The claim of Dasharatha having 60,000 wives is from later versions of the Ramayana, particularly the Kamba Ramayana. But as far as the Valmiki Ramayana goes, Dasharatha has at least 350 wives, as in the Ayodhya Kanda of the Ramayana: *Book II : Ayodhya Kanda - Book Of Ayodhya Chapter [Sarga] 34*
अर्ध सप्त शताः ताः तु प्रमदाः ताम्र लोचनाः | कौसल्याम् परिवार्य अथ शनैः जग्मुर् = || २-३४-१३ 13. atha = thereafter; taaH = those; ardha sapta shataaH = three hundred and fifty; pramadaaH = women; dhR^itavrataaH = steadfast in their vow (of devotion to their husband); taamra lochanaaH = having red eyes; parivaarya = encircling; kausalyaam = Kausaly; jagmuH = went; shanaiH = slowly. Encircling Kausalya, three hundred fifty women, steadfast in their vow(of devotion to their husband), with their eyes reddened, went there slowly. अर्ध सप्त शताः= sapta satha=700 and divided by half= अर्ध= 700/2=350. धृत व्रताः= devotion to husband Hence 3 Patta mahishis+350 wives=ONLY 353 AND NOT 60000 . 2 Padma puranam Kanchi mutt After the successful completion of Ashvamedha Yagna, Shri Rama continued his normal routine of observing celibacy and administration. Shatrughna killed Lavanaura and ruled Madhurapuri; Bharat administered both the banks of River Sindhu and controlled Gandharvas; Lakshman conquered Madra desha, installed his sons as the Kings and returned to Rama for providing service to him. Shri Rama did Ashvamedha Yanga, after installing a Golden Pratima of Sita; in fact he performed several Yagnas in the same manner. Sage Valmiki exhorted Rama about Sita’s spotlessness and piousness time and again and Shri Rama finally opined that indeed he was fully aware of her chastity and purity but since the allegation came from the Praja (Public), Sita should prove her innocence before the people. Sita then declared in a huge Sabha that if she performed puja to any body else excepting Shri Ram in her mind, thought, tongue or action then my mother Bhu Devi might take her into her mother’s fold. Immediately, there was an Earth-quake and Sita entered into a huge cleavage.Bhu Devi herself lifted Sita into her belly and the great Garuda, the Carrier of Lord Vishnu, lifted her from Rasatala to Vishnu loka as seated on a Golden Throne. After Sita’s disappearance, Shri Rama ruled for eleven thousand years. One day, an old Tapasvi came to see Shri Ram and told him that none should enter his Chamber while he was giving an important message from Lord Brahma in secrecy. Shri Rama called Lakshmana and instructed that none should be allowed to enter as long as he was conversing with the Tapasvi and otherwise that person should be punishable with death. Lakshman himself stood at the door and ensured that none would disturb. The Tapasvi conveyed that since the death of Ravana, Kumbhakarna and other demons Rama was to live for eleven thousand years and that it was time for Rama to leave Earth and return to Vaikuntha. While this secret conversation was going on, Durvasa Maharshi arrived and wished to meet Shri Rama, but Lakshmana declined entry stating that a representative of Brahma was in an important conversation and that he could not see Shri Rama then. Durvasa grew angry and threatened Lakshmana with a severe curse if he did not permit entry. As there was no other alternative between Rama’s instruction and Durvasa’s threat of curse, Lakshman entered River Sarayu, taking his original Swarupa of Ananta Naga with thousand hoods. After the meeting with Kaala Deva in the form of the old Tapasvi, Rama realised that Lakshman also having gone, it was time for