Pranam
Atleast for the past 2 decades what I had seen and did also in USA that
1 Remove the fire alarm from blaring and reconnect after the homam and / or
there is a chemical powder coming from India which when used does not
create any smoke but fire lights in a shallow height; and there is a
special homa vessel which is not heated up or damage the wooden floor.
Hence that is not the itent mentioned. May be all of us pray in any good
events to complete everything without any untoward happenings. It is a
psychological fear lest our efforts do not go to waste. K R IRS
241220
On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 10:12, Sithamalli Balasubramanian <
[email protected]> wrote:
> 1. Narayan Murthy has written "Why should untoward incidents happen etc...
> Reply: I had not wanted to participate in the debate. But Murthy's
> assertion above forces me to comment on it.
> If you are performing homam in the US, Japan or Europe it would be good to
> remember that houses in those countries are built of wood. Even the walls
> are made of wood because they have to pack insulation with glass wool.
> A small spark would reduce your celebration to ashes. If you want to
> perform homam, come to India. Our Mangal Karyalayas or Kalyana Mandapams
> are solidly built.
> Caution is the essence of wisdom.
> Even as I say this I am a Hindu by convection. The underlying axiom of
> Hinduism is "satyameva jayate na-anrtam". It means reality alone prevails;
> never the delusions.
> I am attaching my article on the subject.
> Skb.
>
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 at 09:12, narayanmurthyii murthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Why should untoward incident should happen when you are performing a
>> ritual in your house, with your money.If somebody objecting politely ask
>> them to vacate.
>> Sincerely yours,
>> Narayan Murthy.
>>
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>>
>> On Wed, Dec ee23, 2020 at 14:27, Narayanaswamy Subramanian
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dear folks
>>
>> Normal custom is that for sathaabhishegam and for shashti-abda-poorthi
>> the elaborate rudra-ekaadashini homam is done. This involves 12
>> Veda-Braahmanas well-versed in mahaanyaasam, rudram, chamakam, with
>> vasodhaarai done at the end of the homam.
>>
>> When carried out properly the homam itself may take several hours and
>> require special preparations.
>>
>> Sometimes it is difficult if not impossible to get together the 12
>> ritviks. Sometimes the celebrant's family simply cannot afford the expense.
>>
>> An acceptable substitute is having the kooshmaanda homam performed. This
>> requires services of only a single duly qualified and willing performer.
>> It can be done at home.
>>
>> This option was resorted to during the shashti-abda-poorthi of my eldest
>> son some time ago. The function went off smoothly without any untoward
>> incident. All present were fully satisfied.
>>
>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 03:06:30 PM GMT+8, Aps Mani <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Very interesting. More than 30% of the population of Japan is above 80!
>> Considering the spread of Old Persons home in Coimbatore, Pollachi etc., I
>> feel our population of the aged is also increasing heavily. Good for me as
>> I am in the category of 80+ though my wife is not.
>>
>> Any data on 80+ will be helpful, KR Sir. When I go to Tokyo, I become
>> suddenly young as there are a good percentage of the population in the
>> category of 90+. The gym I am a member of (courtesy my son) there are
>> about 25 members of 90+ and they greet me warmly as I am very young - may
>> be compared to them!
>> Mani
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 9:49 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Pranam
>> https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/12/80-over-80-most-influential-top-20.html?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email
>> (TNCR)
>> My favorites are Clint Eastwood, Harry belafonte , and Nancy peloci
>> , Can any one forget the west films Django? So for the tamil film had 30
>> minutes punching fights and I don't know who can stand up for 30 min
>> punches and fight? but Clint will enter the pub; rowdys make a hue and cry
>> and jibe at him; one will provoke him to DRAW; and next second Clint will
>> draw and shoot and the fight is over. Bela song Banana boat what a voice
>> and rhythm? ( https://youtu.be/PMigXnXMhQ4 ). Pelosi as a senator
>> created a hue and she was so beautiful swinging the USA cannot forget.
>> The unforgettable Indians 80s: Status in India
>>
>> - According to the Population Census 2011 there are nearly 104
>> million elderly persons (aged 60 years or above) in India; 53 million
>> females and 51 million males. A report released by the United Nations
>> Population Fund and HelpAge India suggests that the number of elderly
>> persons is expected to grow to 173 million by 2026.
>> - Both the share and size of elderly population is increasing over
>> time. From 5.6% in 1961 the proportion has increased to 8.6% in 20 11 .
>> For
>> males it was marginally lower at 8.2%, while for females it was 9.0%.
>> - As regards rural and urban areas, 71% of elderly population resides
>> in rural areas while 29 % is in urban areas.
