There are Eurycea in Spring Creek Cave.
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 09:21:01 PM CDT, George Veni <gv...@nckri.org>
wrote:
Spring Creek Cave is the only cave on the El Max that I recall having perennial
water to potentially supportEurycea.
George
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From: Texascavers <texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>On Behalf Of
grub...@centurytel.net
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 20:05
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
What I'd like to find is references to any articles that William wrote or talks
he gave at TSA ec It'd also be nice to find what caves are in the area he was
talking about. Sam S Sweet remembers William mentioning the El Max but they
didnt find any salamander caves there so its not in his notes ( Sam was a grad
student from Berkley who worked on Eurycea salamanders in the 70s and made
really good field notes that present day salamander workers find very useful)
The El Max was 7200 acres so 12 square miles or 3 x 4 mile sized ranch
From:"George Veni" <gv...@nckri.org>
To: "texascavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 10:00:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
Andy,
There are many caves on the former El Max Ranch. The stratigraphy of the area
needs a closer look. To the east at Honey Creek we see a well-defined and
distinctive 9-m thick biostrome (a fossil reef bed) in which Honey Creek Cave
is formed. That biostrome unit isn't exposed in the El Max/CWAN area. Those
caves are stratigraphically higher in a part of the lower member of the Glen
Rose that clearly forms abundant caves there, but relatively few and smaller
caves to the east. Maybe this is simply a bias created by the properties cavers
had had permission to explore, or maybe there is something going on
geologically creating a true difference in cave development.
The USGS has conducted detailed geologic mapping north of Bexar County. They
recently completed some nice work in Comal County. I don't recall if they told
me they would be mapping in Kendall County, which would help answer these
questions, or if they just hoped for funding to map that county. Geary might
know.
George
(Sent from my mobile phone)
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George Veni, PhD
Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
and
President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
NCKRI address (primary)
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
Office: +575-887-5517
Mobile: +210-863-5919
Fax: +575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
UIS address
Titov trg 2
Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
-------- Original message --------
From:grub...@centurytel.net
Date: 8/17/19 19:56 (GMT-07:00)
To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] El Max ranch El Max limestone; Geology question
Does anyone remember the caves on the El Max ranch, Kendall county ? Does
anyone remember anything about the El Max limestone ? Way back in the 60s
cavers went to caves there. Bill Russell gave a talk, maybe wrote some
articles in the Texas Caver at the time about the geology of that area. He
suggested using the name El Max limestone for a very cavernous section of the
lower Glen Rose limestone that was prominently exposed on the El Max ranch.
These would be caves near the Guadalupe river ( I think) same sort of geologic
setting as Cave-with out a name, Spring Creek, Alzafar water cave. I remember
talking to William about this back in the 70s when we were looking for cave
salamanders and Kendall county was one of our favorite places to go. I also
sort of remember seeing something in a old TC or TSA convention notes. Looking
up the El Max ranch it was 7200 acres and had Guadalupe river frontage. Part
of it is now the Cordierra Ranch subdivision.
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