texascavers Digest 7 Oct 2008 18:09:28 -0000 Issue 623
Topics (messages 9122 through 9138):
Re: Long Caverns Big Dig Update
9122 by: mark.alman.l-3com.com
9123 by: Jim Kennedy
9124 by: Stefan Creaser
Re: Texas Cavers Reunion 2008
9125 by: Butch Fralia
recyling at TCR
9126 by: Sam Young
Cave picture
9127 by: Louise Power
9129 by: Gary Moss
Paging Geary Schindel
9128 by: wesley s
TSS work session
9130 by: Ron Ralph
AMCS sales at TCR
9131 by: Mixon Bill
TSA Officers Ballot
9132 by: Linda Palit
TCMA Garage Sale
9133 by: Linda Palit
50 YEARS news
9134 by: Carl Kunath
Volunters Needed for Austin Cave Fest
9135 by: Denise P
9136 by: Jules Jenkins
9138 by: Ron Ralph
cave locations....
9137 by: Mixon Bill
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Ditto to what Lyndon and Paul reported.
It was a fun and productive weekend, entertaining and energetic camaraderie, a
lot of enthusiasm from the Aggie Cavers (a great Grotto, it would appear!),
very accommodating and cordial park staff, free camping and a tour of Longhorn
Caverns, excellent weather, and a great view of the sunset and stars in the
Hill Country from the LCSP Observation Tower Saturday night!
And you can still be a part of it!
The next work weekend will be Saturday, November 1st!
Bring your leftover Halloween candy, any tools you may think would be helpful,
and a great attitude.
If you have any kind of sled, etc. that would help haul dirt in and out of the
passageway, please contact me so that I can get it from you at TCR or you can
bring it to LCSP next month.
It'll be a fun weekend!
I know a lot of folks had to cancel, in anticipation of TCR, especially the
cooks. Don't need 400-500 angry, hungry, and possible drunk cavers chasing our
chefs around the park, so TCR definitely came first.
Hope to see all of y'all and more next month!
Thanks again to Lyndon, Paul, and Alan Blevins and his contingent of Aggie
Cavers who blew off homework and cramming at A & M to come help out.
Mark Alman
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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Mon 10/6/2008 7:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Long Caverns Big Dig Update
Thanks for sending the update Paul. It was great meeting you.
We did not break through as we hoped for so we will be back first weekend of
November for more digging.
We stopped digging at around 3pm as we wanted to catch the last guided tour of
the day at 4pm. The guided tour lasted about 1 hour and 40 minutes.
Some headed back home after the tour. Six of us stayed behind overnight and
camped at Longhorn Caverns State Park. We had brats and dogs for dinner.
We spent the evening chatting on the observation tower with a 360 view of Texas
hill country. We could see bats flying around us. It was a cool clear evening.
Quite windy and no insects.
I'm looking forward to the next dig in November.
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:13:22 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> October 4th
>
> Saturday noon update
>
>
>
> The dig is progressing with the help of 10 young energetic cavers whose
> enthusiasm is so contagious. Mark Alman, the fearless leader, supervised
> the dig from a very comfortable room, short of the actual dig face.
> Knowing
> that Mark needed support, I too remained in the room to count the buckets
> coming out of the dig.
>
>
>
> Before lunch over 100 buckets of dirt had been removed from the fill
> that is
> blocking the entrance passage.
>
>
>
> Now to the details.
>
>
>
> I arrived at 7PM on Friday evening expecting to find a nice camp site.
> Instead I found the gates locked and the ranger was not at the
> residence. I
> waited until the lightening became fierce, and decided to find a camping
> place in a Burnett motel, a luxury indeed.
>
>
>
> It did not rain, but I enjoyed a completely decadent breakfast of honey
> chicken biscuit at Whataburger. It was really good. Had one now,
> don't need
> another.
>
>
>
> Mark and the other cavers arrived AT LCSP much later than I, and chose
> to go
> to Inks SP where they camped for the nite. They arrived shortly after 9 AM
> and we all caravanned to the cave that is located on private land. The
> entrance is gated, but very nice, having a vertical ladder. We found that
> the entrance to be filled with harvestman spiders. Not really a problem
> unless you know that all spiders contain venom and are poisonous..
