Even if this site is supposed to be related exclusively to caving, I look at
the OTs as being the conversations we get into around our virtual campfire
after a hard day caving and having a few cervezas. So, every once in awhile,
have a virtual beer on me and bring up something interesting OT.
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:55:40 -0600> From: [email protected]> To:
> [email protected]; [email protected]> CC:
> [email protected]> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution> >
> Rick, > No offence meant but I have to believe that many of the "cavers" are
> on> this list for the social aspect, for caving information and>
> opportunities. Some enjoy the OT subjects, educational information,> current
> topics in the news as well as the irreverence to all things that> some of us
> spew.> As for caving opportunities, I wish that I could get away for the>
> numerous work weekends which include caving at many of the state's> premier
> parks and natural areas. I think that opportunities abound. > I have a
> special interest in Goodenough Spring at the bottom of Lake> Amistad. Have
> you dived there?> Fritz> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rick
> [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:32 PM> To:
> Fritz Holt; 'Corky'> Cc: [email protected]> Subject: RE:
> [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution> > I tried to start a site for likeminded
> individuals and no one really> took to> it, I will let the site expire end of
> this month.> > So I stayed on the mailing lists, and I put up with what I
> call "cave> spam"> which is a constant bombardment of email most of which has
> nothing to do> with caving, and those that do have to do with caving few of
> those have> anything to do with caving opportunities. The opportunities that
> do> come up> are usually in Mexico. When I ask about caves I am told "join a
> grotto"> I> did, and I joined mailing lists. I've asked for cave information,
> I get> told, join lists, join grottos, no one gives it, understandable I>
> understand> conservation and punks that destroy, it's a big deal in cave
> diving or> spring diving if that's your preference as well and have no beef,
> but if> I> have to sit and go through the slaughter of my inbox, I'm no
> longer> interested.> > I'm a cave diver been doing it for years, love caves,
> in WV I didn't> have to> go through any of this I just went caving, figured
> I'd like to do some> TX> caving. Found out how thick politics are and I have
> to tell you my job> is> enough, I don't need it in my hobbies as well. I
> didn't join any lists> or> grotto's to be a social butterfly, a lot of the
> caving thing appears to> be a> social thing more than a caving thing, I've
> even people admit that in> emails. That's cool, if that's peoples things, hey
> this is America> enjoy,> it's just not for me I'm in it for the caves.> > I'm
> still on my local grotto list as I don't get spammed by it and I'll> continue
> to look for caving opportunities there.> > I don't care if everyone wants to
> talk about religion, politics,> computers> etc, I'm not bitter, did not
> request to be unsubscribed to rebel or> protest> or whatever, this just isn't
> for me.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Fritz Holt
> [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:36
> PM> To: Corky; Rick> Cc: [email protected]> Subject: RE:
> [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution> > Corky,> I will not opt out for fear of
> missing something worthwhile, maybe even> caving related. I do use my delete
> key on some subjects or on a> repetitive caver (myself excluded). Don't leave
> as we need you, assuming> that you are a dues paying member. As an
> alternative you could start> your own web site for like-minded individuals.>
> Fritz> -----Original Message-----> From: Corky
> [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47
> AM> To: Rick> Cc: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [Texascavers]
> Re:OT-Evolution> > Ditto! What is the unsubscribe link? I cannot believe a
> person from the > grotto I helped create could spew such venom and hate. My
> daughter > wonders why I will not take her to the meetings. I can show her
> one of > the reasons now in black and white. You do not have to believe in
> God to> > follow the teachings of Jesus. Especially the part about everyone >
> getting along with each other. Goodbye to all my friends and > acquaintances,
> and good riddance to the rest of you.> Cave Softly,> Corky> > Rick wrote:> >>
> > How do I unsubscribe form this list?> >> > > >> >
> [email protected]?> >> > > >> > *From:* Travis Scott
> [mailto:[email protected]]> > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:42 AM> >
> *To:* [email protected]> > *Subject:* [Texascavers]
> Re:OT-Evolution> >> > > >> > I have to chime in here and make a comment
> regarding the general > > attitude and lack of respect of what seems to be
> many-a-caver on this > > list...> >> > > >> > After taking this conversation
> from being a rude belittling argument > > and turning it into a nice pleasant
> discussion regarding evolution and> > > religion (which I think many people
> were glad to finally see, thanks > > Brian), it has now been taken full
> circle to the offensive, rude, and > > dogmatic. I don't understand why the
> people on Texascavers can't be > > polite, respectful and intelligent,
> especially when it comes to the > > possibility of severely offending some
> fellow cavers, no matter what > > the topic, religious or not.> >> > > >> >
> This conversation had actually matured from this sort of content and > > now
> is back to crap again, thanks for that.> >> > > >> > I am almost constantly
> amazed at how rude, arrogant, dogmatic, and > > down right offensive "Texas
> Cavers" can be. I find it impressive that> > > these people think they are
> soooo right, that ANYONE who believes > > something different is, let me
> quote, "stupid". This is a public > > forum, can't people make the slightest
> effort to be polite and > > respectful to each other? Do you people act this
> way at work, to > > family, to friends? If not, why do it to your fellow
> cavers?> >> > > >> > I do know of a good few folks that have actually been
> completely > > turned off from and have quit caving by "cavers" that act this
> way, > > specifically on this listserve too. By the way, there are also land
> > > owners on this list, these are the people we need to respect and make > >
> the biggest effort to show that we are somewhat intelligent, > > RESPECTFUL
> and professional to. Piss them off and how will you ever > > go caving (whats
> that?)?> >> > > >> > On another note, I agree with Linda. This whole thing is
> way off > > topic. This list has increasingly gotten worse about OT subjects
> over> > > the last few months and is getting quite frustrating. In fact, > >
> another list was even been set up so people that really care about > > Caving
> (whats that again?) can actually talk about caving and not have> > > to
> filter through this shit to find it.. > >> > > >> > Sorry, had to throw that
> out..> >> > > >> > Travis> >> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----> >> >
> *From:* Don Cooper <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > *To:*
> [email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >> >
> *Cc:* [email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:06 AM> >> > *Subject:* Re:
> [Texascavers] Evolution -- the facts and theory> >> > > >> > OK. I am not
> going to try to convince anyone the earth is a> > globe - and not flat.> >
> Yet there are pea-brained people that think just that. Believe in> > a Flat
> World? FINE.> > If you aren't on the evolution bandwagon - If you think a
> magic> > dude or specific plan was necessary to cause it all to happen -> >
> FINE. You are limited.> > Be stupid. I don't care!> > Evolution is real. The
> creator is the mechanism itself. Old holy> > presumptions are simply ignorant
> and why anyone holds on them is> > NOT our problem.> > Let's move on and just
> FORGET this creationism crap.> >> > Let the apologist speak for the
> weaknesses of their own faith. > > But I don't care to listen.> >> > -WaV> >>
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