First it was too warm, then it is to chilly. While I don't agree with some of what's been posted here in the past, but neither do I agree with throwing a wet blanket on the interesting socializing that goes on here.
It's too bad. I'll just find somewhere else to hang out, I guess. George On 1/13/08, George Veni <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is no need to say "except" below. Cave related equipment is cave > related. It is not OT. > > > > For what it's worth, in addition to the on-line responses supporting my > posting, I've received several private notes of support too. > > > > George > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Matt Turner [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:01 AM > *To:* Daniel Hogenauer; [email protected]; > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Thoughts on OT postings > > > > Agree about the OT discussion, except when they involve cave related > equipment, like David's LED discussions. > > > > Global Warming, Evolution, and Plastic bags should be on another list. > > > Matt Turner > > > > "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought > without accepting it." - Aristotle > > > > "Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts > can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Daniel Hogenauer <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:50:33 PM > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Thoughts on OT postings > > Thank you George, > > Thank you for your abiding commitment to and concern for > caves, cavers, caving organizations and functions, and for this forum. I > second what you wrote to the TexasCavers community about this news group - > very well said. I don't think that I was among those who told you that they > were tempted to unsubscribe, but I am among the subscribers who routinely > delete every single post from some contributors and many other postings with > subject line that are of no interest. However I still feel that this > list has value and I believe that it will be even better for your > contribution. > > Again, thanks, > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]. > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:26:09 -0700 > Subject: [Texascavers] Thoughts on OT postings > > One of the recent postings on off-topic discussions stated, "Some enjoy > the OT subjects…" > > > > I know that's true, but let's compare some numbers. By my count, there are > about a dozen people who contribute the great majority of OT material. I've > heard there are close to 200 people registered on > TexasCavers.com<http://texascavers.com/>. > That's not a very high number, especially considering that many subscribers > don't live in Texas. I believe a big reason is the OT postings. I know at > least 2 dozen cavers who over the past five years or so (two cavers within > the past 3 weeks) have told me they canceled their subscriptions or refused > to subscribe due to all of the OT postings. I can count at least 2-3 dozen > additional cavers who have told me they are tempted to unsubscribe because > of OT postings, but put up with them to get the rare snippet of caving > information. If this is only what I've heard, I suspect the actual numbers > are quite higher. Yes, people can click delete, but why should they? Do we > embrace spammers and say "It's OK. Just hit delete if you don't want the > information"? > > > > To subscribe, cavers go to www.texascavers.com where it states "This list > should be used for the exchange of information on Texas caving and related > activities." So when cavers subscribe, they expect information that is > related to caving, not non-caving information they didn't ask for. Just > because a caver does, uses, believes, or is interested in something, doesn't > make that cave related. The basic definition of spam is unsolicited, > unwanted e-mail, and since most of the postings are OT, many cavers I've > heard from consider most postings spam. I'm pretty sure no one signed up for > that. > > > > The purpose of TexasCavers.com <http://texascavers.com/> is to "keep > cavers informed about the latest developments and current events in Texasand > the rest of the caving world." With at least 2 dozen cavers who have > already run away due to OT postings, and at least as many considering > unsubscribing for the same reason, TexasCavers.com<http://texascavers.com/>is > failing at its purpose. Many cavers are not getting news from > TexasCaver.com <http://texascaver.com/> or sharing their news with it. > That is truly a shame. > > > > George > > > > > > > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Start > sharing!<http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search.<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> >