> Fortunately, harvestmen have no means of dispensing their poison, and are
> therefore harmless. It was really nice to see one of the young distaff
> cavers overcome their fears and descend among the spiders crawling all over
> her.
>
>
>
> The young caves attacked the dig, and Mark and I watched as bucket after
> bucket came out of the passage. At noon, all decided to make the
> short trip
> to the surface for lunch. I had a family obligation so I decided to return
> home. Mark will have to continue the report.
>
>
>
> Mark is planning on returning the first week in November. This is a rare
> opportunity for you to see a really magnificent cave. And it is unusual as
> it is the most outstanding example and proof of Ralph Ewers' ground
> breaking
> theory of para-genesis as I have observed. I would really love to have
> access to the cave as I am sure that the sediments would contain proof.
>
>
>
> According to the Park staff, there is about a mile of cave separating this
> entrance and the commercial tour. Once we break through, we expect so
> see a
> lot of really nice off tour cave passage.
>
>
>
> I f you want to be a part of this dig, contact Mark Alman.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul Unger
>
>
>
>
>
> 512-446-6715
>
>
>
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Lyndon Tiu
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What at great idea! Far more useful than just yelling at them when they
get in the way or won't be quiet.
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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Long Caverns Big Dig Update
<snip> We had brats and dogs for dinner.
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Next year's TCR menu ;-)
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From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:[email protected]]
What at great idea! Far more useful than just yelling at them when they
get in the way or won't be quiet.
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From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Long Caverns Big Dig Update
<snip> We had brats and dogs for dinner.
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Due to a health issue, I won't be able to make TCR this year. I'd like to
encourage everyone to take lots of pictures and make them available for the
TSA website TCR 2008 photo spread.
Butch Fralia
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From: Allan Cobb [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 11:45 AM
To: [email protected]; New Mexico E-Mailing List
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion 2008
Howdy Y'all,
This time next week I hope all of you are at Paradise Canyon
(http://paradisecanyon.com/) for the 31st Texas Cavers Reunion. If you been
before, you know you will have a great time. If you haven't been before,
you really need to come and have fun with all of us. The site is the same
as last year. The water is a little lower than last year but it is still
flowing well. The long range weather forecast looks like sunny and warm
days with cool nights. For more information and direction, visit the
Paradise Canyon website, the TSA website
(http://www.cavetexas.org/maps/tcr2007.html), or the TCR website
(http://www.oztotl.com/tcr).
The cost for TCR is the same as last year, $25 for adults, $15 for children,
and $15 if you are an old time Texas caver! We will have the hot tub and
sauna as usual. We are planning a great feed on Saturday night followed by
various awards and wonderful door prizes (thanks Whole Earth Provision
Company! and others). The Bexar Grotto will have a spaghetti dinner on
Friday night for a small donation and TCMA will have a breakfast on Saturday
morning for a small donation. There will be a TSS meeting on Saturday
morning. On Sunday, there will be a general members meeting of the Texas
Cave Management Association followed by a general members meeting of the
TSA.
We have the park until 4 PM on Sunday so please help us out by picking up
any trash when you leave.
See ya'll there...
Allan
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The recycling containers will be available again this year at TCR. There will
be a pair of containers at the Bexar Grotto camp and another pair near the
cooks area. Be prepared to recycle aluminum cans and plastic bottles.
and thanks, ........ Sam
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Can somebody please tell me what date the cave picture appeared on the
Astronomy Picture of the Day site? It's one of my favorite sites, but I've been
on almost a month's bedrest due to chest pains and acute renal failure and
apparently missed that picture. After all the comments, I certainly want to see
it. Today's picture of the day is what comes up when you click on the link.
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September 29
Gary Moss
At 02:35 PM 10/6/2008, Louise Power wrote:
Can somebody please tell me what date the cave picture appeared on
the Astronomy Picture of the Day site? It's one of my favorite
sites, but I've been on almost a month's bedrest due to chest pains
and acute renal failure and apparently missed that picture. After
all the comments, I certainly want to see it. Today's picture of the
day is what comes up when you click on the link.
