NEWTON LAW NOW; YOU RAISED SO YOU HAVE TO REAP. WORMS ARE CREATURES; YOU ARE A SANGU WORM SO THE POOR CREATURE. READ SUBHASHINI WRITTEN FOR YOU CHANGE GOPALA. OR ELSE NEWTON LAW WILL REPEAT. SO MANY PEOPLE ARE READING IT. I AM NOT THAT GURU WHOM YOU CALLED AS GURU MANY TIMES AND THEN OVERTHREW HIM. I HAVE NO GOOD ROOM FOR THE JOKERS. KR IRS 211022
On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 14:14, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > Mr Gopalakrishnan Do not blabber; I don't use low stuffs which you do; so > i need not learn all; engineering and technology are far far reach ; and > industrial testing is not needed for home fans; in my home every fan is > running along the ACs day and night , that too in the last 3 1/2 years of > corona time , they run a lot; I am paying high electricity bill; I have no > problem; if you think you have , you have to study a lot; please do; but > never say that KUPPURA VEEZHUNDAALUM MEESAIYILE MANN OTTALE" EVEN AFTER > FALLING DOWN SAND DID NOT OUCH THE MOUCHE. THANK YOU K RAJARAM IRS > 211022 > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 13:22, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> RESPECTED SIR, >> >> Kindly read once again the member wrote forwarded by you- The most >> important point I am copying and pasting below:- >> >> It is necessary to test ( before start using) These motors for 8 hours >> running continuously at full load and checking the stabilized motor >> winding temperatures as well as the winding insulation strength. If the >> motor/fan combination passes this test , then it is released for >> continuous running at any load for even one year >> >> Read the clause he has written.* Read the instruction sheet coming with >> the 65 W or lesser watts now and write to me how many hours it can run >> continuously.* >> >> *Probably you would have watched in TV the news item, one of the staff >> forgot to switch OFF old fan in the secretariat of Kerala while leaving >> office, resulting in warming of motor and burning and falling fire >> destroyed files kept on the side rack and table a few month's back* >> >> >> *I am sure you will again beat around the bush. Poor creature is the best >> name fit to you and not me .* >> >> On Friday, 21 October, 2022 at 09:29:33 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> A member wrote on continuous running of fan as : "Leave alone the small >> fans used at homes! In the power plants there are huge fans driven by >> electric motors of ratings. 1000 kw and more. It is necessary to test ( >> before start using) These motors for 8 hours running continuously at >> full load and checking the stabilized motor winding temperatures as >> well as the winding insulation strength. If the motor/fan combination >> passes this test , then it is released for continuous running at any load >> for even one year! So, if a domestic fan runs for 8 hours at a stretch, it >> can run continuously for any length of time! >> But the Goabells of Singapore at this age ,unaware of kaupeenam >> falling down, raps over the Gopala leela WHAT IS MAYA?; EVEN ONE CANNOT >> KNOW THAT HE IS THE JOKER BUT MAKING FUN OF OTHERS WHICH DOES APPLY >> THEM ONLY, IS MAYA. So long I was thinking that the non-application of >> mind alone is the cause of errors; but now the twin jokers proved >> otherwise; they cannot apply anything over and so are unfit for anything. >> Apasmarams of the earth. KR IRS 211022 >> >> On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 03:37, Srinivasan Sridharan < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Leave alone the small fans used at homes! In the power plants there are >> huge fans driven by electric motors of ratings. 1000 kw and more. It is >> necessary to test ( before start using) >> These motors for 8 hours running continuously at full load and checking >> the stabilsed motor winding temperatures as well as the winding insulation >> strength. If the motor/fan combination passes this test , then it is >> released for continuous running at any load for even one year! So, if a >> domestic fan runs for 8 hours at a stretch, it can run continuously for any >> length of time! >> Sridharan. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 20, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> My dear Gopalkrishnan >> Your end is the wrong end ,not mine; I asked you to explain your text; >> as you called me, I am ignorant according to you; so you have to do it; >> and if you are divertingby other texts, then ONLY YOU HAVE BECOME MAD NOT >> ME GOPALA NEWTON 3RD LAW kr irs 201022 >> >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 19:10, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> What is wrong with you? If I answer your response I will become mad >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Thursday, 20 October, 2022 at 06:49:09 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Noted. Fans are designed to work overnight. But only for overnight, *not >> for days together.