Rajaram Sir,
I often congratulate myself for provoking and unearthing the fund of
insightful knowledge,Savants like you possess.
YM

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:16 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Pranam
>     Please go through:
>
> NATURE AND HUMAN NATURE
>
>  {WEST AND SCIENCE}:           Within the various uses of the word today,
> "nature" often refers to geology and wildlife
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildlife>. Nature can refer to the general
> realm of living plants and animals, and in some cases to the processes
> associated with inanimate objects—the way that particular types of things
> exist and change of their own accord, such as the weather and geology of
> the Earth <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth>. It is often taken to
> mean the "natural environment
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_environment>" or wilderness
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilderness>—wild animals, rocks, forest,
> and in general those things that have not been substantially altered by
> human intervention, or which persist despite human intervention. For
> example, manufactured objects and human interaction generally are not
> considered part of nature, unless qualified as, for example, "human nature"
> or "the whole of nature". This more traditional concept of natural things
> that can still be found today implies a distinction between the natural and
> the artificial, with the artificial being understood as that which has been
> brought into being by a human consciousness
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness> or a human mind
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind>. Depending on the particular
> context, the term "natural" might also be distinguished from the unnatural
> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unnatural> or the supernatur
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural>AL.
>
>                  Although humans <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans> 
> comprise
> only a minuscule proportion of the total living biomass
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass_(ecology)> on Earth, the human
> effect on nature
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environment> is
> disproportionately large. Because of the extent of human influence, the
> boundaries between what humans regard as nature and "made environments" is
> not clear cut except at the extremes. Even at the extremes, the amount of
> natural environment that is free of discernible human influence is
> diminishing at an increasingly rapid pace. A 2020 study published in *Nature
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_(journal)>* found that
> anthropogenic mass (human-made materials) outweighs all living biomass on
> earth, with plastic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_pollution> alone
> exceeding the mass of all land and marine animals combined.[73]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature#cite_note-73> And according to a
> 2021 study published in *Frontiers in Forests and Global Change*, only
> about 3% of the planet's terrestrial surface is ecologically and faunally
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fauna> intact, with a low human footprint
> and healthy populations of native animal species.    The development of
> technology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology> by the human race
> has allowed the greater exploitation of natural resources
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation_of_natural_resources> and has
> helped to alleviate some of the risk from natural hazards
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hazards>. In spite of this
> progress, however, the fate of human civilization
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization> remains closely linked to
> changes in the environment. There exists a highly complex feedback loop
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop> between the use of advanced
> technology and changes to the environment that are only slowly becoming
> understood. Man-made threats to the Earth's natural environment include
> pollution <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution>, deforestation
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation>, and disasters such as oil
> spills. Humans have contributed to the extinction
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction> of many plants and
> animals, with roughly 1 million species threatened with extinction within
> decades.  The loss of biodiversity
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiversity_loss> and ecosystem functions
> over the last half century have impacted the extent that nature can
> contribute to human quality of life,  and continued declines could pose a
> major threat to the continued existence of human civilization, unless a
> rapid course correction is made.
>
>                       Some fields of science see nature as matter in
> motion, obeying certain laws of nature which science seeks to understand.
> For this reason the most fundamental science is generally understood to be "
> physics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics>"—the name for which is
> still recognizable as meaning that it is the "*study of nature*". Matter
> is commonly defined as the substance of which physical objects are
> composed. It constitutes the observable universe
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe>. The visible
> components of the universe are now believed to compose only 4.9 percent of
> the total mass. The remainder is believed to consist of 26.8 percent cold
> dark matter <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_dark_matter> and 68.3
> percent dark energy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy>.  The
> exact arrangement of these components is still unknown and is under
> intensive investigation by physicists. The behaviour of matter and energy
> throughout the observable universe appears to follow well-defined physical
> laws <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law>. These laws have been
> employed to produce cosmological
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_cosmology> models that
> successfully explain the structure and the evolution of the universe we can
> observe. The mathematical expressions of the laws of physics employ a set
> of twenty physical constants
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant>  that appear to be
> static across the observable universe.  The values of these constants have
> been carefully measured, but the reason for their specific values remains a
> mystery.
>
>  (INDIA AND NATURE AND VEDAS)                    Ancient treasures of
> vast knowledge reveal a full cognizance of the undesirable effects of
> environmental degradation, whether caused by natural factors or human
> activities. The protection of the environment was understood to be closely
> related to the protection of the dyaus or heavens and prithvi or earth.