him also to terminate his ‘Avatar’; he established Kusha in Kushavati Kingdom and Lava in Dwaravati as their Kings. Taking a hint from Shri Rama, Vibishana, Sugriva, Jambavan, Hanuman, Neela, Nala, Sushena and Nishada Raja Guha arrived. Shatrughna performed the coronatation of his sons at Ayodhya. The rest of them said that they would not like to stay back on Earth in the abscence of Rama even for a moment. But Rama asked Vibhishana to continue in power at Lanka for long time and instructed Hanuman to continue on Earth forever to sustain the message of Shi Rama. The rest of them accompanied Shri Rama into the Sacred Sarayu River. Bharat, Shatrughna, and all the citizens of Ayodhya along with their wives, Mantris, Servants, Vedikas, Brahmanas, the nearby animals, birds, and all other Beings who accompanied Shri Rama never looked back. As Shri Rama went deep into the River, Lord Brahma, Devas, Rishis and all Celestial Beings extolled Raghunatha even as He took the Huge Form of Maha Vishnu with his four hands along with Bharata as Shankha, Shatrughna as Chakra, as also Gada with Sri Devi and Bhu Devi beside Him. After Sita’s disappearance, Shri Rama ruled for eleven thousand years. So if we add up the number years he spent on Earth, before the departure of Sita, we will get his life span. 1. By the time he reached Chitrakuta, at the commencement of 14 years of exile period - 25 years 2. मम भर्ता महातेजा वयसा पंच विंशकः || ३-४७-१० aranya kandam sarga 47 verse 10 अष्टा दश हि वर्षाणि मम जन्मनि गण्यते |seetha 18 and Rama 25 3. 10b, 11. mahaatejaa mama bhartaa = great resplendent my, husband; vayasaa panca vimshakaH = by age, five, twenty - twenty-five years; mama janmani = my, from birth; aSTaa dasha varSaaNi hi = eight, ten - eighteen, years, only; gaNyate = reckoned up. 4. "My great-resplendent husband was of twenty-five years of age at that time, and to me eighteen years are reckoned up from my birth. [3-47-10b, 11a] 5. Years spent in exile period - 14 years 6. Period elapsed between his ascension to kingdom to the fight between him and his sons - 20 years (approx) 3 1 Rama took birth when Dasaratha was in the age of 60,000 years. 2 Rama went first time to the forests along with Viswamithra in between the ages of 12 and 16. He married Sita in this age, and their age difference is 6 to 8 years. 3 He lived with Sita happily for 12 years as said by Sita to Ravana, when he came to kidnap Sita, in the form of a sage. 4 When he started again to Dandakaranya, he was of the age ~ 25 Rama lived in Chithrakuta, for one and half months which is near Allahabad in the banks of Mandakini river. Rama, Lakshmana, and Sita lived in the huts of many sages like Suthikshna , one month, two months, three months etc like that for 10 years. After that, they lived for three years in Panchavati, near Nasik. Fourteenth year Sita kidnapped by Ravana. Rama searched Sita with grief and went to Kishkindha. After Vali’s death and Sugriva’s Pattabhishekam, Rama spent the rainy days on Prasravana mountain for four months. In the last month of 14 years, war was happened in Sri Lanka . Ravana was killed by Rama on the Amavasya day of Phalguna month. They returned on Chaitra Panchami along with all the others in Pushpaka Vimana. He was in Bharadvaja Asrama on this day of Panchami. On Chaithra Suddha Navami, the birth day of Rama, Rama mounted on throne by Bharatha. 5 He ruled Ayodhya for 10,000 years along with Sita and Lakshmana happily. Lava and Kuśa were born in this age. 6 After Sita’s restoration he lived for some years only (~1000 years) and again restored to his own abode. 