RE 3 had another few words which were safely omitted. DON'T SPEAK BAD ABOUT
OTHERS
1 When you skip you slip revealing your characters. And how a community
arrests the society to fall back from principles is also seen in
discussions galore. Mahabharatham revealed that alone. Bhishmar, Dronar,
Kripar, and so many were supposed to be appearing as dharmic; but their
affinity to clan, even if villainy, even if their women are raped. yet
stand by their clan-faith is the true history of Maha bharatham and the
resultant will always be, dharmam alone will win and it does not care about
, he was a vishnu sahasranama originator. great archer -teacher or much
learnt. "Sully", and from this "Silly" etc arise only from SULLIYAN . All
the 12 around Jesus failed Jesus in the altar. HE was forced to lament,
ELOI ELOI LAMA SABAKTANI".
2 WHAT DOES VALMIKI RAMYANAM SAYS: shrutvaa vinihatam samkhye kumbha karNam
mahaa balam |
raavaNaH shoka samtapto mumoha ca papaata ca || 6-68-6
6. shrutvaa= hearing; mahaabalam kumbhakarNam= (that) the mighty
Kumbhakarna; vinihatam= was killed; samkhye= in battle; raavaNaH= Ravana;
shoka samtaptaH= was tormented with grief; mumohacha= fainted; papaata cha=
and fell too.
Hearing that the mighty Kumbhakarna was killed in battle, Ravana was
tormented with grief and fell down, fainted.
idaaniim khalv aham na asmi yasya me patito bhujaH |
dakShiNo yam samaashritya na bibhemi sura asuraan || 6-68-12
12. medakSiNaH bhujaH= my right hand; yam= which; samaashritya= by taking
refuge; yasyame= by me; na bibhemi= I am not in fear; suraasuraat= of
celestials and ogres; patitaH= has fallen down; aham= I as such; idaaniim=
now; naasmikhalu= am not indeed there (living).
"Indeed I shall no longer live now, that this right hand of mine, taking
refuge on when I had no fear of celestials and ogres, has fallen down."
raajyena na asti me kaaryam kim kariShyaami siitayaa |
kumbha karNa vihiinasya jiivite na asti me ratiH || 6-68-17
17. me= to me; naasti= there is nothing; kaaryam= to be done; raajyena=
with a kingdom; kim kariSyaami= what shall I do; siitaayaa= with Seetha?;
me= to me; kumbhakarNa hiinasya= bereft of Kumbhakarna; naasti= there is
no; matiH= intention; jiivite= to live.
"I have nothing to do with a kingdom and what shall I do with Seetha? I
have no intention to live, bereft of Kumbhakarna."
yadi aham bhraatR^i hantaaram na hanmi yudhi raaghavam |
nanu me maraNam shreyo na ca idam vyartha jiivitam || 6-68-18
18. aham= na hanmiyadi= If I cannot kill; raaghavam= Rama;
bhraatR^ihantaaram= who killed my brother; yudhi= in battle; maraNam=
death; shreyaH nanu= is indeed better; me= for me; idam= this;
vyarthajiivitam= useless life; na= is not (preferable).
"If I cannot kill Rama, who killed my brother, in battle, I would indeed
prefer death, but in no case this useless life which has no meaning."
हीनवीर्यमिवाशक्तं पौरुषेण विवर्जितम् |
भीरुन् लघुमिवासत्त्वं विहीनमिव तेजसा ||६-१०४-२
विमुक्तमिव मायाभिरस्त्रैरिव बहिष्कृतम् |
मामवज्ञाय दुर्बुद्धे स्वया बुद्ध्या विचेष्टसे ||६-१०४-३
2; 3. durbuddhe = O evil-minded fellow!; avaGYaa = despising; maam = me;
vivarjitam = as though I were bereft; pauruSheNa = of manliness; ashaktam =
incapable; hiina viiryamiva = deficient in prowess; bhiirum = cowardly;
laghumiva = petty-minded; asattvam = devoid of energy; vihiinamiva tejasaa =
deserted of conjuring tricks; bahiShkR^itam iva astraiH = and abandoned by
mystic missiles; vicheShTase = you are acting; svayaa buddhyaa = as per
your discretion!
"O evil-minded fellow! Despising me as though I were bereft of manliness,
incapable, deficient in prowess, cowardly, petty-minded, devoid of energy,
bereft of brilliance, deserted of conjuring tricks and abandoned by mystic
missiles, you are acting as per your discretion!"