>> - The life expectancy at birth during 2009-13 was 69.3 for females as
>> against 65.8 years for males. At the age of 60 years average remaining
>> length of life was found to be about 18 years (16.9 for males and 19.0 for
>> females) and that at age 70 was less than 12 years (10.9 for males and
>> 12.3
>> for females). Kerala has got the highest life expectancy at birth,
>> followed
>> by Maharashtra and Punjab. The life expectancy at birth in Kerala is 71.8
>> years and 77.8 years for males and females respectively as per the SRS
>> Report 2009 - 13.
>> - For 2013, the age specific death rate per 1000 population for the
>> age group 60 - 64 years was 19.7 for rural areas and 15.0 for urban areas.
>> Altogether it was 18.4 for the age group 60 - 64 years. As regards, sex -
>> wise, it was 20.7 for males and 16.1 for females.
>> - The old - age dependency ratio climbed from 10.9% in 1961 to 14.2%
>> in 2011 for India as a whole. For females and males , the value of the
>> ratio was 14.9 % and 13.6% in 2011.
>> - In rural areas , 66% of elderly men and 28% of elderly women were
>> working, while in urban areas only 46% of elderly men and about 11% of
>> elderly women were working.
>> - The percent of literates among elderly persons increased from 27%
>> in 1991 to 44% in 2011.The literacy rates among elderly females (28%) is
>> less than half of the literacy rate among elderly males (59%).
>> - Prevalence of heart diseases among elderly population was much
>> higher in urban areas than in rural parts.
>> - Most common disability among the aged persons was locomotor
>> disability and visual disability as per Census 2011.
>> - In the age - group of 60 - 64 years, 76% persons were married while
>> 22% were widowed. Remaining 2% were either never married or divorced.
>> - State - wise data on elderly population divulge that Kerala has
>> maximum proportion of elderly people in its population (12.6 per cent)
>> followed by Goa (11.2 per cent) and Tamil Nadu (10.4 per cent) as per
>> Population Census 2011. the least proportion is in Dadra & Nagar Haveli
>> (4.0 per cent) followed by Arunachal Pradesh (4.6 per cent) and Daman &
>> Diu
>> and Meghalaya (both 4.7 per cent).
>>
>> 2 Lack of Infrastructure (research materials)
>> With increasing longevity and debilitating chronic diseases, many elder
>> citizens will need better access to physical infrastructure in the
>> coming years. Lack of physical infrastructure is a major deterrent to
>> providing
>> comfort to the aged. Many elder citizens need better access
>> to physical infrastructure, both in their own homes and in public spaces.
>> Unattended chronic disease, unaffordable medicines and
>> treatment and malnutrition are part of old age life in India as there is no
>> system of affordable health care. Emphasis on geriatrics in the
>> public health system is limited with few dedicated geriatric services. The
>> other issues of the public health system are lack of infrastructure,
>> limited manpower, poor quality of care and overcrowding of facilities due
>> to insufficient focus on elderly care [4].
>> Changing Family Structure
>> The traditional Indian society with an age-old joint family system has
>> been instrumental in safeguarding the social and economic
>> security of the elderly people. The traditional norms and values of Indian
>> society also laid stress on showing respect and providing care
>> for the elderly. However with the emerging prevalence of nuclear family
>> set-ups in recent years, the elderly are likely to be exposed to
>> emotional, physical and financial insecurity in the years to come. There is
>> an upward trend in the living arrangement pattern of elderly staying
>> alone or with spouse only from 9.0% in 1992 to 18.7% in 2006 [5]. Family
>> care of the elderly seems likely to decrease in the future with
>> the economic development of the nation and modernization.
>> Lack of Social Support
>> The elderly in India are much more vulnerable because of the less government
>> spending on social security system. The elderly in urban
>> area rely primarily on hired domestic help to meet their basic needs in an
>> increasingly-chaotic and crowded city. Social isolation and
>> loneliness has increased [6]. Insurance cover that is elderly sensitive is
>> virtually
>> non- existent in India. In addition, the preexisting illnesses
>> are usually not covered making insurance policies unviable for the elders.
>> Pension and social security is also restricted to those who have
>> worked in the public sector or the organized sector of industry. In a study
>> by Lena et al. [7], almost half of the respondents felt neglected
>> and sad and felt that people had an indifferent attitude towards the elderly.
>> It was also found that 47% felt unhappy in life and 36.2% felt
>> they were a burden to the family.
>> Social Inequality
>> Elderly are a heterogeneous section with an urban and rural divide. They
>> are less vulnerable in rural areas as compared to their urban
>> counterparts, due to the still holding values of the joint family system
>> All the elderly are not seen in the same view as the needs and problems
>> of elderly are rejected to a vast extent as the government classifies
>> these people based on caste and other socio cultural dimensions. In a
>> case
>> study, it was found that a major proportion of the elderly women were poorer;
>> received the lowest income per person; had the greatest
>> percentage of primary level education; recorded the highest negative
>> affective
>> psychological conditions; were the least likely to have health
>> insurance coverage and they recorded the lowest consumption expenditure
>> [8].