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Hey Geary,
When is that talk by Klimchouk again? I think I might attend.
Wes~
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Cavers,
There is a scheduled second Wednesday work session of the Texas
Speleological Survey October 8th, at the JJ Pickle Research Center on Burnet
Road north of highway 183. We will be packing tents, tables, and
publications for TCR. Come by help if you can. If you attend, you will be
able to work on your own projects as well. The door will be open at 5:00
p.m. and stay open till we adjourn.
The TSS office phone is 475-8802 if you get lost or stopped by the guard.
Remember that you must arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not
let you in! If you have questions, please contact me at
[email protected] or call or go to
http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm
Ron Ralph
Cell: 797-3817
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The Association for Mexican Cave Studies (the real one with which Bill
Russell, James Reddell, Peter Sprouse, Bill Mixon, and many others are
associated) will be selling publications at TCR. You can see a preview
of what's available by looking at the catalog at amcs-pubs.org. Bring
money. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS sales
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The following are our slate of potential officers for TSA for 2009:
President - Mark Alman
Vice President - Rob Bisset
Treasurer - Darla Bishop
Secretary - Denise Prendergast
Or Wes Schumacher
Thanks to all who considered running for office.
Greater thanks to those who agreed to run!
Ballots will be at TCR, or if you do not make it to TCR, the ballot will be
mailed to you.
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Have you heard - TCMA is having a garage sale at TCR!. We need your
donations. Bring that gently used gear and other stuff. Please mark a
minimum price on the unusual or expensive items. You can mark the prices on
the other items, or if you don't have time, we'll do it.
Thanks for your help and support!
And it seems like a good time to keep looking for caves for us to purchase -
Have you seen anything recently?
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News about 50 Years Of Texas Caving
v First, my thanks to all who have supported this effort by purchasing the
book. Also, your many kind comments have been noted and appreciated.
v Second, some of you have read the book closely will no doubt have noticed
errors, omissions, or grevious blunders. Please send your comments to me as
soon as possible so that they may be incorporated into the errata which I will
issue in the near future.
v Third, 50 Years was first sold at the Texas Caver Reunion of October
2007. The introductory price was $50. This was a special price-purposely set
low so that the caving community would have the opportunity to purchase the
book as inexpensively as possible before it was released for wider distribution
and the various vendors take their necessary profit for marketing.
v This introductory pricing will expire shortly after the coming Texas Caver
Reunion. Copies will be available at the Reunion. Don't delay. Act now
before the price increase!
More Information:
http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/50_Years/50_Years.html
Carl Kunath
50 Years Of Texas Caving
3720 Ransom Road
San Angelo, TX 76903
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Howdy, please volunteer for this good cause. I'll be there for an afternoon
shift.
Cheers,Denise
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October 25th
Austin Cave Fest Educational Opportunity
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Saturday October 25
Time: Pick one of two shifts 8:30 to noon, noon to 3:30
Location: Western Oaks Karst Preserve in SW Austin
Description: Be a part of Barton Springs Edward Aquifer’s Cave Festival by
volunteering with Wildland Conservation. Volunteers will staff the watershed
model and educate people of all ages about how watersheds function, both above
and below ground.
Volunteers needed to help man our booth at this festival event. A staff member
will be present with a volunteer, and we will be help visitors locate their
home on the aquifer map, share our aquifer model, and hand out conservation and
aquifer-related materials.
Also, we volunteers needed at the cave to help outfit the cave participants and
help with the caving process:
Lunch for volunteers will be provided by Maudie’s. Volunteers who are helping
in the afternoon should come around 12:00 to eat before their shift. Morning
volunteers will lunch at 12:30pm.
For more information, go to
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/water/wildland/onlineregistration/ecowebevents.cfm .
To volunteer, contact Jennifer Galland, 512-282-8441, [email protected] ,
http://www.bseacd.org
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Yeah, Denise
Thanks for volunteering.