> Between these two lies the atmosphere and the environment that we refer to
> as the paryavaran. Many of the Rig Vedic hymns therefore vividly describe
> the Dyava Prithvi that is, they describe Heaven and Earth together. The Rig
> Veda venerates deities like Mitra, Varuna, Indra, Maruts and Aditya, that
> are responsible for maintaining the requisite balance in the functioning of
> all entities of Nature whether the mountains, lakes, heaven and earth, the
> forests or the waters. Seers recognised that changes caused due to
> indiscreet human activities could result in imbalances in seasons, rainfall
> patterns, crops and atmosphere and degrade the quality of water, air, and
> earth resources.  All four major Vedas the Rig, Sama, Yajur and Atharva
> Vedas  recognise the importance of maintenance of the seasons' cycles that
> are likely to get altered due to the climate change owing to inappropriate
> human actions. It is remarkable that the people in Vedic times regarded
> Nature and the environment in a holistic manner and revered each of its
> constituents and entities by carefully preserving them. "Do not harm the
> environment; do not harm the water and the flora; earth is my mother, I am
> her son; may the waters remain fresh, do not harm the waters...
> Tranquillity be to the atmosphere, to the earth, to the waters, to the
> crops and vegetation." This Vedic prayer invokes divine intervention to
> bless and protect the environment.
>
>                    Rig Veda the first literary work of ours presents the
> noble concept of man nature relationship in the universe. The hymns of Rig
> Veda view man only as the manifestation of the same reality of cosmos with
> equal importance. It is deeply rooted in the Indian philosophical concept
> of Monism (Advaitha). “Nobody thought of an existence that was apart from
> nature, which is the basis of man’s existence. His duty is to protect
> nature and accept what nature offers”. (V. Rajeev: 2008). In our ancient
> tradition and in literature Nature was worshiped with same importance given
> to other deities. “Man and nature were in perfect harmony, enjoying the
> abundance and the bliss of the supreme. The sacred rivers like Ganga,
> Yamuna Saraswathy and Kaveri were worshiped as mother goddesses from
> ancient time. According to Vedic Tradition the cause of existence of man in
> the universe is due to the blessings of nature and the compassion of mother
> earth and her prosperity. The majority of Vedic hymns are the prayers of
> man to nature goddess. Rig Veda refers mainly the Sun God (Savithav) the
> source of energy, Water (Varuna) the god of water and other gods like
> Ushas, Yama, Rudra, Puusha, and Agni also were the manifestations gods. “In
> the incipient golden era, the spiritual vision, thoughts and actions of
> mankind were not contaminated by corruption of any kind. Man and nature
> were in perfect harmony, enjoying the abundance and the bliss of the
> supreme”. (Swami Gururethnam Jana Thapaswi: 2010). Human beiges pray for
> the blessings and abundance of harvest and prosperity. “The Veda wants
> every member of a society to have a vocation and to work not only for one’s
> livelihood but also to achieve noble ends. Ushas, the Goddess of Dawn, is
> associated with men’s active life.” (Avinash Chandra Bose: 1965) Many of
> them are fertility Goddess also. Rig Veda narrates the spiritual transition
> of man to a stage were man and nature are one and same. This is already
> pointed out in the last chapters of Eashavasya Upanishad of
> Shuklayajurveda. Here it explains that all the micro and macro materials in
> the universe are preserved by the sprit of God. This cosmos is God itself.
> All the living and inanimate objects are the manifestations of God. The
> earth is the limbs of God, Atmosphere is the abdomen, sky is the head, sun
> and moon are eyes and four corners are the years. Universe & Physical mass
> are the two stages (phases) of the Almighty. That means all the organic
> and non organic substance in the universe is the manifestations of God.
> Worship them; live with them, because these two are one and same. This
> unique spiritual relation of man and nature is the core concept of Indian
> ecology. The Purushasuktha in Rig Veda is the scientific truth of the
> structure and components of the cosmos. The prime cause of Vedic history is
> that, all the living and non living creators and natural phenomenon in the
> planet are the part of the divine power. “It has been believed that the
> very sound of the Vedic hymns, called ‘Sabda Brahman’, The Veda as a mere
> succession of sounds, sets in to motion blissful vibrations in the
> atmosphere and works for the wellbeing and peace of the whole world. The
> invocation of universal peace forms    a solemn close to Yajnas” (Avinash
> Chandra Bose: 1965). The river, mountain, stars and trees are divine and
> sacred to Indians. Like Rig Veda, The Atharva Veda is also filled with
> prayers to nature and man’s organic relationship with the eco-systems. Among
> this Bhoomisukatha is also has equal importance. It is also known as
> Mathrubhumisukthom, as mother earth is considered as the mother of all the
> organic and inorganic substance in it. In Atharva Veda the earth is the
> holy mother and all the creatures in the universe are the offspring of the
> earth; the eternal sky is the universal father. The mother earth is to be
> worshipped as Adithi, the goddess. The noble sky is the brother and it
> dissolves all the sins and showers blessings on creatures. Make it remain
> lively as it is, this is the duty of human being. Man must not become an
> obstacle in the course of Nature’s journey forward. This is the holy
> message the Atharva Veda gives. “The Hindu system worship was not confined
> to the propitiation of Gods and demigods, for the whole of the nature were
> in some sense divine. ….. Not only men, but animals and plants were and
> still are holly, notably the cow.” After cow, Snake was perhaps the most
> revered animal of ancient India. (Basham, A. L., 1992) Even the mountains
> and rocks were also considered as divine. Trees were also worshiped. Each
> village had its sacred tree and sacred groves where supernatural powers and
> Goddess were present. Sacred groves are very common in South India where
> Serpent Gods were worshipped. To Indians, everything in the universe is
> divine with religious sanctity. This shows the cult of deep eco-
> consciousness of our ancient people and their harmonious life with nature.