1 𝐑𝐚𝐦𝐚 𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐚𝐬𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐡'𝐬 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐨𝐟 60000 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 षष्टिर्वर्षसहस्राणि जातस्य मम कौशिक || १-२०-१० Bala kandam1-20-10 कृच्छ्रेणोत्पादितश्चायं न रामं नेतुमर्हसि | 10b, 11a. koushika = oh Vishvamitra; jaatasya mama = birthed, for me [from my birth]; SaSTiH varSasahasraaNi = sixty thousand years [passed] ; ayam = this one [Rama]; kR^icChreNa = with tribulations; utpaaditaH cha = is produced given birth, also; raamam netum na arhasi = unapt of you to take Rama with you. "Sixty thousand years have passed from my birth, oh! Vishvamitra, and this Rama is engendered at this age, that too with tribulations, hence taking Rama with you will be inappropriate of you. [1-20-10b, 11a] 2 𝗥𝗮𝗺𝗮 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗱 𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗮 (6𝘆𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗹𝗱) 𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗼𝗳 12 ऊनषोडशवर्षो मे रामो राजीवलोचनः | न युद्धयोग्यतामस्य पश्यामि सह राक्षसैः || १-२०-२ 2. raajiivalochanaH = lotus eyed one; me raamaH = my, Rama; uunaSoDashavarSaH = is less than sixteen years [of age]; asya raakShasaiH saha = his, with, demons; yuddhayogyataam = warring aptitude; na pashyaami = I don't see. ""Less than sixteen years of age is my lotus-eyed Rama, and I see no warring aptitude to him with the demons. [1-20-2] This particular statement uunaSoDashavarSaH less than sixteen years, has evoked a spate of commentaries in deciding the age of Rama at this juncture of going along with Sage Viswamitra, i.e., at the time of his marrying Seeta and at the time of his exile to forests etc. His age is said to be twelve years as of now. And this is confirmed by Mareecha while advising Ravana, that 'as a boy of twelve Rama, killed my mother and brother, and hit me out' as at 3-38-6, uunadvaadashavarSaH Or, baalo dvaadashavarSo ayam as per other versions of the same verse. Some others said that because Rama has not yet attained all the sixteen phases like full moon, he is not a full-fledged person, chaaru SoDashakalaasahitaH Again in saying: raajiivalochana lotus-eyed one - petals of lotuses close down by night, so Rama's eyelids too close by night for a boyish sleep. Then how can such a boy war with night-active demons? In answer to this Sage Vishvamitra uses the same wording in previous chapter at 1-19-18, dasharaatram; raamam raajiivalocanam where the wording raajiivalocana is used by Vishvamitra in the sense that the petals of a lotus spread out on the first rays of sun. So also the very opening of the lotus-petal eyelids of Rama will eradicate the nightly menace of demons with his Omniscient Sun-Moon-Fire eyes, suuryachandraagnilochanaH , that can see even in night. A Kshatriya of sixteen years age is unfit to war with any one, as he is still a childhood baalaH aaSoDashaavarSaH . But Rama is under sixteen, and he is being requisitioned for war. Can he combat even if he is under aged? Yes, he can, says Govindaraja as per the nyaya /syndrome, tejasaam hi na vayaH samiikShyate 'dextrous person's age is not to be reckoned' As such, though Rama appears to be under aged he can do wonders in eliminating the vice. This is again rounded off with Vishvamitra's wording in last chapter: aham vedmi mahaatmaanam raamam raajiivalocanam. 3 ℝ𝕒𝕞𝕒 𝕝𝕚𝕧𝕖𝕕 𝕙𝕒𝕡𝕡𝕚𝕝𝕪 𝕨𝕚𝕥𝕙 𝕤𝕚𝕥𝕙𝕒 𝕒𝕣𝕠𝕟𝕕 12 𝕪𝕖𝕒𝕣𝕤 𝕚𝕟 𝕒𝕪𝕠𝕕𝕙𝕪𝕒 ...