शत्रोः प्रख्यातवीर्यस्य रञ्जनीयस्य विक्रमैः |
पश्यतो युद्धलुब्धोअहन् कृतः कापुरुषस्त्वया ||६-१०४-६
6. aham = I; yuddha lubdhaH = having an ardent desire for battle; kR^itaH =
was made; kaapuruShaH = a contemptible person; tvayaa = by you; shatroH =
while my enemy; prakhyaata viirasya = having an illustrious prowess;
raN^janiiyasya = making others delightful; vikramaiH = through feats of
his; pashyataH = stood looking on.
"While my adversary, having an illustrious prowess and making others
delightful through feats of his valour, stood looking on, myself, who has
an ardent desire for fighting and who was made contemptible by you!"
सारथिः स रथम् हृष्टं परसैन्यप्रधर्षणम् |
गन्धर्वनगराकारं समुच्छ्रितपाताकिनम् || ६-१०६-१
युक्तं परमसंपन्नैर्वाइभिर्हेममालिभिः |
युद्धोपकरणैः पूर्णं पताकाध्वजमालिनम् || ६-१०६-२
ग्रसन्तमिव चाकाशं नादयन्तं वसुंधराम् |
प्रणाशं परनैन्यानां स्वनैन्यस्य प्रहर्षणम् || ६-१०६-३
रावणस्य रथं क्षिप्रं चोदयामास सारथिः |
1; 2. saH saarathiH = that charioteer; hR^iShTaH = thrilling with rapture;
kShipram = quickly; chodayaamaasa = drove forward; raavaNasya ratham =
Ravana's chariot; para sainya pradharShaNam = which attacked the army of
enemies; gandharva nagaraakaaram = which was in form of Gandharva-city; an
imaginary city in the sky; samuchchhrita pataakinam = mounted with flags;
yuktam = yoked; vaajibhiH = with horses; parama sampannaiH = of excellent
quality; hema maalibhiH = having golden necklaces; puurNam = filled;
yuddhopakaraNaiH = with war-implements; patakaadhvajamaalinam = garlanded
with flags and banners; grasantamiva = as though devouring the sky; naadayantam
vasundharaam = making the earth; resound; praNaasham = which destroyed;
parasainyaanaam = the army of adversaries; para sainyaanaam = the army of
adversaries; pracharShaNam = and caused delight; sva sainyasya = to its own
army.
Thrilling with rapture, that charioteer, the charioteer of Ravana, drove
forward quickly, his chariot, a chariot, which was capable of attacking the
army of enemies, a wonderful piece of art like Gandharva-city, an imaginary
city in the sky, mounted with flags, yoked with horses of excellent quality
adorned with golden necklaces, filled with war-implements, adorned with
rows of flags and banners, which was devouring the sky as it were, making
the earth resound, which was the destroyer of the army of adversaries and
caused delight to its own.
तुमुलं त्रासजननं भीमं भीमप्रतिस्वनम् ||६-१०७-१९
दुर्धर्षमभवद्युद्धे नैकशस्त्रमयं महत् |
19. yuddhe = in that battle; mahat = abundant; varSham = rain; tat
naikashastramayam = of those many missiles; tumulam = which were
tumultuous; traasajananam = generating fear; bhiimam = terrific; bhiima
pratisvanam = attended with a terrible echo; abhavat = descended.
In that battle, abundant rain of various missiles, which were tumultuous,
generating fear, terrific and attended with a terrible echo, descended.
अर्दयन् रावणं रामो राघवं चापि रावणः ||६-१०७-३३
गतिवेगं समापन्नौ प्रतिवेगप्रवर्तने |
33. raamaH = Rama; ardayan = wounding; raavaNam = Ravana; raavaNaH chaapi =
and Ravana too; raaghavam = (wounding) Rama; (both of them); samaapannau =
had recourse to; gativegam = speed in movement; prativega pravartane = in
their forward and backward motion.
Rama wounding Ravana and Ravana too wounding Rama, both of them had
recourse to speed in movement in their forward and backward motions.
आविवेश महान् हर्षो देवानां चारणैः सह |
रावने निहते रौद्रे सर्वलोकभयंकरे || ६-१०८-३०
30. raavane = (When) Ravana; raudre = the cruel demon; sarvaloka bhayakare =
the terror of all the world; nihate = was killed; mahaan = a great; harShaH =
rejoice; aavivesha = took possession of; devaanaan = gods; chaaraNaiH = and
charanas the celestial bards.
