Rangarajanji sent a link https://www.humancondition.com/the-interview/#transcript and my thoughts were: HUMAN CONDITION PERSPECTIVE PSYCHOLOGICAL ONLY 1 So saying our competitive and aggressive behaviour comes from savage competitive and aggressive instincts in us is simply not true—it’s just a convenient excuse we have used while we waited for the psychosis -acknowledging-and-solving, *real* explanation of our present competitive and aggressive human condition! *2 Jeremy*: Yes, our egocentric and arrogant and mean and vindictive and even sadistic behaviour has nothing to do with wanting to reproduce our genes. *That was absurd*. And it is actually really good news that our behaviour is due to a conscious-mind-based psychologically troubled condition because psychoses can be healed with understanding. If our competitive and aggressive behaviour was due to us having savage instincts then we would be stuck with that born-with, hard-wired, innate behaviour. It would mean we could only ever hope to restrain and control those supposedly brutal instincts. But since our species’ divisive behaviour is due to a psychosis, that divisive behaviour *can* be cured with healing understanding. So that *is* very good news. In fact, incredibly exciting news, because *with understanding we can finally end our psychologically troubled human condition. It’s the understanding of ourselves that we needed to heal the pain in our brains and become sound and sane again*. 3 (And ‘upset’ is the right word for our condition because while we are not ‘evil’ or ‘bad’, we are definitely psychologically upset from having to participate in humanity’s heroic search for knowledge. ‘Corrupted’ and ‘fallen’ have been used to describe our condition, but they have negative connotations that we can now appreciate are undeserved, so ‘upset’ is a better word.) 4 So Adam’s intellect or ‘ego’ (ego being just another word for the intellect since the *Concise Oxford Dictionary* defines *‘ego’* as *‘the conscious thinking self’ *(5th edn, 1964)) became ‘centred’ or focused on the need to justify itself—Adam became ego-centric, selfishly preoccupied aggressively competing for opportunities to prove he is good and not bad, to validate his worth, to get a ‘win’; to essentially eke out any positive reinforcement that would bring him some relief from his criticising instincts. He unavoidably became self-preoccupied or selfish, and aggressive and competitive. 5 The answer is that while it has been recognised—even from ancient times—that the emergence of our conscious mind somehow caused us to ‘fall from grace’, or however you want to describe the corruption of our original innocent cooperative, selfless and loving instinctive state, it wasn’t until science revealed the difference between the gene-based and nerve-based learning systems—which is that genes can orientate but nerves need to understand—that we were finally in a position to explain the good reason for our angry, egocentric and alienated human condition. 6 Yes, that’s right, and in 360 BC Hesiod’s Greek compatriot Plato gave this very similar description of our species’ pre-conscious time in innocence. He wrote: *‘there was a time when…we beheld the beatific vision and were initiated into a mystery which may be truly called most blessed, celebrated by us in our state of innocence, before we had any experience of evils to come, when we were admitted to the sight of apparitions innocent and simple and calm and happy, which we beheld shining in pure light, pure ourselves and not yet enshrined in that living tomb which we carry about, now’* 7 Precisely, it’s only in the last 150 years or so that science has given us A: the ability to know that the gene-based natural selection process gives species orientations to the world; and B: the knowledge of our nerves and how they are able to remember events, which, much developed, has led to our mind being able to sufficiently understand the relationship between cause and effect to become conscious of, or aware of, or intelligent about those relationships. So that’s only happened in the last 150 years, but since the fossil record of our ancestors suggests that our large association-cortexed, thinking, fully conscious brain appeared some 2 million years ago, that means for almost all of the 2 million years we have been conscious we have had no ability to explain and understand why we corrupted our original innocent instinctive self or soul. *And without that redeeming explanation the only way we could cope with the astronomical guilt of having destroyed ‘Eden’, has been to deny we ever lived in a cooperative and loving innocent state—and that’s exactly where the excuse that we have savage competitive and aggressive instincts like other animals came to our rescue*. *8 And, false as it is, it’s been an absolutely brilliant excuse because instead of our instincts being all-loving and thus unbearably condemning of our present non-loving state, they are made out to be vicious and brutal must-reproduce-your-genes instincts like other animals; and, instead of our conscious mind being the instinct-defying cause of our corruption, it was made out to be the blameless mediating ‘hero’ that had to step in and try to control those supposed vicious instincts within us*! And those who dared to admit the truth of our cooperative and loving past, like Hesiod and Plato, were dismissed as deluded romantics, and the whole idea of an innocent, Edenic past was said to be nothing more than a nostalgia for the security and maternal warmth of infancy, that it was *‘never an historical state’* as the Jungian psychologist Erich Neumann said in his book *The Origins and History of Consciousness* (1949, 9 To appreciate how much upset exists in us humans now, imagine living for just one day with the injustice of being condemned as bad, even evil, when you intuitively knew but were unable to explain that you were actually the complete opposite of evil, namely truly wonderful, good and meaningful—in fact not just good but the *hero of the story of life on Earth*! You would be hurt to the core and furious wouldn’t you! Now extrapolate that experience over 2 million years and we can begin to appreciate just how much volcanic frustration and *anger* must now exist within us humans! While we have learnt to significantly restrain and conceal—‘civilise’ as we refer to it—the phenomenal amount of upset within us, under the surface we all must be boiling with rage, and sometimes, when our restraint can no longer find a way to contain it, that anger must express itself—hence our capacity for shocking acts of cruelty, sadism, hate, murder and war. 10 And no wonder we have led such an evasive, denial-practising, lying, avoid-any-criticism, escapist, *alienated*, superficial and artificial, greedy, *egocentric*, power, fame, fortune and glory-seeking existence. We have *had* to smother ourselves with *material* glory while we lacked the *spiritual* glory of compassionate understanding of ourselves. 