>> Availability, Accessibility and Affordability of Health Care
>> Due to the ever increasing trend of nuclear families, elder care management
>> is getting more difficult, especially for working adult children who
>> find themselves responsible for their parents’ well-being. Managing
>> home care for the elderly is a massive challenge as multiple
>> service providers – nursing agencies, physiotherapists and medical suppliers
>> – are small, unorganized players who extend sub-optimal
>> care. In India, health insurance coverage is essentially limited to
>> hospitalization.
>> The concept of geriatric care has remained a neglected
>> area of medicine in the country. Despite an aging population, geriatric care
>> is relatively new in many developing countries like India with
>> many practicing physicians having little knowledge of the clinical and
>> functional
>> implications of aging [9-11]. Not many institutes offer the
>> geriatrics course, and even takers are few. Most of the government facilities
>> such as day care centres, old age residential homes,
>> counselling and recreational facilities are urban based. The geriatric
>> outpatient
>> department services are mostly available at tertiary care
>> hospitals [12]. Reaching to 75% of the elderly that reside in rural areas
>> with
>> geriatric care will be challenging. Dhar [13] has pointed out the
>> relative neglect in provision of facilities for patient care as well as
>> training
>> and development in geriatrics in the Indian context. As
>> pointed by Dey et al. [14], the key challenges to access and affordability
>> for
>> elderly population include reduced mobility, social and structural
>> barriers, wage loss, familial dependencies, and declining social engagement.
>> The stigma of aging is another social barrier to access of
>> health in addition to the health and social conditions the elderly commonly
>> face such as dementia, depression, incontinence and
>> widowhood [15].
>> Economic Dependency
>> As per the 52nd round of National Sample Survey Organization, nearly
>> half of the elderly are fully dependent on others, while another
>> 20 percent are partially dependent for their economic needs [16]. About
>> 85% of the aged had to depend on others for their day to day
>> maintenance. The situation was even worse for elderly females [17]. The
>> elders living with their families are largely contingent on the
>> economic capacity of the family unit for their economic security and well
>> being. Elderly often do not have financial protection such as
>> sufficient pension and other forms of social security in India. The single
>> most
>> pressing challenge to the welfare of older people is poverty, which
>> is a multiplier of risk for abuse [18]. Also due to their financial
>> dependence,
>> elderly persons though are most vulnerable to infections
>> have low priority for their own health. Migration of younger generation, lack
>> of proper care in the family, insufficient housing, economic
>> hardship and break-up of joint family have made the old age homes seem
>> more relevant even in the Indian context [19].
>> It is important to understand the social aspects concerning ageing in the
>> country as they go through the process of ageing. Increased life
>> expectancy, rapid urbanization and lifestyle changes have led to an emergence
>> of varied problems for the elderly in India. It must be
>> remembered that comprehensive care to the elderly is possible only with
>> the involvement and collaboration of family, community and the
>> Government. India should prepare to meet the growing challenge of caring
>> for its elderly population. All social service institutions in the
>> countries need to address the social challenges to elderly care in order
>> to improve their quality of life. There is a need to initiate requisite
>> and
>> more appropriate social welfare programmes to ensure life with dignity for
>> the elderly. In addition, there is also a need to develop an integrated
>> and responsive system to meet the care needs and challenges of elderly in
>> India.
>> 3 In these groups: How many in 80+ andariki vandanamulu.
>> 4 Sathabishakam: ( one who had seen 1000 crescent moon): Sathabhishekam
>> is word for “sahastra chandrashanam”. It was being performed in brahmin
>> families usually all over India earlier. Let us calculate at what age a
>> person complete sahasra Chandra Darshanam in his life inclusive of “Adhik
>> Masa”. For every 3 years, one adhik masa comes for 30 years 10 adhik
>> masa. So the total Chandra darshan in 30 years becomes 30×12 + 10 = 370.
>> For 60 years Chandra darshan became 740 No's. For the next 21 years it
>> becomes 740 + 21× 12 + 7 = 740 + 252 + 7 = 740 + 259 = 999. So total years
>> come 81 years one month. But it is to be noted that the function is to
>> be performed in Uttarayana only.