When Ravana, the cruel demon and the terror of all the worlds, was killed,
a great rejoice filled the hearts of gods and charanas the celestial bards.
This is the Valmiki description. Ravanan had the passion to family but
never regretted like a debtor. He fought valiantly and died only as a
Hero. Then why did Kamban said Kadan pattar nenjam pola, while in the
Ravana vathaip padalam, he the Kamban says:
கருமமும் கடைக்கண் உறு ஞானமும்,
அருமை சேரும் அவிஞ்சையும் விஞ்சையும்,
பெருமை சால் கொடும் பாவமும் பேர்கலாத்
தருமமும், எனச் சென்று, எதிர் தாக்கினார். 24
சிரம் ஒர் ஆயிரம் தாங்கிய சேடனும்,
உரவு கொற்றத்து உவணத்து அரசனும்,
பொர உடன்றனர் போலப் பொருந்தினர்,
இரவும் நண்பகலும் எனல் ஆயினார். 25
வென்றி அம் திசை யானை வெகுண்டன
ஒன்றை ஒன்று முனிந்தன ஒத்தனர்;
அன்றியும், நரசிங்கமும் ஆடகக்
குன்றம் அன்னவனும் பொரும் கொள்கையார். 26
துவனி வில்லின் பொருட்டு ஒரு தொல்லைநாள்,
'எவன் அ(வ்) ஈசன்?' என்பார் தொழ, ஏற்று, எதிர்
புவனம் மூன்றும் பொலங் கழலால் தொடும்
அவனும் அச் சிவனும் எனல் ஆயினார். 27
ஆவது என்னை கொலாம்?' என்று அறிகிலார்,
'ஏவர் வெல்வர்?' என்று எண்ணலர் ஏங்குவார்,
போவர், மீள்வர், பதைப்பர், பொருமலால்,
தேவரும் தங்கள் செய்கை மறந்தனர். 37
விண் போர்த்தன; திசை போர்த்தன; மலை போர்த்தன; விசை ஓர்
கண் போர்த்தன; கடல் போர்த்தன; படி போர்த்தன; கலையோர்
எண் போர்த்தன; எரி போர்த்தன; இருள் போர்த்தன; 'என்னே,
திண் போர்த் தொழில்!' என்று, ஆனையின் உரி போர்த்தவன் திகைத்தான். 50
வேல் ஆயிரம், மழு ஆயிரம், எழு ஆயிரம், விசிகக்
கோல் ஆயிரம், பிற ஆயிரம், ஒரு கோல் படக் குறைவ-
கால் ஆயின, கனல் ஆயின, உரும் ஆயின, கதிய
சூல் ஆயின, மழை அன்னவன் தொடை பல் வகை தொடுக்க. 55
உடைக் கடல் ஏழினும், உலகம் ஏழினும்,
இடைப் படு தீவினும், மலை ஒர் ஏழினும்,
அடைக்கலப் பொருள் என அரக்கன் வீசிய
படைக்கலம், மழை படு துளியின் பான்மைய. 70 (KR Kalangina Ravanan illai ;
veeramudan porutha ravanan)
சிவனோ? அல்லன்; நான்முகன் அல்லன்; திருமாலாம்
அவனோ? அல்லன்; மெய் வரம் எல்லாம் அடுகின்றான்;
தவனோ என்னின், செய்து முடிக்கும் தரன் அல்லன்;
இவனோதான் அவ் வேத முதல் காரணன்?' என்றான். 135 ( KR Ravanan for the first
time thinks about Rama as GOD)
முக்கோடி வாழ்நாளும், முயன்றுடைய பெருந்தவமும், முதல்வன் முன்நாள்,
'எக் கோடியாராலும் வெலப்படாய்' எனக் கொடுத்த வரமும், ஏனைத்
திக்கோடும் உலகு அனைத்தும் செருக் கடந்த புய வலியும், தின்று, மார்பில்
புக்கு ஓடி உயிர் பருகி, புறம் போயிற்று, இராகவன் தன் புனித வாளி. 197 ( KR
Ravanan killed)
Ravana felt when Rama’s arrows were raining on him:
விடம் கொண்ட மீனைப் போலும் 1 poisoned fish like
வெந்தழல் மெழுகைப் போலும் 2 burning candle like
படங்கொண்ட பாந்தள் வாயில் 3 snaring snake holding the therai in its
mouth like
பற்றிய தேரை போலும்
திடம் கொண்ட ராம பாணம் 4 strong armour of Rama
செருக்களத் துற்ற பொது
கடன் கொண்டார் நெஞ்சம் போலும் 5 as if Debt ridden like Ravanan was shaken
கலங்கினான் இலங்கை வேந்தன்
*vidam konda meenai pOlum*
*venthazhal mezhugai pOlum*
*padam konda pAnthaL vAyil*
*patriya thErai pOlum*
*dhidam konda rAma bAnam*
*serukkaLathu utra pOdhu*
*kadan kondAr nenjam pOlum*
*kalanginAn ilangai vEndhan *Like how a poisoned fish flutters, lie how
light flickers in a candle, like how a toad caught in a snake’s mouth
twitches, like how restless is the mind of a person in debt, such was was
Ravana’s state of mind when he saw the brave Rama’s arrows coming at him in
the battlefield.