We still need 6 more volunteers. Please contact either Jules or Jenee @ the
Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District, 512-282-8441.
thanks, jules
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From: Denise P <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Volunters Needed for Austin Cave Fest
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:57 PM
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Howdy, please volunteer for this good cause. I'll be there for an afternoon
shift.
Cheers,
Denise
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October 25th
Austin Cave Fest Educational Opportunity
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Saturday October 25
Time: Pick one of two shifts 8:30 to noon, noon to 3:30
Location: Western Oaks Karst Preserve in SW Austin
Description: Be a part of Barton Springs Edward Aquifer’s Cave Festival by
volunteering with Wildland Conservation. Volunteers will staff the watershed
model and educate people of all ages about how watersheds function, both above
and below ground.
Volunteers needed to help man our booth at this festival event. A staff member
will be present with a volunteer, and we will be help visitors locate their
home on the aquifer map, share our aquifer model, and hand out conservation and
aquifer-related materials.
Also, we volunteers needed at the cave to help outfit the cave participants and
help with the caving process:
Lunch for volunteers will be provided by Maudie’s. Volunteers who are helping
in the afternoon should come around 12:00 to eat before their shift.. Morning
volunteers will lunch at 12:30pm.
For more information, go to
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/water/wildland/onlineregistration/ecowebevents.cfm .
To volunteer, contact Jennifer Galland, 512-282-8441, [email protected] ,
http://www.bseacd.org
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Jennifer,
I can do a morning shift. What do you need, what do I wear, and what do I
bring?
Ron
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From: Jules Jenkins [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:22 AM
To: [email protected]; Denise P
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Volunters Needed for Austin Cave Fest
Yeah, Denise
Thanks for volunteering.
We still need 6 more volunteers. Please contact either Jules or Jenee @ the
Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District, 512-282-8441.
thanks, jules
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From: Denise P <[email protected]>
Subject: [Texascavers] Volunters Needed for Austin Cave Fest
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:57 PM
Howdy, please volunteer for this good cause. I'll be there for an afternoon
shift.
Cheers,
Denise
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October 25th
* Austin Cave Fest Educational Opportunity
List-Post: [email protected]
Date: Saturday October 25
Time: Pick one of two shifts 8:30 to noon, noon to 3:30
Location: Western Oaks Karst Preserve in SW Austin
Description: Be a part of Barton Springs Edward Aquifer?s Cave Festival by
volunteering with Wildland Conservation. Volunteers will staff the
watershed model and educate people of all ages about how watersheds
function, both above and below ground.
Volunteers needed to help man our booth at this festival event. A staff
member will be present with a volunteer, and we will be help visitors locate
their home on the aquifer map, share our aquifer model, and hand out
conservation and aquifer-related materials.
Also, we volunteers needed at the cave to help outfit the cave participants
and help with the caving process:
Lunch for volunteers will be provided by Maudie?s. Volunteers who are
helping in the afternoon should come around 12:00 to eat before their shift.
Morning volunteers will lunch at 12:30pm.
For more information, go to
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/water/wildland/onlineregistration/ecowebevents.cf
m .
To volunteer, contact Jennifer Galland, 512-282-8441, [email protected] ,
http://www.bseacd.org <http://www.bseacd.org/>
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The Mendip Cave Registry, the result of a long-term ongoing effort to
compile a complete catalogue of sites of speleological interest in the
Mendip region, is now available on the web with open access to all.
The website offers online browsing of the entire registry database
(1,804 entries at the time of writing), with optional filtering and
sorting by features such as length and depth. Search facilities allow
for finding sites by name (including alternative names) or, more
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looking for sites within a given distance. Descriptions include
details of known hydrology and, for those interested in researching
the history of a site, a link is provided to the recently opened
online Mendip Cave Bibliography database, which now contains well over
27,000 structured references to literary material published from ad
883 to the present day.
The results of searches are shown graphically using interactive Google
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clear satellite imagery available across the Mendip region. As with
any effort of this kind, information quickly becomes out of date and
errors and omissions are inevitable - so this is where you can help.
Links to submit feedback are provided on each page and the registrars
encourage you to make use of them to report any mistakes or offer
additional information.
The Mendip Cave Registry and Archive website is at: www.mcra.org.uk/registry
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