>> 4A *” Nithyannadaatha, Tharunaagnihothree, Maasopavaasee cha
>> Pathivrathaa cha || Vedanthavith ChandraSahasrajeevi Shatjvandaneeyaa
>> Mamajeevaloke'” || *
>> While all in this universe worships Krishna Bhagawan, Bhagawan
>> himself worships the following six classes of individuals. They
>> are:1.One who does annadaanam daily 2.One who has performed Soma Yaagam at
>> a young age and continuing with Agnihothram daily ( Soma Yaagam should be
>> performed before the hair grays) 3.Maasopavaasam is a Prayaschitta Karma
>> and who has performed this ( Some opine that Maasopavasam means night
>> fasting on amavasya, Pournami and Sundays, day fasting on ashtami and
>> chaturdashi and full fasting on ekadasi throughout their life). 4 .A
>> woman selflessly serving her husband without minding the hardship. 5.One
>> who has studied Vedas and Upanishads with meaning and follows what is said
>> in that. And 6.One who has seen 1000 full moon. It is said that on this
>> occasion Devas,prabhus and Pithrus visit the performer’s house and rejoice.
>> In olden days the person on his sathabhishekam would have had great grand
>> –son through son ( son’s son’s son ). The person is able to see three
>> generation of his progeny and is relieved of all his sins. He is worshipped
>> by all and most important thing that we should do is that we should offer
>> namaskaram to such persons.It is explained that a person having completed
>> the age of 80 years, 10 months would have passed through 1000 moon (either
>> full moon can be reckoned or Modoroju/moondram pirai).(29 days has one full
>> moon and if one calculates by the number of days for the period given it
>> crosses 1000 full moons exactly.){ vide para 4} It is full moon days
>> which has to be counted to reckon the herb-collective energies of the full
>> moon and to signify the completion or poornatwam and not new moons as some
>> follow. This is a shanthi Karma to ward off the impediments of health and
>> other factors of ageing. In this function doing Poojas, and japa, homas to
>> following devathas are worshipped: 1) Brahma in his five appearances
>> -namely Prajapathi; Hiranyagarbha; Parameshtee; Chathurmukha and Brahma. He
>> is worshipped using Kumbha-brahman or 5 Kalashas.After Japa, thomas and
>> puja the holy water from the Kumbham is used for performing the abhishekam
>> of the individual .5 Kalashas are kept. Daanam, Nireekshitha Aajya danam
>> etc are part of the rituals. (Everyone irrespective of age does the
>> abhishekam as the couple are equivalent to Rudradevata and Brahmamaitreya
>> combined at that time!) 2) Shiva, (mruthyunjaya rudra) 3) Vishnu (lakshmi
>> narayana) 4) Navagraha (sun, moon, mars, mer, jup ,ven, sat, rahu, kethu)
>> 5) Seven ‘chiranjevies’ (immortal souls), namely… 1) aswathama 2) mahabala
>> 3) veda vyasa 4) hanuman 5) vibheshana 6) krupacharya and 7) parasurama 6)
>> Aayur devathas. Gods of the life 7) 8 dik palakas. Gods for directions.
>> These are: indra; agny; yama; niruruthy; varuna; vayu; kubera; esana, etc.
>> Ekadasa Rudra japam (Rudra Ekadasinee) with Mahanyasa
>> .Rudrabhishekam.kramarchana is also performed on the previous day of
>> Sathabhishekam. It is a maha prayaschitham to rid off all the sins and to
>> invoke the blessing of Shiva.This function is performed to father or
>> grand-father by son ,daughter, grandson, relations. It is one of the sacred
>> duties of the children to arrange this for the elders. Performing of
>> Rudra Ekadasi, Mangalya dharanam, Sumangali Prarthanai etc are performed
>> as per customs prevalent in the family. Since the couple for whom the
>> sathabhishekam is performed are great by all means as aforesaid, they are
>> taken in a procession on an elephant or horse drawn chariot or a decorated
>> car along the streets of the village or town with Veda Parayanam and after
>> visiting a temple they give charity. It is also a great moment of joy for
>> all relatives and a time for family reunion and forgetting past mistakes
>> and hurts! It is also said that after the sathabhishekam, whatever the
>> couple say will come out correct(at least for that day when the event is
>> done.). So we must take blessings for our spiritual and then material
>> benefits from them that day.
>> 4B The celebration procedure vary a little all over India
>> according to their dharma and also performed right on 80 to 80+ 10 m; the
>> age is calculated from one system right as baby in the womb after 3 months
>> so that at birth it is 7 months old and so 80th year is virtually 967
>> months; some do as in para 4A 970 months. There may be hot disputes in
>> these columns with the usual abuses, on this count. 960 months to 970
>> months is OK. The principle behind is even God respects them. At the same
>> time, this age which is only a number, denotes that they are fully matured
>> to be addressed as PERIYAVA" and those who do not it is their misfortunes
>> of Karma only. Thank you. KR IRS 231220
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 08:17, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
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