The Q & A changed the direction though not fully of the author of Quora MR
G ; however the old age seniors etc including walking by Sekar and starin
of walk etc made me see what our text speaks of the old age: [K RAJARAM
IRS 281022]
Commentary on the Katha Upanishad
OLD AGE PADMA PURANAM
*Yajāti said**:*
66. O best one, please tell me in detail, from what old age has sprung up
and why it troubles the body.
*Mātali said**:*
67-95. I shall describe to you the cause of old age; and why it has sprung
up in the body, O you best king. The body of the nature of the five
elements, is resorted to by the five objects of sense. O king, when the
soul leaves the body, it (i.e. the body) is burnt. O king, when blazing
with fire the body burns along with the fluids. From it smoke is produced,
and from smoke clouds are produced. Water proceeds from the clouds; the
earth becomes ready for water as a chaste woman in her menses implores
water. From that odour is produced, and fluid is produced from odour, O
best king. From the fluid food is produced, and semen is produced from
food. There is no doubt about this. From semen body is produced; and body
is surely ugly. As the earth (element) would produce odour and it moves on
the earth through fluids, similarly the body would always move. It is
everywhere the substratum of fluids. From it odour is produced and again
fluid would be (produced) from odour. From it is produced great fire; O
king, mark the analogy.
As fire is produced from wood, and would illumine wood, in the same
way in the body fire is produced from fluid. It moves there (in the body)
and, O king, it always nourishes the body. As long as there is
preponderance of fluid (in the body) the soul is tranquil. Fire moving (in
the body) like that remains in the form of hunger. Being sharp it desires
food with water; O king, it receives the gift—food and water also. The fire
consumes blood and semen also like that; there is no doubt about it. Due to
that there would be consumption destroying the entire body. O king, when
there would be preponderance of fluid, the fire is put down. Being troubled
by the fluid, it is produced in the form of fever. The fire having arrested
the neck, the back, the waist, the anus remains in all the joints. (Thus)
the fire moves on in the body. Its preponderance always continues to exist,
and nourishes the body on all sides. (When) the fluid is restrained, it
then becomes powerful.
Being excessive due to power, it would move the vital parts of the
body through the semen. Due to that lust is produced; and O king, it would
become (i.e. becomes) of the nature of a dart. O king, it is called the
fire of lust, which destroys strength. Due to addiction to coitus
destruction (takes place) in the body. A being oppressed by the fire of
lust would resort to a female. Due to addiction to sexual intercourse, the
body which is made violent and emaciated by lust, would become void of
lustre, and there is a loss of strength (in the body). The (already) weak
body becomes (more) weak when urged on by fire. That fire would consume
blood and semen in the body. Due to the consumption of semen and blood, the
body becomes dispirited. A violent wind of a terrible form is produced; and
then he would be pale, tormented with grief and of a vacant mind. He moves,
having in his mind that woman whom he has seen or about whom he has heard.
When the course of the mind (i.e. the mind) is greedy, there is no
satisfaction in (i.e. of) the body. When the lustful man, ugly or handsome,
becomes weak due to brooding and the loss of flesh and blood, there appears
old age in the body (being) consumed by the fire of lust. Due to that, he
being (more) lustful, becomes older and older day by day. As a usurer
thinks of money, so he thinks of a woman in (i.e. for) coitus; so also, O
lord of men, there is a loss of his lustre. From that a body is produced,
and he perishes. Then undoubtedly fire in the form of old age is again
produced; and then there is a terrible fever in the form of (i.e. of the
nature of) consumption in the beings. All the immobile and the mobile ones
being tormented by fever and by many other troubles, perish. All this I
have told you; what else should I tell?
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Vṛddha (वृद्ध) Old age: Vṛddha (वृद्ध).—[adjective] grown up, adult,
large, tall, strong, intense, great, high, important, aged, old, skilful,
clever, distinguished or eminent by ([instrumental] or —°); glad, cheerful,
haughty, arrogant; subject to Vṛddhi ([grammar]). 1) Old age;
कैकेयीशङ्कयेवाह पलितच्छद्मना जरा (*kaikeyīśaṅkayevāha palitacchadmanā
jarā*) R.12.