// Not for days together does mean it can run forever/. >> Sorry you please write notes for this poor fellow. As Vengi writes some >> nonsense ,you shall not write on some riders. i know your english pretty >> well . KR IRS * >> >> >> >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 17:32, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Respected Mr Rajaram, *the hurried IRS,* >> >> Did you read the QA 1 with *concentration*. If so, there is some problem >> for you to read even simple English. >> >> I paste below the QA. Where it is said, fans should be switched OFF in >> day time?. >> >> *I have answered the Question in simple words in last line. Concentrate >> and read* >> >> Q1 Will leaving a fan running overnight ruin it? >> >> A1 Gopala Krishnan, Former Assistant General Manager 1996-2004 >> at Department of Telecom (1966–2004)Just now >> >> *No. Most people do not use AC in winter and use fan in bed rooms. They >> run over night.* >> >> During summer along with AC or only as fans, most use fans in day time >> over day in halls, living areas. >> Fans are designed to work overnight. But only for overnight, *not for >> days together.* >> >> >> >> On Thursday, 20 October, 2022 at 02:57:34 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Q1 THA FANS ARE NOT FOR THE DAY BUT ONLY FOR THE NIGHT-A GRAND >> THEORY ONLY MY BRAIN CANNOT UNDERSTAND. THOSE WHO ARE USING FANS DURING >> THE DAYTIME LIKE ME PLEASE SWITCH IT OFF. >> q2 not just carrot; health line shows that peeling has several pros >> and cons; let's see about it; so decide later; carrot if feeled nothing >> will go wrong. Now views; >> 1 Fruit and vegetable peels can reduce hunger and help you feel fuller >> longer.: This is largely due to their high fiber >> <https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/why-is-fiber-good-for-you> content. >> While the exact amount of fiber varies, fresh fruits and vegetables may >> contain up to one-third more fiber before the outer layers are removed >> .Several >> studies show that fiber can help you feel fuller longer. Fiber may do this >> by physically stretching the stomach, by slowing how quickly it empties, or >> by influencing the speed at which fullness hormones are released in your >> body .In fact, research shows that the type of fiber >> <https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/different-types-of-fiber> found in >> fruits and vegetables, which is known as viscous fiber, may be especially >> effective at reducing appetite (.Fiber also serves as food for the >> friendly bacteria living in your gut. When these bacteria feed on fiber, >> they produce short-chain fatty acids >> <https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/short-chain-fatty-acids-101>, >> which appear to further boost feelings of fullness Moreover, several >> studies have observed that fiber-rich diets tend to reduce hunger and, >> therefore, the number of calories consumed per day >> <https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-many-calories-per-day>, >> potentially leading to weight loss .Therefore, unpeeled fruits and >> vegetables may help you reduce your hunger and even lose weight. >> 2 Fruits and vegetables contain antioxidants, which are beneficial >> plant compounds that may reduce the risk of several diseases. Put >> simply, the main function of antioxidants is to fight unstable molecules >> called free radicals. High levels of free radicals can cause oxidative >> stress, which can ultimately harm cells and potentially increase the risk >> of disease. In fact, researchers believe that antioxidants may help >> lower the risk of heart disease and certain types of cancers Certain >> antioxidants found in fruits and vegetables have also been linked to a >> lower risk of neurological diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease . Fruits >> and vegetables are naturally high in antioxidants, but according to >> research, the antioxidants appear to be more concentrated in the outer >> layer . In one study, antioxidant levels were up to 328 times higher in >> fruit and vegetable peels than in their pulps . Therefore, if you want >> to maximize your intake of antioxidants from fruit and vegetables, you >> should eat them unpeeled. >> 3 Pesticides are commonly used to reduce crop damage and increase >> yield. Contrary to popular belief, pesticides can be found on both >> organically and conventionally grown fruits and vegetables. Although >> some pesticides enter fruit and vegetable flesh, many remain confined in >> the outer peel. Washing is a good way to get rid of