Still, it seems there are things we can do, and must do, to slow the
process.

We humans need to change profoundly the way we live.
It will take a large cooperative effort, at the individual level and at
government levels worldwide.

We need to stop fighting wars and stop overconsuming the world's resources,
to preserve its natural wonders and wildlife, so that our kids will have
the opportunity to enjoy nature and, yes, caving.

Humans are inventive. Let's work on it.

Carol



On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 10:58 AM JamesJasek <[email protected]> wrote:

> There is almost no doubt that our grandchildren will grow up in a
> different world then we live in today. Our government has our country
> totally and completely screwed up I just don’t feel like we got a chance to
> survive I’m not so worried about myself but I’m definitely worried about my
> daughter and my granddaughter
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhoneX
>
> On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Charles Loving <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> *IPCC and the Green idea plans are based on the assumption that greenhouse
> gases can be removed from the atmosphere. That technology does not exist to
> scale needed at this time for obvious reasons of energy and land
> requirements. Paleoclimate records easily show us that you aren't going to
> simply stop global warming at +1.5-2 C by ending emissions (the current
> carbon dioxide equivalent concentration is 500 parts of million; 1700s
> concentration was ~275-280 ppm, even with other greenhouse gases). The 1.5
> C report last autumn suggested another 0.6 C of warming was locked in based
> on recent emissions and we must be net zero carbon by 2050; but this is
> based purely on emissions from *humans*, removal of carbon on scales of
> hundreds of gigatons (basically removing what took plants tens of millions
> of years to sequester...bind as solid matter via plant growth...in *tens of
> years*...really? With what energy source...what land?) and fast feedback
> sensitivity. Water vapor...loss of sea ice and albedo...some effects from
> clouds...other feedbacks which are clearly showing an exponential behavior
> are simply neglected in models. Even the feedbacks which are easily seen
> and more quantifiable are accelerating much faster than expected. The
> Permafrost is melting fast, methane is spewing, the oceans are getting
> warmer, the circulation in the atmosphere has changed. Are we on the road
> to extinction? Now that is a happy thought isn't it. Our grand babies might
> be doomed.*
>
>
> --
> Charlie Loving
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