2; तस्य धर्मरतेरासीद् वृद्धत्वं जरया (*tasya dharmaraterāsīd vṛddhatvaṃ
jarayā*) (*jarasā*) विना (*vinā*) 1.23.
KATHOPANISHAD:
śatāyuṣaḥ putra-pautrān vṛṇīṣva bahῡn paśῡn hasti-hiraṇyam aśvān
bhῡmer mahad-āyatanaṁ vṛṇīṣva svayaṁ ca jīva śarado yāvad icchasi. (23)
“I offer you big posterity, wealth, cattle, gold and elephants in plenty;
land and long life for yourself.”
etat tulyam yadi manyase, varaṁ vṛṇīṣva, vittaṁ cira-jīvikāṁ ca,
mahā-bhῡmau naciketas tvam edhi, kāmānāṁ tvā kāmabhājaṁ karomi. (24)
“Any boon like this that you want, choose it, and wealth and long life.
Prosper, O Nachiketas, on this vast earth!” { aaseervada mantram)
Sankara’s interpretation is unique: It is not that someone chooses,
because, for Sankara, that someone does not exist to choose. His
understanding of this part of the mantra is: “He is beheld only by That
which is the seeker himself.” That which you behold is within yourself, is
the meaning. Who is the seeker? Is he outside the Atman? God is the
prompter even behind the seeker. *Sadhana *is not possible without Him.
Rather than from without, the choice has to come from within. The seeker
and the sought are one. The sought or God is not outside the seeker,
choosing him arbitrarily; if it were so, we would have to attribute
partiality to Him. Reality is one, and on the basis of this doctrine, Sankara
opines that Self-knowledge is an inexplicable wonder: it arises—that is
all. It is not caused by the *jiva*, because he has no freedom. But, if God
is the cause, what conditions does He impose? If you say it is the
*jiva’s *karmas,
you limit His power; so even that is not a satisfactory explanation. Hence,
either you accept that God’s ways are mysterious, ununderstandable, or
knowledge is a miracle, and when you say miracle, you cannot say anything.
By the passage of time, by the fructification of good deeds, by the process
of the universe, by the grace of God—by a mysterious combination of all
these factors which the *jiva *cannot understand, God is revealed. When He
reveals Himself, the person (*jiva*) is no more. God reveals Himself to
Himself. It is not an end reached by the effort of human personality.
The whole difficulty is expressed in a single statement: the Atman is the
subject, not the object. Thus, He cannot be manipulated by an instrument.
Speech, mind and intellect are signified by the terms *pravacanena medhaya*.
Speech is indicative of all senses. So, not through them, not through the
mind, not through the intellect can the Atman be realised, because these
faculties have a tendency to move outward. They catch the object, not the
subject. The mind never catches the mind. Both the mind and intellect work
on the dictate of the senses which are untrustworthy, concluding that all
reality is confined to phenomena. Any description of the Atman is given by
them, and they cannot conceive of anything other than objects. This mystery
of *atmasakshatkara *is given in the second half of the verse. The Atman
chooses the Atman. God chooses God. It is Self-efflorescence. To such a
fortunate being who has so withdrawn himself into himself that he is
indistinguishable from the Supreme Subject, to such a one is the Atman
revealed—not by process, but instantaneously. It is a timeless flash of a
sudden consciousness which is called *atmasakshatkara*. It comes by the
maturity of one’s *sadhana*. The links of this process are indescribable.
The last occurrence is such that it cannot be regarded as an effect of all
the preceding ones, though it comes as a result of these. It is beyond the
causational process.
YOGA VASISHTAM Chapter XXII - Obloquy of old age Book 1 vairagya
kandam:
1. Boyhood has scarcely lost its boyishness when it is overtaken by youth,
which is soon followed by a ruthless old age, devouring the other two.
2. Old age withers the body like a frost freezing the lake of lilies. It
drives away the beauty of the person as a storm does the autumnal clouds;
and it pulls down the body, as a current carries away a tree on the bank.
3. The old man with his limbs slackened and worn out by age, and his body
weakened by infirmity, is treated by women as a useless beast.
6. A man in his state of tottering old age, is scoffed at as a dotard by
his own sons and servants, and even by his wife, and all his friends and
relations.
10.What am I that is brought to this extremity of senselessness, what can I
do in this state. I must remain dumb and silent. Under these reflections
there is an increased sense of helplessness in old age.
