I don't know how much of a dent in oil consumption this saves, and it seems an expensive alternative, but it's good to see some alternatives out there:
http://www.ecoproducts.com/Home/home_biobags/home_biogrocery_bags.htm On 1/11/08, Louise Power <[email protected]> wrote: > > Even if this site is supposed to be related exclusively to caving, I look > at the OTs as being the conversations we get into around our virtual > campfire after a hard day caving and having a few cervezas. So, every once > in awhile, have a virtual beer on me and bring up something interesting OT. > > > > > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:55:40 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > CC: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > Rick, > > No offence meant but I have to believe that many of the "cavers" are on > > this list for the social aspect, for caving information and > > opportunities. Some enjoy the OT subjects, educational information, > > current topics in the news as well as the irreverence to all things that > > some of us spew. > > As for caving opportunities, I wish that I could get away for the > > numerous work weekends which include caving at many of the state's > > premier parks and natural areas. I think that opportunities abound. > > I have a special interest in Goodenough Spring at the bottom of Lake > > Amistad. Have you dived there? > > Fritz > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rick [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:32 PM > > To: Fritz Holt; 'Corky' > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > I tried to start a site for likeminded individuals and no one really > > took to > > it, I will let the site expire end of this month. > > > > So I stayed on the mailing lists, and I put up with what I call "cave > > spam" > > which is a constant bombardment of email most of which has nothing to do > > with caving, and those that do have to do with caving few of those have > > anything to do with caving opportunities. The opportunities that do > > come up > > are usually in Mexico. When I ask about caves I am told "join a grotto" > > I > > did, and I joined mailing lists. I've asked for cave information, I get > > told, join lists, join grottos, no one gives it, understandable I > > understand > > conservation and punks that destroy, it's a big deal in cave diving or > > spring diving if that's your preference as well and have no beef, but if > > I > > have to sit and go through the slaughter of my inbox, I'm no longer > > interested. > > > > I'm a cave diver been doing it for years, love caves, in WV I didn't > > have to > > go through any of this I just went caving, figured I'd like to do some > > TX > > caving. Found out how thick politics are and I have to tell you my job > > is > > enough, I don't need it in my hobbies as well. I didn't join any lists > > or > > grotto's to be a social butterfly, a lot of the caving thing appears to > > be a > > social thing more than a caving thing, I've even people admit that in > > emails. That's cool, if that's peoples things, hey this is America > > enjoy, > > it's just not for me I'm in it for the caves. > > > > I'm still on my local grotto list as I don't get spammed by it and I'll > > continue to look for caving opportunities there. > > > > I don't care if everyone wants to talk about religion, politics, > > computers > > etc, I'm not bitter, did not request to be unsubscribed to rebel or > > protest > > or whatever, this just isn't for me. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Fritz Holt [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:36 PM > > To: Corky; Rick > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > Corky, > > I will not opt out for fear of missing something worthwhile, maybe even > > caving related. I do use my delete key on some subjects or on a > > repetitive caver (myself excluded). Don't leave as we need you, assuming > > that you are a dues paying member. As an alternative you could start > > your own web site for like-minded individuals. > > Fritz > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corky [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:47 AM > > To: Rick > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > Ditto! What is the unsubscribe link? I cannot believe a person from the > > grotto I helped create could spew such venom and hate. My daughter > > wonders why I will not take her to the meetings. I can show her one of > > the reasons now in black and white. You do not have to believe in God to > > > > follow the teachings of Jesus. Especially the part about everyone > > getting along with each other. Goodbye to all my friends and > > acquaintances, and good riddance to the rest of you. > > Cave Softly, > > Corky > > > > Rick wrote: > > > > > > How do I unsubscribe form this list? > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]? > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Travis Scott [mailto:[email protected]] > > > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:42 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > *Subject:* [Texascavers] Re:OT-Evolution > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to chime in here and make a comment regarding the general > > > attitude and lack of respect of what seems to be many-a-caver on this > > > list... > > > > > > > > > > > > After taking this conversation from being a rude belittling argument > > > and turning it into a nice pleasant discussion regarding evolution and > > > > > religion (which I think many people were glad to finally see, thanks > > > Brian), it has now been taken full circle to the offensive, rude, and > > > dogmatic. I don't understand why the people on Texascavers can't be > > > polite, respectful and intelligent, especially when it comes to the > > > possibility of severely offending some fellow cavers, no matter what > > > the topic, religious or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > This conversation had actually matured from this sort of content and > > > now is back to crap again, thanks for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am almost constantly amazed at how rude, arrogant, dogmatic, and > > > down right offensive "Texas Cavers" can be. I find it impressive that > > > > > these people think they are soooo right, that ANYONE who believes > > > something different is, let me quote, "stupid". This is a public > > > forum, can't people make the slightest effort to be polite and > > > respectful to each other? Do you people act this way at work, to > > > family, to friends? If not, why do it to your fellow cavers? > > > > > > > > > > > > I do know of a good few folks that have actually been completely > > > turned off from and have quit caving by "cavers" that act this way, > > > specifically on this listserve too. By the way, there are also land > > > owners on this list, these are the people we need to respect and make > > > the biggest effort to show that we are somewhat intelligent, > > > RESPECTFUL and professional to. Piss them off and how will you ever > > > go caving (whats that?)? > > > > > > > > > > > > On another note, I agree with Linda. This whole thing is way off > > > topic. This list has increasingly gotten worse about OT subjects over > > > > > the last few months and is getting quite frustrating. In fact, > > > another list was even been set up so people that really care about > > > Caving (whats that again?) can actually talk about caving and not have > > > > > to filter through this shit to find it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, had to throw that out.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Travis > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > *From:* Don Cooper <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > *Cc:* [email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, January 11, 2008 10:06 AM > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Evolution -- the facts and theory > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. I am not going to try to convince anyone the earth is a > > > globe - and not flat. > > > Yet there are pea-brained people that think just that. Believe in > > > a Flat World? FINE. > > > If you aren't on the evolution bandwagon - If you think a magic > > > dude or specific plan was necessary to cause it all to happen - > > > FINE. You are limited. > > > Be stupid. I don't care! > > > Evolution is real. The creator is the mechanism itself. Old holy > > > presumptions are simply ignorant and why anyone holds on them is > > > NOT our problem. > > > Let's move on and just FORGET this creationism crap. > > > > > > Let the apologist speak for the weaknesses of their own faith. > > > But I don't care to listen. > > > > > > -WaV > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: > > 1/10/2008 1:32 PM > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > >
