradise Canyon
It should be a great weekend. And even if it rains I don’t think anyone would
complain.
Just don't try to SCAN anyone.....or you will get lots of complaints!
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Diana and others,
I can't agree more, Multi Drug Resistant TB is serious stuff and I knew that
S.A. and the Rio Grande Valley are in the thick of the fight. Very interesting
article, something I've been following in the press for a number of years.
There is also an excellent book called Mountains beyond Mountains which
discusses the TB issue along with health care issues in developing countries,
places where cavers frequent (my tie in to caving and making this a relevant
topic for Texas Cavers). An individuals can place the population at great
risk. Most of us don't remember that a simple infection before the 1940's
could be a death sentence but with the advent of modern antibiotics, folks
dying of common infections became a thing of the past. Most of the folks
jailed with infectious diseases.
The over prescription of antibiotics to treat every runny nose and the self
medication with antibiotics available over the counter in many countries has
resulted in the effective loss of many antibiotics. I'm not afraid of Ebola
but of MDR TB, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, and some of the other diseases which
were real killers 60 years ago.
MDR TB is an excellent example of evolution which reminds me of my favorite
Opus Cartoon which has the old man in the doctor's office being examined. The
Dr. tells the old man that he has TB and the man asks him what they could do
about that. The doctor said, that depends on whether you believe in creation
or evolution. If you believe in creation, we'll treat you with the old
antibiotics and you'll die. If you believe in evolution, we'll treat you with
the new antibiotics the bacterium hasn't evolved resistance too, and you'll
live. LOL
Geary
(I think I'm over 100 words)
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(I think I'm over 100 words)
295, but the joke at the end made it worth reading ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
To: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>; Ron Miller
<[email protected]>
Cc: Katy Roodenko <[email protected]>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
Diana and others,
I can't agree more, Multi Drug Resistant TB is serious stuff and I knew that
S.A. and the Rio Grande Valley are in the thick of the fight. Very interesting
article, something I've been following in the press for a number of years.
There is also an excellent book called Mountains beyond Mountains which
discusses the TB issue along with health care issues in developing countries,
places where cavers frequent (my tie in to caving and making this a relevant
topic for Texas Cavers). An individuals can place the population at great
risk.
Most of us don't remember that a simple infection before the 1940's could be a
death sentence but with the advent of modern antibiotics, folks dying of common
infections became a thing of the past. Most of the folks jailed with
infectious
diseases.
The over prescription of antibiotics to treat every runny nose and the self
medication with antibiotics available over the counter in many countries has
resulted in the effective loss of many antibiotics. I'm not afraid of Ebola
but
of MDR TB, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, and some of the other diseases which
were
real killers 60 years ago.
MDR TB is an excellent example of evolution which reminds me of my favorite
Opus
Cartoon which has the old man in the doctor's office being examined. The Dr.
tells the old man that he has TB and the man asks him what they could do about
that. The doctor said, that depends on whether you believe in creation or
evolution. If you believe in creation, we'll treat you with the old
antibiotics
and you'll die. If you believe in evolution, we'll treat you with the new
antibiotics the bacterium hasn't evolved resistance too, and you'll live. LOL
Geary
(I think I'm over 100 words)
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People, don't you think this e-bullying has gone on long enough? Frankly, while
I wasn't annoyed by the initial issue I'm starting to get really annoyed by
this. Yes we get that you didn't like someone's post...you've made that more
clear than my ADHD 8yr old nephew make a point, so can we stop now and move on?
Nobody who was complaining was purposefully trying to hurt anyone's feelings,
but yall are now trying to hurt theirs. Can we stop with the childish remarks?
If this is a campfire, at this point I'm getting ready to walk away from it as
it's getting annoying and sounding more like a cub scout campfire than anything
else. Isn't that the point of the off topic list?