11.How and when and what shall I eat, and what is sweet to taste? These are
the thoughts which trouble the mind of one when old age comes upon him.
13. Hoary old age sits and shrieks as a heron on the top of the tree of
this body, which is infested within it by the serpents of sickness.
18. Old age with its whooping cough lays hold on a man, just as a vulture
seizes its prey with loud shrieks in order to devour it.
20. As the chill blast of winter shakes a tree and covers its leaves with
dust, so does old age seize the body with a tremor and fill all its limbs
with the rust of diseases.
21. The body overtaken by old age becomes as pale and battered, as a lotus
flower beaten by frost becomes withered and shattered.
28. The body, like a flowering creeper, bends down under the pressure of
age, turns to grey like the fading leaves of a plant, and becomes as lean
and thin as a plant after its flowering time is over.
37. It is the extinction of being that is preceded by old age; therefore I
as a man of little understanding, can have no reliance in old age (though
extolled by some)
38.What then is the good of this miserable life, which lives under the
subjection of old age? Senility is irresistible in this world, and defies
all efforts to avoid or overcome it.
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 07:43, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
[email protected]> wrote:
> *CULTURAL QA 10-2022-28*
>
> *BEING A COMPILATION THERE MAY BE ERRORS*
>
> Q1 What is the difference between a washing machine and a smart
> washing machine?
>
> A1 Tech Girl, all the trending advances in the tech Sat
>
> A washing machine is a device that washes clothes by agitating and rubbing
> them with water and detergents, while *a smart washing machine includes a
> time-cycling sensor, a dryer, a liquid detergent dispenser, and other
> features that allow the machine to tell when it's being used, when the
> clothes are dry, and when they are ready to be folded or put away.*
>
> Whereas
>
> A smart washing machine is an appliance with a built-in IT system that
> connects to your home Wi-Fi. Examples of these include the Bosch Washing
> Machine and the LG Washing Machine. A washing machine, on the other hand,
> is a device that washes clothes by using a mechanism to pump water and a
> detergent through the machine. *The difference between the two is that a
> smart washing machine has a built-in IT system that can monitor the water
> levels, laundry load and temperature*, and other factors to ensure that
> the washing process is successful.
>
>
>
> Q2 Why are red bananas considered healthier than other bananas?
>
> A2 Lucia Garcia, Worked at Hospitals Wed
>
> *Red banana is one of the top ten rare fruits in the world*. It is native
> to Malaysia and is now grown in East Africa, Asia and South America.
>
> *Red banana is a completely natural banana variety, with a growth cycle of
> 450 to 500 days, which is nearly 100 days longer than that of ordinary
> bananas.*
>
> *After ripening, red bananas have reddish-purple skins, which are softer
> and sweeter than ordinary bananas, with a slight raspberry flavor.*
>
> Compared with ordinary bananas, red plantains *contain more β-carotene,
> vitamin C, potassium and iron, and their nutritional value is much higher
> than ordinary bananas.*
>
> In Central America and East Africa, red bananas are used as aphrodisiacs. *It
> is believed that red bananas can help enhance fertility.*
>
> *Red bananas are expensive*. In the US and Europe, red bananas are 7 to 8
> times more expensive than ordinary bananas.
>
> *My note- In Chennai earlier red banana was highly priced. Now all fruit
> shops are having it, priced* about 80-00 per kg like Nenthran. One
> quality observed is it’s shelf life for good quality is above three days
> comparing to 2 days for other bananas
>
> Q3 Why is the Tamil Nadu Super Fast Express so famous and a big
> deal among rail enthusiasts?
>
> A3 Prashant Tiwari. Indian Railways Enthusiast3y
>
> There are so many factors behind the popularity of this train.
>
> *Tamil Nadu Express is a superfast train which* connects Dr. M G R
> Central (Chennai Central) to the capital city of the country New Delhi .
>
> Let us know all the factors helping in the popularity of this train :
>
> *1 . Service : 12621/22 Tamil Nadu Express was first* started on Aug 7,
> 1976 . It was the first State named train of the south. It runs daily as
> 12621 from Chennai and 12622 from New Delhi. Other trains on this route are
> either bi-weekly or tri-weekly (excluding grand trunk exp.).
>
> *2. Timing: Timing plays an important role behind the* success of any
> train .
>
> This train 12621 departs from MGR(Chennai) at 22:00 hours and reaches
> Delhi at 07:05on 3rd day ( 33 hours).where 12622 departs from New Delhi
> at 22:30 and reaches Chennai at 07:10.
>
> 3. Speed: This train covers 2182 kms journey in just 32 hours and 40 mins
> with an average speed of 66 km/hr which is really good. A superfast train
> with an average speed over 65 is rarely seen in Indian Railways.
>
> *4. Priority: Usually long distance non-premium trains* run delayed by
> few hours in India but Tamil Nadu express mostly runs on time and gets
> higher priority than other superfast trains.
>
> *5.Fare : Tamil Nadu Express is not a premium class* train so the fares
> are as similar as any other superfast train.
>
> While booking ticket in any train we usually look for a train with
> suitable Timing, decent Average Speed and priority on tracks and it will be
> like nuts on ice cream if it runs daily. So, here it is The Tamil Nadu
> Express which fulfils all your expectations and that is why the train is
> also famous among the rail enthusiasts.
>
> Q4 If someone is fined by the railway court for crossing railway
> tracks, and the amount is paid on the spot, will there be any history of
> such a record and can trespassing through a railway track affect govt job
> opportunities?
>
> A4 Ajit Kumar, Section controller at Indian Railways
> (2019–present)19h
>
> *It is minor. Case close matter close. Fine system is awarance towards
> railway*. The rule is framed for safety of people. Tresspassing fine is
> part of that people can aware while passing track. One may injured or hit
> by coming train which has larger speed from our thinking.
>
> There is no affect govt. Job oppertunities. But don’t repeat because life
> is so precious. When and what will happen doing such practise no one can
> say. Railway has daily so many Run over cases while passing track.
>
> *Don’t do and stop doing other. So be positive & happy Work hard what you
> want to achieve.*
>
> Q5 What is the effect of eating more than one banana at a time on
> blood sugar levels?
>
> A5 Laura Bailey, Get Fit. Get Healthy. Get Results! Sun
>
> Bananas are a nutritious and convenient snack option that can provide a
> boost of energy.
>
> But what happens when you eat more than one banana at a time? Does it have
> an effect on blood sugar levels?
>
> Research has shown that eating multiple bananas at a time can actually
> help to regulate blood sugar levels.
>
> This is due to the high amount of fiber and resistant starch found in
> bananas.*So if you're looking for a quick and healthy snack, reach for a
> banana - or two!*
>
> Q6 Is it important to have a kitchen renovation done by
> professionals?
>
> A6 Gopala Krishnan, Former Assistant General Manager 1996-2004 at
> Department of Telecom (1966–2004)Just now
>
> *Definitely. Professionals will have many innovative ideas.* If a person
> himself or contractor renovate, these innovative ideas will not be there.
> There is no meaning after crying over spilled milk ( One has done himself)
>
> An example. While providing RCC slab for kitchen working table. One
> should be care full to ensure with bottom plastering there must be ample
> height to keep the LPG cylinder. I have seen in many homes LPG cylinder is
> kept outside because of the height problem. Further while providing
> covering below the kitchen table, *in the LPG area the door must have
> perforations in ample numbers so that LPG leak can be easily detected.*
>
> If chimney is to be provided , it should be ensured that provision for LPG
> stove is provided below it.
>
> *The hole provided for tube must be good enough so that tube easily moves
> without rubbing* etc, etc.
>
> My added note- Nowadays the door is prepared in such a manner it does not
> close 100% where LPG cylinder is kept
>
> Q7 I once visited Kenya and during my stay, I noted that they
> have a lot of people of Indian origin who are Kenya citizens. When will
> they come back to India?
>
> A7 Lenny Chege, Studied at Nairobi, Kenya Jun 3
>
> *No they are not coming back and actually they will get more Indians
> joining them from India to Kenya.* There is history into this, Indians
> arrived into Kenya *starting in 18th Century under their colonialist
> British to construct Railway as they had already had experience from India*.
>
>
> They arrived in a foreign land and them being expatriates they found a
> better life in Kenya as they worked as Supervisors and above during the
> construction of *Kenya-Uganda Railway*. Later on they settled in Kenya
> and engaged in business and farming whereby they became very successful.
>
> *That is one group of Indian who are in Kenya and now they are in their
> 7th or 8th Generations hence* they are Kenyans but not Indians*, but they
> are recognized by India government as “People of India origin".*
>
> *The second group of Indians are the expatriates and girls/wives who have
> been brought from India to marry Indian men in Kenya*. Based on above you
> will realize most of the people of Indian origin in Kenya are rich and
> thriving in business and surprisingly *they are now even Memebers of
> Parliament, County assembly etc. See below photos.*
>
> Above is Mishara Swarup (Kenyan name Kiprop) he was born and grew up in
> India, moved to Kenya like 15 years ago, he is now a billionaire, owner of
> Mediheal group of Hospitals and Member of National Assembly for Kesses
> Constituency. He is a Kenyan by Naturalization.
>
> Abdul Rahim, is a member of parliament in one of Kenya Rural area of Meru.
> He is a Kenyan by birth.
>
> Irshad Sumra is former member of parliament for Embakasi South in Nairobi
> County.
>
> Shakeel Shabir is a member of Parliament from Kisumu City. He is a Kenyan
> by Birth.
>
> Above is the list of richest Kenyans, you can clearly see the
> concentration of people of Indian origin.
>
> *Photos not attached.*
>
> Q8 What are some tips for preparing for old age after retirement?
>
> A8 Gopalkrishna Vishwanath, Lived 69 years so far. No regrets.
> Look forward to the best years now. Oct 17
>
> *I received the following document in a WhatsApp forward. I am glad to
> share it here.*
>
> The original author is Rotarian doctor JS Bhuvaneswaran director, Super
> specialty PSG hospitals.
>
> *Mantra 1-Never say I am old /aged*
>
> There are three ages in everybody's life.
>
> Biological: calculated based on your date of birth.
>
> *Chronologica*l: determined by health condition. You can take care of
> your health with a good diet, exercise, a cheerful attitude, and activity
> field vocations.
>
> Psychological: depends on how old you feel. A positive thinking active
> life and optimistic attitude can reverse the psychological age.
>
> My note- Irrespective of chronological and psychological aging, biological
> age tell upon the person is the true fact. Earlier skin wrinkled by 65
> years, now with advancement of medical care, it has changed to 70 or 75
> which shows on people
>
> Mantra 2 Your health is a top priority.
>
> Taking care of your health should be your priority so that you are not a
> burden to anyone. Have an annual health check up and take the prescribed
> medicines regularly. Do take health insurance coverage.
>
> My note- One’s health is depend also depends on your heredity, suffering
> in young age etc.
>
> Mantra 3-Vitamin M … essential
>
> Money is essential for meeting the basic necessities of life, keeping good
> health, and earning family respect and security. Don't spend beyond your
> means even for your children. You have lived for them all through and it is
> time you enjoyed a harmonious life with your spouse. If you are children
> are grateful and they take care of you, you are blessed but never take it
> for granted and presume that they are bound.
>
> My note- By the heredity or by culture, no parent can remain with
> educating the maximum by the parents. Those who get pension may not have
> more dependence. Still dependence is there when more expenditure appears.
> Those
> without pension have very less cash deposits on retirement is the true
> fact. This is the reason, GOvt of India has made ruling children have to
> look after parents in old age.
>
> Mantra 4 Detached attachment.
>
> Everybody loves their children.
>
> Adopt compromise, and detachment and try to be friendly with children.
> Never argue with them on any topic social, political or religious because *you
> may win the argument but may lose the relationship and cordiality. It is
> not worth it at this stage. *Remember that at this stage you require them
> more than they require you emotionally if not financially!! Adopt
> detached attachment and enjoy the lee years of life.
>
> *Mantra 5Time left is precious.*
>
> It is almost like holding a horse’s reins. When they are in your hands you
> can control them Imagine that every day you are born again. Live this
> moment, Live it fully now in the present. *Yesterday is history. Tomorrow
> is a mystery and today is the truth that is present in your hands*. Don't
> harp on yesterday's achievements nor predict the future course. The changed
> circumstances are the real truth. Live with it and channel your thoughts
> accordingly.
