That's interesting. I think of leadership as not whining but doing. Leadership is not asking others to do something they are not comfortable with or causes them to have moral dilemmas, especially when it only serves to make you comfortable. Leadership is trying to understand another person's perspective without cramming it down their throat in a "My way or the Highway" manner.
Our "poorly organized" effort got the gate constructed in a period of less than a month from first finding the vandalism, has reached its financial goal (thanks to all that contributed !), did it without needing to make formal overtures to the "54 SP500 companies that are headquartered in Texas", did so without creating a massive headache by making sure that there was a 501(C)3 organization receiving the funds for shuttling to a third party, and did so by using a poor-boy version of crowd-sourcing from within the caving community. No excuses for dinner tonight. If I insulted you, I apologize. But as you said in your first email or so, that's your issue. Thank you for your donation. Jerry. -----Original Message----- From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> To: texas cavers tc <texascavers@texascavers.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : Leadership - It's about addressing the issues, not targeting the messengers,Leadership - It's about getting things done even without global consensus, Leadership - It's about setting your organization to succeed - like setting up Ellenberger formation solid tax deductible donation options,Leadership - It's about not insulting your potential donors or participants,And I don't want to start my next email message with 'Excuses, it's what's for dinner tonight',RK________________________________> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:37:49 -0400 > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Rafal, > > If it was so easy, I challenge you to step up and make it so. From the > experience I have had dealing with both organizations, well-meaning but > time and energy constrained cavers, and the odd troll here and there, > it's anything but easy to get folks to agree on anything, even more so > when money is involved. > > Yes, Diana, I could have appealed to either the TCMA or TSS to be the > funds collector for the Powell's Cave Project so that a handful of > folks could get a minuscule tax deduction if they wanted one. But I > felt it was a conflict of interest to ask the TSS to do so as I'm an > officer on the Board. That won't matter to some folks but it does to > me. The TCMA is a fine organization doing excellent work for Texas > caves and cavers but they take awhile to make things happen and this > gate needed to be done quickly. > > So, there you go - the usual simple solutions to the worlds problems > aren't actually all that simple. Please keep that in mind as you > instruct the world as to how it should be done. In the mean time, I > haven't seen you two actually donating anything but grief. Make > something happen or get off the soap box. > > Jerry. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > What did you assume that isn't true? > > Caves and karst in Texas are an incredible resource that should be > protected and set aside - the case for which should be easily made > especially when one considers lack of green space as compared to > American East and West. If Texas cavers could reach around and outside > of its own community, get funding from private donors, one could not > only gate dozens of habitat sensitive caves but also set up a network > of karst preserves. For goodness sake, there are 54 SP500 companies > headquarters in Texas! All that takes is ability to share your vision > with others, show them the resource you are trying to protect and > reasons why. And yes, sometimes take them above and below the ground, > get their hands dirty. > > And your concern is a nonexistent moral dilemma? > > RK > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:37:30 -0600 > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > > > > Then why did you ask, for Pete's sake ? > > > > Jerry. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> > wrote: > > > >> No change in my statement. If someone is philanthropic in order to > gain access to the cave, that's a > >> wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not yours. If > >> someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping to preserve > >> an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing generosity - not > >> the issue of the donor. > >> > >> RK > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:18:37 -0600 > >>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>> > >>> When they ask ahead of actually donating, it's a tacit request. > That becomes my problem. > >>> > >>> Jerry. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> If someone is philanthropic in order to gain access to the cave, > that's a wrong reason for generosity - but that's his/her issue, not > yours. If someone is taken through the cave as a thank you for helping > to preserve an incredible resource, that's your way of expressing > generosity - not the issue of the donor. > >>>> > >>>> RK > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------- > >>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:05:24 -0600 > >>>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>>>> From: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> Rafal, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not comfortable with donations for the greater good becoming > entitlements for special privileges. It would be unfortunate if that > becomes the principal reason for being philanthropic. > >>>>> > >>>>> As for resurveying Powell's Cave, there have been two survey > projects of the cave since the early 1960s, and one fairly decent map > made of the cave. Unfortunately, past efforts used whoever showed up at > trips as survey teams, with little to no quality control of survey > standards. The result was a mish-mash of excellent to awful surveys > that was nearly impossible to compile into a good map. Any future > effort will require a different strategy that may be too difficult to > complete given the lack of project leaders and cartographers we have > today. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jerry. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Further along those lines, do donors get a special thank you trip:)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When does the longest mostly dry cave in Texas get a more > perfect survey project and map? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> RK > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:55:00 +0000 > >>>>>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Powell's Cave Gate Project update : > >>>>>>> From: > texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> How do we send in a contribution? Is there somewhere online I > can donate? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- > >>>>>>> Dessie Pierce, MA > >>>>>>> Licensed Professional Counselor > >>>>>>> Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor > >>>>>>> Certified Clinical Trauma Professional > >>>>>>> 11999 Katy Freeway > >>>>>>> Suite 509 > >>>>>>> Houston, TX 77079 > >>>>>>> phone: 832-735-0065 > >>>>>>> cell: 832-341-8880 > >>>>>>> > des...@dessiep.com<mailto:des...@dessiep.com><mailto:des...@dessiep.com><mailto:des...@dessiep.com>?>; > >>>>>>> dessiep.com > >>>>>>> It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be > relatively > >>>>>>> easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can > compromise the > >>>>>>> privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me > >>>>>>> (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of > >>>>>>> email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given > >>>>>>> without a contract for professional services does not constitute > >>>>>>> counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information > >>>>>>> contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, > >>>>>>> intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above. If > >>>>>>> the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are > >>>>>>> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this > >>>>>>> message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > >>>>>>> error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 832-735-0065 or > >>>>>>> return the email and purge all copies of this message from > your system. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2016-06-22 20:32, Jerry via Texascavers wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Powell's Cave Gate Project update > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jim Kennedy and company have finished the gate on Powell's Cave, and > >>>>>>> now it's time to pay for it. As you can see from the accompanying > >>>>>>> graph, we've received $1200 of the approximately $2500 that has been > >>>>>>> pledged thus far. Many thanks to all that have sent in their > donations > >>>>>>> or pledged to help! - If you haven't sent in your pledged donation, > >>>>>>> please do so at your earliest convenience so we can pay the bills. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The graph also shows that we are about $800 shy of our goal. > If you are > >>>>>>> thinking of helping out on the gate project, please do so at > this time. > >>>>>>> Help support our continuing efforts to protect both the cave and its > >>>>>>> bats, and to demonstrate our commitment to the landowner. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jerry Atkinson > >>>>>>> Powell's Cave Landowner Liaison > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>>>>>> > Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com><mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com><mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>?>; > | > >>>>>>> Archives: > >>>>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/%3chttp://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/%3e>; > >>>>>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing > >>>>>>> list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > >>>>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >>>>>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>>>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> > | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >>>>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> > | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >>>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>>> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >>>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >>> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >>> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >> Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > > Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing > list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | > Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers%40texascavers.com/> > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing > list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers _______________________________________________Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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