pesticide residues >> that are loosely attached to the peel’s surface. However, peeling is the >> best way to remove pesticides that have seeped into fruit and vegetable skin >> . For example, a recent review reports that around 41% of pesticide >> residues found on fruits was removed by washing with water, while up to >> twice as much was removed through peeling . For many people concerned >> about their overall exposure to pesticides >> <https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/pesticides-and-health>, this may be >> good enough reason to eat only the flesh of all fruits and vegetables. Those >> particularly worried about their pesticide intake may want to check out the >> EWG’s report <https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/summary.php>, which ranks >> pesticide contamination levels in 48 popular fruits and vegetables in >> America. Nevertheless, the risk of consuming slightly more pesticides >> may not necessarily outweigh the benefit of the greater amount of nutrients >> in the skins. The amount of pesticides allowed on fresh foods is tightly >> regulated. Pesticide levels exceed the allowed upper limits in less than 4% >> of cases, and even when they do, research shows this rarely results in harm >> to humans . Therefore, while removing the skin of vegetables may get rid >> of a bit more pesticides than washing does, the difference is likely too >> small to worry about. SO DECIDE. >> Q4 How to avoid duties and taxes?; as per manual bringing permitted >> goods; not "nowadays don't care'; or evade taxes and if caught take the >> riders. >> Q8 How everyone delivering a baby/ how every one become parent/; how >> the relations and inter personal and intra personal relationship going on? >> have all those changed?. >> Q10 swadeshi is certainly better; I write often that none outside wear >> your saree or dhoti or eat dosa after leaving your country. Then why would >> yo beg and buy others' products?. Swadeshi when grows , internal >> productions will change. Swadeshi scriptures are to be followed, dharma >> style would vary. Gandhi did it, then why not some low level citizens?. We >> are hypocrites. KR IRS 201022 >> >> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 05:46, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> *CULTURAL QA 10-2022-20* >> >> *BEING A COMPILATION THERE MAY BE ERRORS* >> >> Q1 Will leaving a fan running overnight ruin it? >> >> A1 Gopala Krishnan, Former Assistant General Manager 1996-2004 >> at Department of Telecom (1966–2004)Just now >> >> *No. Most people do not use AC in winter and use fan in bed rooms. They >> run over night.* >> >> During summer along with AC or only as fans, most use fans in day time >> over day in halls, living areas. >> >> Fans are designed to work overnight. But only for overnight, *not for >> days together.* >> >> Q2 Do you lose any nutrients when you peel a carrot? >> >> A2 Lucia Garcia, Worked at Hospitals Oct 12 >> >> *Carrots are one of the most nutritious vegetables, which is an excellent >> source of carotene.* >> >> Carrots have 30 to 40 times more carotene than most vegetables. Carotene >> is a natural antioxidant that is widely used in medical and health care >> products. >> >> Carotene is a precursor of vitamin A, which is very helpful in protecting >> eyesight, strengthening the immune system, and avoiding the risk of various >> diseases. >> >> A medium carrot weighs about 80 grams and contains 3.8 mg of >> beta-carotene and 3.3 mg of alpha-carotene. >> >> *Studies have shown that carotene is mainly found under the carrot skin, >> which has only a thin, almost transparent layer.* >> >> Carotene is the most important nutrient in carrots. Peeling the Skin of >> a Carrot is Equivalent to Removing Most of the Carotene. >> >> There is absolutely no need to peel the carrots, just rinse them under >> running water. >> >> Q3 Is a dormitory available on the Chennai Central Railway >> Station? >> >> A3 Thirunavukarasu Veluswamy,22h >> >> Yes, dormitory is available in Chennai. But only 5 rooms available as per >> latest information which I got to know from authorities at Chennai central. >> So, the only mode of booking is online through IRCTC website for >> dormitory\retiring rooms. There was an A\c waiting hall available which >> costs Rs 35 for one hour post which, it costs 25 Rs per hour. It's very >> tough to get a dormitory at Chennai central. >> >> *My note- There was a FREE non AC dormitory in the* first floor for >> transit of upper class passengers. I have used it in 2004 while travelling >> from Varanasi to Rameswaram. I am not sure whether it is there now. >> >> Q4 How do you bring camera lenses from US to India? I want to >> buy 2 lenses and bring them in India with my friend in US. What should be >> the ideal way to avoid duties and taxes? >> >> A4 Prasanna Bhalerao, Amateur Photographer, Nikon user22h >> >> Best way is to get the camera lenses as well as other equipment on >> person. *Nowadays, the customs don't care much about camera stuff*. This >> is because same goods are available in India. Unless there is a huge price >> difference I will say buy the stuff in India itself. >> >> Q5 Does electricity use cause outlets to heat up? >> >> A5 Gopala Krishnan, Former Assistant General Manager 1996-2004 >> at Department of Telecom (1966–2004)Just now >> >> *The answer is NO and YES*. Most outlets like plug and socket must have >> some loose. *Unless some loose is not there it is not possible to remove >> the plug from socket.* It is natural to develop more loose on long >> periods due to wear and tire. *When current is drawn for long duration >> one can feel the heat developing.* >> >> The same thing can be there in joints also in the long period, connecting >> lights, fans etc. >> >> *But new wiring, new socket and plug, the heat development is very less.* >> >> Q6 What are vacuum tubes? What is the purpose of a vacuum tube? >> How come vacuum tubes are not really used anymore/common? >> >> A6 Steven Haddock,Studied at West HIll Collegiate Fri >> >> *A vacuum tube is essentially any hollow glass tube,* evacuated of >> oxygen and with very low pressure inside, that has a “cathode” or electron >> emitting surface, and an “anode” or electron absorbing surface. *Back in >> the days before transistors and integrated circuits*, they were used for >> controlling the flow of electricity. >> >> *The simplest vacuum tube is the “diode” which acts* as a one way gate >> for electricity. There is no physical connection between the *cathode* >> and the *anode* so any electrons in the cathode will only leave through >> the anode, but if you put current through the anode, it won’t flow in the >> other direction. >> >> *Next up is the “triode*”. It’s also a one way gate but has two >> cathodes. The second cathode regulates the flow of electricity - a lot of >> electrons go through when very little current is applied to the second >> cathode, but fewer electrons go through when a lot is applied. It was used >> to automatically regulate the flow of voltage and current. >> >> *On radios, for example, they were used for automatic volume control, >> boosting weak signals and turning down strong ones.* >> >> They’re not used anymore because they’re bulky, hot, use a lot of power >> and are unreliable. >> >> The only thing that kept them i use as long as they were used were that, >> *initially, >> transistors were more expensive.* >> >> *My note- Nostalgic memories goes to my study in physics class in 1964*. >> Transisters were just coming up. *I studied radio and television built >> using anode, cathode and triode*. >> >> I had a lecturer earlier worked in All India Radio, Bangalore who said in >> occasion the diodes were there to the size of a copper boiler in the >> radio station. >> >> My murphy radio was with diodes and I could see if the back panel >> opened,the fitted diodes in a mother board, and *their glowing when >> current switched ON*. Only technicians will open back panel One could >> see the warming up of the radio if operated for hours. >> >> Q7 Which is better, skill or education? >> >> A7 Rohit Virmani, Knows English Updated Oct 10 >> >> This is the story of Krishna Yadav. Coming from Bulandshahr in UP, *she >> and her family were facing acute financial crisis.* >> >> Her husband was facing some major health issues which shifted major >> responsibilities to Krishna’s shoulders. *She then decided to move to >> Delhi for better opportunities and borrowed a sum of Rs 500 from a >> relative. She tried hard to get a job, but all her efforts met failure*. >> >> She then decided to get into farming which she continued for a few years. *In >> 2001 after attending a 3-month training in food processing, she invested a >> sum of Rs 3,000 and prepared 2 different types of pickles*. She earned a >> profit of Rs 5,250 from selling the pickle. Although it wasn’t such a big >> amount, it was very encouraging for her. >> >> *She then put all her energy into making pickles and her husband used to >> sell it on the streets. Krishna* received a great response to her >> products which further boosted her confidence, and she scaled up her >> production. >> >> Today, under the banner of Shri Krishna Pickles, she owns 4 companies, >> and the turnover is more than 4 crores. >> >> She has also been awarded for her achievements in the field of women >> entrepreneurship. >> >> No intent to undermine education but this is the best example of Skill > >> Fancy education. Sadly, Indian middle class has a norm of pushing kids >> to do B.Tech/ B.Sc. from any random college with 0 focus towards skill. >> >> Ref: Famous Indian Home Made Pickles Manufacturers. Buy Now Purest >> Genuine Variety of Groceries at your Doorstep. >> >> Krishna Yadav – Wikipedia >> >> Q8 What are some things that will never change? >> >> A8 Shaunak Bhattacharjeee, Former Sales force Admin & Developer >> at TCS Digital (2018–2020)Sep 28 >> >> *YEAR 2012.