>
> *Mantra 6Accept change*
>
> Change is the only permanent thing. We should accept change - it is
> inevitable. Because of generation change, things have moved to a different
> level technologically, in lifestyle, and thought process-wise. The only way
> to make sense out of the change is to accept change. *Do some voluntary
> service and share your experience for the good of others with no
> expectations.*
>
> Mantra 7 Be enlightened, limited selfish
>
> Don't be bothered too much about others' mistakes. We are not spiritual
> enough to show our other cheek when we are slapped in one. But for the sake
> of our own health and happiness let us forgive and forget them. Property/
> money are the culprits to spoil the relationships. Let that be decided by
> those who are concerned after you go. But before let it remain suspense and
> surprise, as that alone ensures your happiness, and enjoy their company. It
> is preferable to register the will but that involves re-registering every
> time you intend to make changes in it.
>
> *My note- I know the case of a person, who divided the property among
> his two sons, they built new* homes, cars, their expenses are more, the
> agreement both children will look after went to air, both give meagre
> amount. When I asked why he divided property, his answer was- *it will
> result in more quarrels and he may not get even this meagre amount. It is a
> thoughtful point. He is not a pensioner and with meagre income he educated
> children some how. *
>
> *Mantra 8 Overcome the fear of death.*
>
> We think that our spouse and children will be unable to withstand our
> loss. They will be depressed and grieve for you for some time but time he
> is everything and they will move on. *Nobody is indispensable in the law
> of nature. We all know about it but do not want to accept it.*
>
> Author: Rotarian Dr. J.S.Bhuvaneswaran, Honorable member. Rotary Club of
> Coimbatore East.
>
> My note- I have given my comments in most of the points because a Rotarian
> is 99% very wealthy. Persons have their own outlook, irrespective of age. But
> old age problems remains. In old age we require physical and financial
> support. I recollect reading the difficulties of a Judge after
> retirement. Before retirement everything was looked after by others.
>
> Q9 Is it worth it to spend more than 1 lakh crore rupees on a
> bullet train rather than building airports?
>
> A9 Deepesh Deomurari, Senior Art of Living Faculty, Pune,
> IndiaUpdated Sep 29
>
> *Yes - Very Very worthy.*
>
> Bullet train has capacity of 1250 passenger and 12 bullet trains can make
> it run - 1 bullet train every hour. 30,000 people per day or in one month
> it can move an entire city to new location! *Plane capacity is 200 so it
> is just 15% of train capacity.* Airplane is two times expensive than
> Bullet Train! In future, it will be made in India, generating at least 2
> million employment!
>
> *One very big advantage is weight - In plan everyone can carry 22Kg max,
> in train it may be 50 Kg. Also travel time is same - You have to go*
> Airport 2 hours before time and departure also take 30 minutes. So
> eventually it is the same time. In 6 hours you can travel 1000+ km in
> bullet train at 320 km/hour. *Further train route can have 8–10 stations
> while planes can have only 1–2 stops.*
>
> India is a big country and bullet train is very much needed. *For
> example, If I travel from Bangalore to Jabalpur, it takes 36 hours! In
> bullet train it will be 6 hours (including stoppage)*. So, I can go to
> hometown whenever i want. Fare of Bullet train will be near AC II tier.
> So most of us will be able to afford occasional/urgent unavoidable travel.
>
> We are already very late in introducing bullet trains. It will give very
> heavy boost to Tier II and Tier III cities; which are deprive of very heavy
> investments due to connectivity limitations.
>
> Also remember, Japan has given soft loan and considering inflation, Bullet
> Train is almost Free for India as it is under Public Private Partnership.
>
> Q10 How can a senior citizen survive on one meal a day?
>
> A10 Nadine Darpino,Housewife & proud of it (1981–present)Sun
>
> I am 66 years old. I am not as active as I used to be. I only eat if I am
> hungry. I listen to my body*. The clock does not dictate to me when I
> should eat a meal. I eat one or two meals a day*. My team of doctor say
> there is nothing wrong with eating one or two meals a day. All my labs and
> vitals are better than normal.
>
> *All the above QA are from Quora website on 27-10-2022*
>
> *Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers .*
>
> *Compiled **and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, former ITS, 79 years, on
> 28-10-2022*
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