riddle No. 2
THE ORIGIN OF THE VEDAS—
THE BRAHMINIC EXPLANATION OR AN EXERCISE IN THE ART OF CIRCUMLOCUTION
There is hardly any Hindu who does not regard the Vedas as the most sacred
Book of his religion. And yet ask any Hindu what is the origin of the Vedas
and it would be difficult to find one who can give a clear and a definite
answer to the simple question. Of course, if the question was addressed to
a Vedic Brahmin, he would say that the Vedas are Sanatana. But this is no
answer to the question. For first of all what does the word Sanatana means?
KR Declaration of it is not right answer itself is baseless, as
what does not have a beginning and an end is SANATANA. Brahmam from whom
the Vedas arose as manifested, so the Brahmam says in BG
*अहमात्मा* *गुडाकेश* *सर्वभूताशयस्थित**: **|*
*अहमादिश्च* *मध्यं* *च* *भूतानामन्त* *एव* *च* *|| **20**||chap10*
aham ātmā guḍākeśha sarva-bhūtāśhaya-sthitaḥ
aham ādiśh cha madhyaṁ cha bhūtānām anta eva cha
*BG 10.20**: O Arjun, I am seated in the heart of all living entities. I am
the beginning, middle, and end of all beings.*
Hence does it not reveal the age and the origin of the brahmam and the
Vedas?
[We have found 72 pages dealing with the subject " Origin of the Vedas ".
These pages were neither arranged properly nor paged either by the typist
or by the author. We have attempted to organize and arrange all these loose
papers systematically and divide them into the Riddle No, 2 to 6, in
accordance with the arrangement given in the Table of contents. It is
difficult to assume that all these pages are complete in the treatment of
the subject of each Chapter.
(There is, however, one independent chapter containing 61 pages under the
title 'Riddle of the Vedas 'placed as Appendix I. That essay deals with all
the subjects mentioned in the Table of Contents at Sr. No. 2 to 6 in a
consolidated manner. Several paras may be found repeated in that essay. The
original MS of the chapters 2 to 6 included here hears corrections and
modifications in the handwriting of the author, whereas the Chapter
included as Appendix I is a typed second copy having no corrections at all.
We have followed the chronology of the Table of contents and the pages of
corrected MS are arranged accordingly.)]—KR THIS IS THE PRINTER’S NOTES SO
YOU MAY BY PASS
2 The best explanation of the word Sanatana is to be found in the
Commentary by Kalluka Bhatt on Chapter I Shlokas 22-23 of the Manu Smriti.
This is what Kulluka Bhatt defines the word Sanatana*[f1].
"The word Sanatana he says, means 'eternally pre-existing'. The doctrine of
the superhuman origin of the Vedas is maintained by Manu. The same Vedas
which (existed) in the previous mundane era (Kalpa) were preserved in the
memory of the omniscient Brahma, who was one with the supreme spirit. It
was those same Vedas that, in the beginning of the present Kalpa, he drew
forth from Agni, Vayu and Surya; and this dogma, which is founded upon the
Veda, is not to be questioned, for the Veda says, 'the Rig-Veda comes from
Agni, the Yajur-Veda from Vayu, and the Sama-Veda from Surya. " To
understand the explanation by Kulluka Bhatt it is necessary to explain
what Kalpa
means.
A Kalpa is a reckoning of time adopted by the Vedic Brahmins. The
Brahmanic reckoning of time divides time into (1) Varsha, (2) Yuga, (3)
Mahayuga, (4) Manvantara and (5) Kalpa.
Varsha is easy enough to understand. It corresponds to the term year.
What exactly the period of time covered by the term Yuga covers there is no
unanimity.
A Mahayuga is a period covered by a group of four Yugas: (1) Krita Yuga,
(2) Treta Yuga, (3) Dwapar Yuga and (4) Kali Yuga. The four Yugas follow
one another in a cycle, when the period of the first Yuga is spent it is
followed by the second and so on in the order given. When the cycle is
complete one Mahayuga is completed and a new Mahayuga opens. Every Mahayuga
begins with the Krita Yuga and ends with Kali Yuga.