उषित्वा द्वा दश समाः इक्ष्वाकूणाम् निवेशने | ...भुंजाना मानुषान् भोगान् सर्व काम समृद्धिनी || ३-४७-४ 4. dvaa dasha samaaH = two, ten [twelve,] years; ikshvaakuuNaam niveshane uSitvaa = Ikshvaku's, in residence, on residing; maanuSaan bhogaan bhunjaanaa = humanly, prosperities, relishing; sarva kaama samR^iddhinii = all, cherishes, in sumptuosity - I was. "On residing in the residence of Ikshvaku-s in Ayodhya for twelve years, I was in sumptuosity of all cherishes while relishing all humanly prosperities. [3-47-4] (iv) Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara Kanda, Chapter 33, Verse 17: "samaa dvaadasha tatra aham raaghavasya niveshane || 5-33-17 ......bhunjaanaa maanushaan bhogaan sarva kaama samriddhinii |" 𝐒𝐢𝐭𝐚 𝐒𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐇𝐚𝐧𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧: "I stayed in Rama's house there for twelve years, enjoying the worldly pleasures belonging to human kind and fulfilling all my desires." Marriage was at 12 years old Rama and plus 12 years of stay of Sita at Ayodhya, means 24 years of Rama. 4 𝕾𝖙𝖆𝖗𝖙𝖊𝖉 𝖛𝖆𝖓𝖆 𝖛𝖆𝖆𝖘𝖆 𝖆𝖙 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖌𝖊 𝖔𝖋 25 Sita told Ravana her age and Rama's age while leaving Ayodhya. 'mama bhartaa mahaatejaa vayasaa panca vimshakah || 3-47-10b ..astaa dasha hi varhsaani mama janmani ganyate |' "My great-resplendent husband was of twenty-five years of age at that time, and to me eighteen years are reckoned up from my birth.[3-47-10b, 11a] ..तत्र त्रयो दशे वर्षे राज अमंत्र्यत प्रभुः | ...अभिषेचयितुम् रामम् समेतो राज मन्त्रिभिः || ३-४७-५ 5. tatra = therein [of Ayodhya]; prabhuH raaja = lord and king - Dasharatha; trayaH dashe varSe = thirteenth, in year; raaja mantribhiH sametaH = imperial, ministers, together with; raamam abhiSecayitum = Rama, to anoint [as Crown Prince]; amantryata = deliberated. "In the thirteenth year the lordly king Dasharatha deliberated together with his imperial ministers to anoint Rama as Crown Prince of Ayodhya.[3-47-5] 5 𝙍𝙖𝙢𝙖 𝙧𝙪𝙡𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙮𝙤𝙙𝙝𝙮𝙖 𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙝𝙖 10000 𝙮𝙚𝙖𝙨 𝙖𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙥𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙗𝙝𝙞𝙨𝙝𝙚𝙠𝙖 सर्वे लक्षणसम्पन्नाः सर्वे धर्मपरायणाः || ६-१२८-१०६ ...दशवर्षसहस्राणि रामो राज्यमकारयत् | 106. sarve = all; lakShaNa sampannaaH = were endowed with good characteristics; sarve = all; dharmaparaayaNaaH = were engaged in virtue; raamaH = Rama; akaarayat = was engaged; raajyam = in kingship;Dasa varSha sahasraaNi = for ten thousand years.All the people were endowed with excellent characteristics. All were engaged in virtue. Rama was engaged in the kingship thus for ten thousand years. 6 ʀᴀᴍᴀ ʀᴜʟᴇᴅ ᴀʏᴏᴅʜʏᴀ ᴀʟᴏɴɢ ᴡɪᴛʜ ʟᴀᴠᴀᴋᴜsᴀ ᴀғᴛᴇʀ sɪᴛᴀ ᴠɪʏᴏɢᴀ ᴀʀᴏᴜɴᴅ 1000 ʏᴇᴀʀs daśa varṣa sahasrāṇi daśa varṣa śatāni ca | rāmo rājyam upāsitvā brahma lokam prayāsyati || 1-1-97 97. raamaH = Rama; raajyam upaasitvaa = having served the kingdom dasha-varSa-sahasraaNi = for ten thousand years; dasha-varsha-shataani ca = and also for thousand years; brahma lokam gamishhyati = will go to the abode of Brahma. "Having served the kingdom for ten thousand years and another one thousand years, i.e. for a total of eleven thousand years, Rama will go to the abode of Brahma...[1-1-97] He ruled with sitha 10000 years and totally 11000 years. So along with lavakusa are ruled 1000 years. 