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
(I think I'm over 100 words)
>
>
>
>
>
>
295, but the joke at the end made it worth reading ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
To: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>; Ron Miller
<[email protected]>
Cc: Katy Roodenko <[email protected]>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
Diana and others,
I can't agree more, Multi Drug Resistant TB is serious stuff and I knew that
S.A. and the Rio Grande Valley are in the thick of the fight. Very interesting
article, something I've been following in the press for a number of years.
There is also an excellent book called Mountains beyond Mountains which
discusses the TB issue along with health care issues in developing countries,
places where cavers frequent (my tie in to caving and making this a relevant
topic for Texas Cavers). An individuals can place the population at great
risk.
Most of us don't remember that a simple infection before the 1940's could be a
death sentence but with the advent of modern antibiotics, folks dying of common
infections became a thing of the past. Most of the folks jailed with
infectious
diseases.
The over prescription of antibiotics to treat every runny nose and the self
medication with antibiotics available over the counter in many countries has
resulted in the effective loss of many antibiotics. I'm not afraid of Ebola
but
of MDR TB, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, and some of the other diseases which
were
real killers 60 years ago.
MDR TB is an excellent example of evolution which reminds me of my favorite
Opus
Cartoon which has the old man in the doctor's office being examined. The Dr.
tells the old man that he has TB and the man asks him what they could do about
that. The doctor said, that depends on whether you believe in creation or
evolution. If you believe in creation, we'll treat you with the old
antibiotics
and you'll die. If you believe in evolution, we'll treat you with the new
antibiotics the bacterium hasn't evolved resistance too, and you'll live. LOL
Geary
(I think I'm over 100 words)
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???????
Don's iPhone.
On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Matt Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
People, don't you think this e-bullying has gone on long enough?
Frankly, while I wasn't annoyed by the initial issue I'm starting to
get really annoyed by this. Yes we get that you didn't like
someone's post...you've made that more clear than my ADHD 8yr old
nephew make a point, so can we stop now and move on?
Nobody who was complaining was purposefully trying to hurt anyone's
feelings, but yall are now trying to hurt theirs. Can we stop with
the childish remarks?
If this is a campfire, at this point I'm getting ready to walk away
from it as it's getting annoying and sounding more like a cub scout
campfire than anything else. Isn't that the point of the off topic
list?
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a
thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty
hearts can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
(I think I'm over 100 words)
295, but the joke at the end made it worth reading ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
To: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>; Ron Miller <[email protected]
>
Cc: Katy Roodenko <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]
>
Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
Diana and others,
I can't agree more, Multi Drug Resistant TB is serious stuff and I
knew that
S.A. and the Rio Grande Valley are in the thick of the fight. Very
interesting
article, something I've been following in the press for a number of
years.
There is also an excellent book called Mountains beyond Mountains
which
discusses the TB issue along with health care issues in developing
countries,
places where cavers frequent (my tie in to caving and making this a
relevant
topic for Texas Cavers). An individuals can place the population at
great risk.
Most of us don't remember that a simple infection before the 1940's
could be a
death sentence but with the advent of modern antibiotics, folks
dying of common
infections became a thing of the past. Most of the folks jailed
with infectious
diseases.
The over prescription of antibiotics to treat every runny nose and
the self
medication with antibiotics available over the counter in many
countries has
resulted in the effective loss of many antibiotics. I'm not afraid
of Ebola but
of MDR TB, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, and some of the other
diseases which were
real killers 60 years ago.
MDR TB is an excellent example of evolution which reminds me of my
favorite Opus
Cartoon which has the old man in the doctor's office being
examined. The Dr.
tells the old man that he has TB and the man asks him what they
could do about
that. The doctor said, that depends on whether you believe in
creation or
evolution. If you believe in creation, we'll treat you with the old
antibiotics
and you'll die. If you believe in evolution, we'll treat you with
the new
antibiotics the bacterium hasn't evolved resistance too, and you'll
live. LOL
Geary
(I think I'm over 100 words)
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WOW - my comment was meant to bring humor to the silliness of it all, because,
like you, I was sick of it.
