Thank you for the support :) Charles
On 1/15/08, Linda Palit <[email protected]> wrote: > > one of those mornings -- minor crises just keep taking me out. > anyway, keep up the good work > and I do mean -- Thanks! > > I really so appreciate your keeping the forum up. > > Linda > > *Charles Goldsmith <[email protected]>* wrote: > > Maybe we both are in a bad mood :) I didn't see your posting until I sent > mine. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Linda Palit" > To: "wesley s" ; "[email protected]" > Sent: 1/15/2008 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OTtex vs. Cavetex > > Hold on. > Are we trashing our unpaid volunteers who make "Cavetex" possible? > Maybe this is a joke and I am missing it. > Maybe we have a new volunteer to take over the duty of being a moderator. > Solutions are not composed of "somebody should" -- either I volunteer to > help___ or nothing makes more sense to me. > > Maybe I am in a bad mood this morning and should just stop e-mailing. > > Linda > > > wesley s wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { > FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } Divisive to say the least! This is > like a political party schism. The attempt to purge the unwanted instigators > will only weaken the group as a whole and create more animosity on the part > of the fence sitters who stayed out of the argument but generally support > the system. This is a really half assed solution if you ask me. > Yes we could ask every caver to delete his/her inbox full of OT posts and > be done with it but this relies on too many people's adherence to a logical > course action. Furthermore it is, as has already been stated, effectively > spam. This sort of activity has been tolerated far too long and the creation > of this new listserv is pandering to the perpetrators in order to not be > accused of censorship. Unfortunately censoring is exactly what should be > done. The list populous has made it abundantly clear that they do not > appreciate the off topic rants and threads and wishes there to be some sort > of regulation of this listserv. Why, Charles Goldsmith, have you elected to > be so lax? > "While I host this mailing list, I let you folks moderate it, I'm not > going to. If I get enough people complaining about one or more users, I'll > send out a warning email, outlining the rules and asking to please stop. If > it continues, I'll remove you from the list, that simple. However, out of > all of this, I have yet to receive any emails about it, I think the > community took care of itself in this matter." > If you are unable or unwilling to be a moderator for this listserv than we > need to find someone who is and have this thing moderated like all the > others on the great wide web. There is a reason why moderators are a > ubiquitous feature on listserves. Humans wander in their thoughts and if > they are posting to a topic limited list they are bound to stray off topic. > That is where the moderator comes in and steers the individual or thread > back on course. And passive moderating does not work! > "These topics seem to run their courses over a short period of time, but I > do think that some of them should be answered off list to the person > directly." > This is not a solution! It is lethargy. And furthermore the audacity of > those individuals who attempt to link their topic by six degrees of > separation to caving somehow are not fooling anyone. We know you're trying > to mask the issue. > Perhaps those individuals who simply want to have wild, broad discussions > about anything and everything would be better served by a separate listserv > but I hardly think they are a large enough group to sustain a separate list. > Consequently they will come back and continue posting OT emails to Cavetex. > We need regulation. Not because it is necessary to stifle entertaining > discussions and keep caver thought and opinions in line, but because it is > discourteous to the entire subscribership to let the posts become more than > say 30% off topic. I enjoy some of these threads as much as Kara and others, > and anyone who knows me knows how anti authoritarian my views are, but in > the name of keeping our subscribers and preserving a place for caver > information exchange on the internet please rein in these individuals. > > Wes~ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:54:28 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Texascavers] Re: OT Off topic time, all the time. Oh yeah, we > talk about caves, too. > > .ExternalClass DIV {;} Please join in a lively discussion at > [email protected]. If it is important to you, a caver, it is worthwhile > to talk about. Like Caving, we're about the Journey, not the destination. > Respect is key, so is participation. While I fear the divisive nature of > this approach, I'm willing to give it a shot. There are better things to > talk about, which most of us probably agree, (but never all of us) so let's > get on with it. Please exercise your delete command with the list, > [email protected]... where, should you need to, deleting rants from > flamers is your prerogative, and renders flamers irrelevant, not subject > matter. > > Now run along and play with your silly off-topic friends > > Kara > > [email protected] to subscribe > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live™. > Start now! > > >