1 Sita delivered lavakusa when satrugna is in valmiki asrama Uttarakanda [7-66-1] Satrughna arrived valmiki asrama on the way to go to fight with ᏞᎪᏙᎪΝᎪՏႮᎡᎪ 2 12 years passed Returend to asram after killing of Lavasura and at that time he listened ramayana beautifully sang by lavakusa.Uttarakanda 7-70-1 3 Lavakusa reached rama after sitha ʀᴇsᴛᴏʀᴀᴛɪᴏɴ and lord rama ruled with them almost 1000 years.So the 🇦 🇬 🇪 🇴 🇫 🇷 🇦 🇲 🇦 Is At marriage 12 yrs+ At ayodhya after marriage 12 yrs+ Return from forest after 14 yrs+Ruled with sitha 10000 yrs+ Met with lavkusha after 13 yrs+ Ruled With lavakusa 1000 yrs So total 11051years lived.(12+12+14+10000+13+1000=11051)1or 2 years variations present between commentators. (to be contd) KR IRS 14 7 23 On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 17:50, Chittanandam V R <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *மறைத்துக் காட்டும் கம்பன் - 15* > > கம்பன் மறைத்துக் காட்டிய பெயர்களில் இன்று.... > > ஐபிஎல் விளையாட்டு போல் தொடர்ந்து துரத்தி வரும் ஆண் தகைதான் இன்றும். > > இன்று நாம் காண இருக்கும் பாடலிலும் தயரதனைக் குறிக்க இரண்டு பெயர்களை > கம்பன் மறைத்துக் குறிப்பிடுகிறான். > > 1. முளரித் தாள் - சொன்னது என்னமோ தாமரையாகிய திருவடிதான். ஆனால் இங்கே அது > தயரத மன்னனுக்கு காலில் சூட்டிய கம்பனின் பட்டம் இது. > > 2. ஆண் தகை நெடு முடி அரசர் கோமகன் - ஆடவர் திலகமாய அருங்குணம் உடைய நீண்ட > மகுடம் அணிந்த மன்னர் மன்னன் இப்படி அடுக்கியபடி பரதன் வாய் வழியாக > புகழப்படும் அரசனும் தயரதன்தான். > > இதோ கம்பனின் முழுப்பாடலும். > > *‘மூண்டு எழு காதலால், முளரித் தாள் தொழ* > *வேண்டினென், எய்தினென், உள்ளம் விம்முமால்;* > *ஆண் தகை நெடு முடி அரசர் கோமகன்* > *யாண்டையான்? பணித்திர்’ என்று, இரு கை கூப்பினான்.* > > (பரதன் கைகேயியைப் பார்த்து) என் உள்ளத்திலிருந்து மேல் எழும்புகின்ற பெரு > விருப்பத்தால், (தயரத மன்னனது) தாமரையாகிய திருவடிகளை வழிபட, விரும்பி > வந்துள்ளேன். (தந்தையைக் காண) மனம் துடிக்கிறது. ஆடவர் திலகமாய அருங்குணம் > உடைய நீண்ட மகுடம் அணிந்த மன்னர் மன்னனாகிய தயரதன் எவ்விடத்தான்? > சொல்லுங்கள்;’ என்று இரண்டு கைகளையும் குவித்துத் தாயை வணங்கினான். > > 2233 - அயோத்தியா காண்டம்; பள்ளிபடைப் படலம் > > ஆமா... தெரியாமத்தான் கேக்கிறேன்... அதென்ன நெடுமுடி ? > > அறுபதினாயிரம் ஆண்டுகளுக்கு மேலாக அரசு வீற்றிருந்தவன் தயரதன். ஆகவே நெடுமுடி > என்பதும் அவருக்குத்தான் பொருந்துமாம். நாமளும் மருவாதையா *நெடுமுடியார்* > என்றும் அழைக்கலாமோ! > > அது சரீ.... என்ன அந்த அறுபதினாயிரம் கணக்கு? > > தயரதன் ஆண்டது 60K > > அந்தப்புரத்தில் 60K > > மந்திரிமார்கள் 60K (அந்தக்காலத்திலேயே இலாகா இல்லாத மந்திரிகள் > இருந்திருப்பார்களோ? - கேள்வி கேட்டவர் முனைவர் சரஸ்வதி இராமநாதன் அம்மா > அவர்கள்) > > ஜனகன் வில்லை தூக்கி வந்தோர் 60K > > ஏன் இப்படி? யானை இருந்தாலும் இறந்தாலும் ஆயிரம் பொன் என்பர். தயரதன் > ராசியும் அப்படித்தான். > > வரத்தால் 60000 ஆண்டு ஆளும் பேறு கிடைக்கிறது. (சாபத்தால் இறப்பும் > தொடர்கிறது.) > > முன்பு ஒரு காலத்தில் (முருங்க மரக் காட்டில் அல்ல) தர்மாங்கதர் ஓம் நமோ > நாராயணாய என்ற மந்திரத்தை உச்சரித்தபடி தவம் செய்து கொண்டிருந்தாரம். அவரை > கலகை என்ற பேய் பிடிக்கப் போக, அவர் தன் மந்திர சக்தியால் பேயிலிருந்து மாற்றி > தன் தவ வலிமையில் பாதி தந்தாராம். > > இந்த கலகை தான் கைகேயி வடிவில் பின்னர் வில்லியானவர். > > தர்மாங்கதர் தான் தயரதன் வடிவில் இறைவன் அருளால் 60000 ஆண்டுகள் தவ வாழ்வு > மேற்கொள்ள வரம் பெற்றவராம். அது தான் 60 k இந்த ரூட். > > பேசாமெ பேயாகவே விட்டிருக்கலாமோ என்று தோன்றுகிறதோ! > > கலகை ஏன் பேயானாள்? > > அந்தப்புரத்தில் அறுபதினாயிரம் எதுக்கு? > > கம்பன் சொல்லாத கிளைக்கதைகள் பல. பின்னர் பார்ப்போம். > > இப்போதைக்கு நம்ம ரூட்டு... ஆண் தகைகளின் வரிசை தொடர வேண்டும். ரூட்டு > மாறிடக் கூடாது பாருங்க.. > > *அந்தமான் கிருஷ்ணமூர்த்தி* > *(அந்தமான் தமிழ்நெஞ்சன்)* > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > *சித்தானந்தம் * > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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