Sorry I kept it alive.....
I'll keep my "humor" to myself......
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From: Matt Turner <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
People,?don't you think this e-bullying has gone on long enough? Frankly, while
I wasn't annoyed by the initial issue I'm starting to get really annoyed by
this. Yes we get that you didn't like someone's post...you've made that more
clear than my ADHD 8yr old nephew make a point,?so can we stop now?and move on?
?
Nobody who was complaining was purposefully trying to hurt anyone's feelings,
but yall are now trying to hurt theirs. Can we stop with the childish remarks?
?
If this?is a campfire, at this point I'm getting ready to?walk away from it as
it's?getting annoying?and sounding more like a cub scout campfire than anything
else. Isn't that the point?of the off topic list?
?
Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
(I think I'm over 100 words)
295, but the joke at the end made it worth reading ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Geary Schindel <[email protected]>
To: Diana Tomchick <[email protected]>; Ron Miller
<[email protected]>
Cc: Katy Roodenko <[email protected]>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
Diana and others,
I can't agree more, Multi Drug Resistant TB is serious stuff and I knew that
S.A. and the Rio Grande Valley are in the thick of the fight. Very interesting
article, something I've been following in the press for a number of years.
There is also an excellent book called Mountains beyond Mountains which
discusses the TB issue along with health care issues in developing countries,
places where cavers frequent (my tie in to caving and making this a relevant
topic for Texas Cavers). An individuals can place the population at great
risk.
Most of us don't remember that a simple infection before the 1940's could be a
death sentence but with the advent of modern antibiotics, folks dying of common
infections became a thing of the past. Most of the folks jailed with
infectious
diseases.
The over prescription of antibiotics to treat every runny nose and the self
medication with antibiotics available over the counter in many countries has
resulted in the effective loss of many antibiotics. I'm not afraid of Ebola
but
of MDR TB, Diphtheria, Whooping Cough, and some of the other diseases which
were
real killers 60 years ago.
MDR TB is an excellent example of evolution which reminds me of my favorite
Opus
Cartoon which has the old man in the doctor's office being examined. The Dr.
tells the old man that he has TB and the man asks him what they could do about
that. The doctor said, that depends on whether you believe in creation or
evolution. If you believe in creation, we'll treat you with the old
antibiotics
and you'll die. If you believe in evolution, we'll treat you with the new
antibiotics the bacterium hasn't evolved resistance too, and you'll live. LOL
Geary
(I think I'm over 100 words)
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Your humor isn't what i was specifically referring to, so I must apologize for
not deleting the old replies. I actually got a chuckle out of it.
It's the fact that it seems like since Bill pointed this out. The Me too posts
have actually increased and more importantly everyone keeps point out that
their response is either over 100 words or under. Again I could careless about
if you response is 1 letter or 100000 words (though I could say I'd probably
ignore one that long). Which a few posts like that are understandable people
want to passive aggressively show that they don't like Bill's idea. It happens
everywhere. The fact that it's gone on so long is what is annoying. I'd hate
for Bill to get annoyed to the point of leaving, not that I actually think he
would.
Just saying again think about the fact that some people love to hear the quips
and others don't. Not saying you have to quit making them, just maybe not on
every topic. Personally i want everyone to have fun, but at the same time
having 20-40 emails waiting everyday to be read and most of them being not
about anything really, and a lot of them talking about 100words, gets a bit
annoying. Again that's what facebook and forums are for.
Though I suspect all I've done is make it so more people will post me too on
here,Matt Turner
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do
that."- Norman Vincent Peale
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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 5:12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Totally non caving related
WOW - my comment was meant to bring humor to the silliness of it all, because,
like you, I was sick of it.
Sorry I kept it alive.....
I'll keep my "humor" to myself......
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