>
>  (conclusion)               In modern and western concept man and nature
> are different entities. Man is the supreme and he has the power to
> interfere in the natural discourse of nature. In India it starts from the
> intrusion of colonial powers. The western concept of world is
> anthropocentric where man is the centre of the universe. The western
> concept of colonial modernity reinforced this man centred philosophy. As a
> result eco[1]centrism was replaced by anthropocentrism.  Now where the
> people who accuse the opposite write up as against the nature, had not
> adhered to the Vedic concepts and changed the life style and the pattern
> and that is the main cause of the imbalances today*. Then who is to be
> accused? Please change to Vedas before going to the Nature*. K R IRS
> 111121
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 at 07:03, Markendeya Yeddanapudi <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Mar*Nature, the Arena of Problems and Automatic Solutions
>>
>>
>>
>> In nature, there is no problem which has no solution; there are always
>> solutions that actually take one to the better. Nature continuously
>> improves; every tragedy actually is the stepping stone to a better
>> situation, of success, of completely undoing the tragedy. This process is
>> life.
>>
>> Look at a Volcano that spews lava. After the Volcano calms, the Lava,
>> changes into the most fertile soil, where the purposeful soil bacteria, the
>> tiny Gods and Goddesses, create wonderful flora and fauna.
>>
>> Look at the devastation created, by an earthquake or cyclone. The
>> destruction and devastation may create the most putrefied smells after the
>> destruction. But from that destruction, one finds the tiny flowers
>> sprouting, the flowers attracting bees, creating more plants, creating the
>> life giving photosynthesis, resulting in thick flora and fauna, where the
>> organisms create the symbiotic rapture. Nature always improves.
>> Improvements are solutions.
>>
>> Now look at the destruction caused by the pollution of a factory. The
>> pollution creates putridity, the ever expanding putridity, with no solution
>> for the better. The putridity expands into many diseases, genetic defects,
>> and creating economists who continuously impose the technological fixes,
>> the technological fixes creating more problems, on and on. We fall into the
>> abyss of economics, where problems grow, develop branches; create more
>> problems, leaving no opportunity to nature to solve the problems.
>>
>> Now technology is growing tentacles. First a writer fantasizes something
>> impossible and absurd. Then we find the cinema taking over creating an
>> absorbing story. Then in dozens of Universities in the west and also in
>> Russia, students and teachers team up to create a technology that makes the
>> absurdity into a possibility via technology. There are efforts to upload
>> electrodes in the injection or tablet or attachment form, into a person, so
>> that when it is switched on, one becomes an instant karate expert, who can
>> beat anyone or a physicist, or an engineer or doctor...
>>
>> These are now in the realm of fantasy, science fiction and cinemas. But
>> research is going on to make the science fiction into a fact. The hysteria
>> is to make the processes of nature; the Biospheric symbiosis of nature,
>> unnecessary.Technology is now geared to speed up life, a life which is not
>> part of nature, the macro physical connection that creates emotions and the
>> basic emotional meanings of life.
>>
>> The very phrase economic development today means, the destruction of
>> nature. The clear fact is, Ecology is sanity while economics is lunacy.
>>
>> Nature has an inbuilt mechanism of creating livelihood for every organism
>> including the human organism. Economics must be based in accordance of the
>> scheme of nature, the tenets of ecology, and assuming away, for convenience
>> and indulging in the make believe, employment multipliers, income
>> multiplier etc,may satisfy one’s ego for the impressive mathematics, the
>> incongruous mathematics, but that make believe, advanced economic theory
>> can never become reality, without environmental pollution.
>>
>> A human being is basically emotional and he can never be the economic
>> man, who behaves like a machine unnaturally. Nature invariably solves
>> problems and creates a better situation. Economics creates unsolvable
>> problems only. Happiness is possible only, when one teams up with nature
>> and feels that life means not economic problems but continuous emotional
>> rapture as part of the Biosphere. Happiness is, sensing, perceiving,
>> understanding and living along with every other organism of the Biosphere.
>> But we are now busy eliminating the flora and fauna and filling up the
>> earth with machines, toxic air, toxic water and toxic land, and writing
>> about it is PhD spinner. We are now getting cyborged, with many mechanical
>> parts attached or implanted into our body and when we surrender to
>> technology completely, there may be Robots only which do not need pure air,
>> water and land.
>>
>> Today, you write something about the vital need to protect nature. But in
>> response someone writes about an engineering problem or the problem of
>> managing economic problems with more technology. The original write up gets
>> killed and one finds write ups in economics and technology, as
>> responses!!!!!!
>>
>> Nature and nature’s symbiosis have no place in every discourse.
>>
>> YM
>>
>>
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