11 *In fact, to continue using the old artificial defenses of retaliation, denial and the search for relieving power, fame, fortune and glory when our fundamental goodness has been established is not only clearly pointless but also unnecessarily destructive of ourselves, everyone around us and our planet*. That way of living is now completely obsoleted, finished with. 12 With this end of lying in mind, there’s one more thing I should explain, which is that socialism, the new age movement, the politically correct movement, and all the other idealistic movements, were actually all *false starts* to a human-condition-free world because the upsetting battle to find knowledge, ultimately self-knowledge, the psychologically relieving understanding of why we are good and not bad, still had to be completed. In fact, while dogmatically insisting that everyone should be cooperative and loving could make you feel that you were doing good and be superficially psychologically very relieving, such insistence on ideal behaviour denied people the freedom they needed to be able to continue the all-important upsetting search for knowledge. These movements were *pseudo idealistic movements* that stifled and oppressed the search for the understanding of our corrupted condition that was needed to *actually* free us from that state. They were regressive, not progressive as they deluded themselves they were. It was actually the right-wing who supported the upsetting battle to find knowledge that held the moral highground, not the pseudo idealistic left-wing. 13 The culture of the Left made people superficially feel good but it was dangerously dishonest, it was fake—it was bullshit. Being concerned for others and the world is *very* important, but doing that to make yourself feel good is a dangerously selfish sickness, indeed it’s the most destructive of all drug addictions—and it’s been taking over the world. As I explain in my free book, *Death by Dogma*, dogma is not the cure, it’s the poison. 14 So finding understanding of the human condition brings to an end the insecure, upset, artificial-reinforcement-dependent angry, egocentric and alienated world. A new human-condition-resolved, cooperative, selfless and loving world now emerges. Light comes streaming into the dark cave-like world of denial that we have been living in, and it will all be like waking up from a nightmare! 15 Basically, with the ability to understand ourselves, we can return to our original cooperative and loving state, but this time fully conscious. As the poet T.S. Eliot anticipated, *‘We shall not cease from exploration and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time’ *(*Little Gidding,* 1942). 16 IN SHORT, THE PSYCHOLOGIST SAYS THAT HARD CORE THAMASA OR RAJAS GUNA -GENES- DOES NOT MAKE ANY ONE AGGRESSIVE TO PROGRESS BY HOOK OR CROOK; BUT, THE HUMILIATIONS SUFFERED, DRIVES ONE TO PROGRESS BY HOOK OR CROOK, NERVES, SENSE PRESSURES AND EMOTIONS. 17 So, hardworking is the consequential process of the failure and the consequential, humiliations suffered, as a DRIVING FORCE; no other factors like fate or providential, karma or nishkama karma etc, but THROWN BACK TO THE WALL has the REBOUNCES. Hence in the words of T S Eliot, keep moving till you succeed. This is the psycho-analysis of Gerry. 18 Psycho analysis is governed by logic on the basis of the facts experimented; logic has two faces 1 fallacy and 2 True. For both the statement shall be universal. HAS ALL THE BALLS THROWN ON THE WALLS, REBOUNCE? Depends on how we throw each time; and whether the ball has any puncture. Whether the wall is undulated so that each time we throw spots does vary, redirecting the curve according to the surface of the wall? THAT MEANS UNLESS CONDITIONED 100% IN ALL RESPECTS, REBOUNCING NEED NOT BE UNIFORM AND UNIVERSAL. Of course, efforts shall not GO unrewarded. DEIVATHAR AAGADENININUM, MUYARTCHI MEI VARUTHAK KOOLY THARUM. This means nothing can happen without HIS grace; however, right efforts as input, shall be rewarded; it means it need not be one crore; may be on lakh; Coolly is a variable factor; but sure to gain. But never what was our goal. REBOUNCINGS ARE EFFORTS; EFFORTS SHALL BE REWARDED BUT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE EXPECTATIONS. KAMYA KARMA GAINING THE ACCURATE END AND NOT GETTING THAT END, VISUALISED, HAVE SOME FACTORS, OUTSIDE THE EFFORTS.
19 ADAM could only have a vector dress and biting the desire and could not know from the falling apple the gravity. Adam was not rebellious because there was no huge crowd before him, devouring his wife. There was no bigger society and sharing the booty shall never alter at all. In the ancient time, there was life; there was the desire, to know many things; only knowledge seeking was there or to lead a peaceful life with the food, dress and residence available, for a song. Today the same song has become prohibitive to acquire. Where there is availability, in plenty, the desire to own does not arise. Where there is the desire to possess the war had to be fought, even if Putin's system is erroneous; defence has to be applied. Hence RAMA had to fight in treta yagnam whereas Kritha yagnam had plenty. Plenty means 200 fruit per day for 2 people, falling on earth and feeding the two yet is surplus. Where the mind thinks, existence is inevitable to capture. The strength is one factor; Buddhi is another factor; failure to bounce back is another; surprise elements are also factors; thus, the road to success is unmeasurable by mere Psychology, because Psychology did the work only by hit and run success. KR IRS 27922 On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 18:42, Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > https://www.humancondition.com/the-interview/#transcript > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoooU4kjwmokNqoUCWqE1Th8xj%3DQNdSHErqc46_0Z%3DEDTw%40mail.gmail.com.