* >> >> Milk price per litre — Rs 30 >> >> Petrol price per litre — Rs 70 >> >> Bank Fixed Deposit rates — 9.25% >> >> Sensex Index — 18,000 >> >> Captain of India's cricket team — MS Dhoni >> >> Government at the Center — INC >> >> Salary offered to freshers by TCS — Rs 3.36 LPA >> >> >> >> YEAR 2022. >> >> Milk price per litre — Rs 65 >> >> Petrol price per litre — Rs 105 >> >> Bank Fixed Deposit rates — 5.50% >> >> Sensex Index — 57,000 >> >> Captain of India's cricket team — Rohit Sharma >> >> Government at the Center — BJP >> >> Salary offered to freshers by TCS — Rs 3.36 LPA >> >> *Some things just never changes!* >> >> Q9 What are some parts of a house that need regular maintenance >> and why? >> >> A9 Gopala Krishnan, Former Assistant General Manager 1996-2004 >> at Department of Telecom (1966–2004)Just now >> >> *The most important part in my view is outside of home*. If the compound >> is kept neat and tidy snakes will not come to the premises. If at all near >> by homes are having not well maintained compounds, it does not matter, >> in cleaned premises, they won’t remain, if at all they creep in. Plants >> must be well maintained. >> >> *The toilets and bath rooms are to be well* maintained. Bathroom must >> not have unwanted items. Daily cleaning is a must. >> >> *The work area and kitchen are to be well* maintained. If so, flies, >> mosquitos etc. and other creatures will not appear. Waste has to be kept in >> waste box having a top cover, sinks, vessels used for cooking and eating >> must be cleaned immediately. >> >> All parts of home require sweeping and moped. These are certain things >> coming to me . There could be more items >> >> Q10 What happens if we use only Indian brands and stop >> buying foreign brands? >> >> A10 Balaji Viswanathan, follows government policies closely.5y >> >> *We had this sort of state before 1991. Imports were* severely curtailed >> and Indians were forced to predominantly use local products. Consumer >> choice was non-existent. >> >> If you didn’t like the phone given by sarkari telecom, good luck. If you >> didn’t like the comfort of Ambassador or Premier Padmini, take a hike. >> Customer service was not a term in the lingo. Even the corporations had >> trouble. If you needed a machinery from Japan or Germany, you either have >> to grease the palm of a government babu or put up with a local knockoff >> with terrible results. >> >> *And overall, we were a dirt poor country that was ignored by most of the >> world*. However, Singapore, South Korea and China had little issues >> trading with the world. They imported a lot and exported even more. >> >> *Then in 1991 we took a baby step and slowly started loosening the chains >> that we put around ourselves. We didn’t open as much as Singapore or* >> even China, but it was way better than the time until 1990. Our imports >> grew, but so did our exports. >> >> *Refiners in Jamnagar imported a lot of crude oil,* processed and then >> started exporting the much more profitable Diesel and Petrol*. Jewellers >> in Surat started importing more of raw diamonds and exported the much more >> valuable diamond jewellery*. >> >> *Tech firms in Bangalore imported a lot of software tools and exported >> far more valuable software* services. As Microsoft, GE, Amazon and other >> major companies came in, local supply chains became stronger and new >> businesses came up. >> >> *Prosperity came with the half opened door [our* leaders got cold feet >> before opening the door fully to let the fruits of trade come in]. India >> was no longer a basket case, but a power to be reckoned. It is still not >> hunky dory though as the government still has enormous control over imports >> and business in general. >> >> We can surely block products not made in India. And we really know how >> the society would look like. Just ask your mom and dad how their >> childhood was. We have spent centuries being a frog in the well - ignoring >> the outside world - and things should not be very unusual for us. >> >> My note- Though swadesi is good idea, in a large outlook for development >> we require imports and exports can bring a lot of benefit. We want good >> imports. *Not junks and wastes what ever we make with them.* >> >> *All the above QA are from Quora website on 19-10-2022* >> >> *Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers .* >> >> *Compiled **and posted by R. 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