Ouyar verse says," ஆன முதலில் அதிகம் செலவானால் மானமிழந்து மதி
கேட்டுப் போன திசை எல்லோர்க்கும் கள்ளனாய் ஏழு பிறப்பும் தீயனாய் நல்லோர்க்கும்
பொல்லனாய் நாடு Ana muthalil athigam selavAnAl mAnamizhandhu madhi
kettup pona thisaiellOrkkum kaLLanAi ezhu pirappum theeyanAi nallOrkkum
pollanAi nAdu. Translation: If you spend more than you earn you will lose
your dignity, peace of mind (sanity), be shunned by everyone as if you are
a thief (worried that you will ask for a loan), and will not be able to get
into the company of good men.
The above description is the misery debt. Debt is economy;
rolling of money; without debt neither the Individual nor the Nation can
progress; it not about borrowing; it is about CRIDITS EXCEEDING THE DEBITS;
debt uncontrollable beoynd the capital. Insolvency; that is tortuous. That
will shake the mind; arrows were too many he recieved; beyond the level of
repayment by arrows. receipts of arrows exceeding the level of fighting o
survive; that is the debt-misery. Valmiki above says the sae which Kamban
did not sway from, but wrote ina way slightly different. Borrowal was not
condemned. But the real shaky minds were seen while safely omitting the 3rd
phrase which the writer is doing. And many Bhismas of our forum by hard and
fast rules being cornered; they are chained by passions. Thank you KR
IRS 30 5 23
On Tue, 30 May 2023 at 06:32, 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Sri Mani.
>
> "Neither a Borrower Nor a Lender Be" - Famous Quote from Shakespeare's
> Hamlet - spoken by Polonius.
>
> It is interesting Kambar and Shakespeare talk on the same subject.
>
> N Sekar
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 02:09:03 PM GMT+4, APS Mani <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> Appropriately added. Thanks, Mani
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 3:14 PM 'N Sekar' via iyer123 <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Thanks.
>
> Re 3 - Borrowing:
>
> Kamban says that Ravana was worried about the course the war was taking,
> and was like:
>
> " Katan Pattar Nenjam Bol Kalanginan Ilangai Vendan"
>
> meaning Ravana was as worried as a " Borrower".
>
> That says, implicitly, a lot about how one should live within one's means
> and not, what we call in Tamizh,
> " Akalak Kaal Vaikathiruthal" - not to live beyond one's means.
>
> This generation is brought up on credit cards, installments, mortgages and
> may not appreciate the deep meanings in our scriptures / Puranas / and
> other Needhi Noolkal. Mortgages are necessary for capital investments but
> there again one should measure one's step.
>
> N Sekar
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 07:07:10 AM GMT+4, venkat giri <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> *Respected Sir/s,*
> *HOW TO LIVE HAPPILY AT THIS AGE:*
> *EAT & SLEEP WELL
> *SMILE & LAUGH LIBERALLY
> *DON'T LOAN/BORROW MONEY& SPEAK BAD ABOUT OTHERS
> *Pat on the back of your wife and express your appreciation for her
> cooking (regardless of taste).
> ..........REST OF LIFE....... WILL BE REWARDING......
> Regards
> V.Sridharan
> Trichy
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