There is no uncertainty as to the time relation of a Mahayuga and a Kalpa.
71 Mahayugas make one Kalpa. There is however some uncertainty as to the
time relation between Mahayuga and Manvantara. A Manvantara is equal to 71
Mahayugas "and something more"'. What exact period of time that 'something
more' means, the Brahmins have not been able to state categorically.
Consequently
the time relation between Manvantara and Kalpa is uncertain.
But this does not matter very much for our present purposes. For the
present it is enough to confine our attention to Kalpa.
The idea underlying ' Kalpa ' is closely connected with the creation and
dissolution of the Universe. The creation of the world is called Srishti.
The dissolution of the universe is called Pralaya. Time between Srashti and
Pralaya is called Kalpa. The idea of the origin of the Vedas is thus more
intimately connected with the idea of Kalpa.
According to this scheme of things, what is supposed to happen is that
when a Kalpa begins creation begins. With the beginning of the creation
there comes into being a new series of Vedas. What Kulluka Bhatt wants to
convey is that though in a sense every new Kalpa has a new series of Vedas
the same old Vedas are reproduced by Brahma from his memory. That is why he
says the Vedas are Sanatan i.e., eternally pre-existing.
What Kalluka Bhatt says is that the Vedas are reproduced from memory. The
real question is who made them and not who reproduced them. Even if one
accepts the theory of reproduction at the beginning of each Kalpa the
question still remains who made the Vedas when the First Kalpa began. The
Vedas could not have come into being ex-nihilo. They must have a beginning
though they may have no end. Why don't the Brahmins say openly? Why this
circumlocution?
KR Why this circumlocution by the writer as above inbits and pieces
incognito?
Suppose for argumentative sake, Bible of 4 authors produced
after 42 years of the end of Christ, how were accepted by so many, (may be
the incognito also may be) as correct and complete/; only as told by
Christ; as perfect as revealed by Christ; and how Moses broken tablets were
so exact and reproduced as ten commandments? similarly that of Nabhi as
recorded only long time after. All these were hardly 2000 years old and so
much of clouds. Sanatana is admitted as belonging to Kalpa. Such a long
description of the Kalpa is narrated. And had he studies properly he could
have known that “SOMETHING also added to 71. Indians had considered the
whole sum; a building is constructed; then bombarded; and again
reconstructed; and if the bombardment had taken on 23 7 23 the building
thoughts of the reconstruction, fetching money and materials, getting
workers and Boomi Puja fixation and then starting and ending will take
“SOMETIME-SOMETHING; the cool off period in science; that is also available
where 71 was studied by the writer. Awkward reading ends in these types of
riddles only for him or her and not for the HINDU.
Brahma is not the owner sir; Brahmam is the owner. Brahmam taught
to Brahma the creator, in order to help the creation. When Brahma goes off
at the end of Kalpa his days of 100 years, THE Vedas are only with the
Brahmam. Knowledge transfer does not make the learner to grab the rights
for the knowledge. So, nothing new is created in Vedas; sane Vedas now
running in the 28th Manvantara now. Same history and existence of the same
specie and counters; who knows that me and Narayanasamy clashed in the last
27 manvantaras also.
*न* *त्वेवाहं* *जातु* *नासं* *न* *त्वं* *नेमे* *जनाधिपाः* *|*
*न* *चैव* *न* *भविष्याम**: **सर्वे* *वयमत**: **परम्* *|| **12**||*
*na tvevāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ na chaiva na bhaviṣhyāmaḥ
sarve vayamataḥ param*
*BG 2.12**: Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all
these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.*
All existed in all times. Death and birth are repetitive. Destroyed are
constant matter existed all the times; souls wore new shirts always; all
went through one door and reappeared, through another door.
Vedas do say that nothing can come nothing so one here need not tech
physics. It was not made; it was owned and manifested. Nobody knows when
brahmam wrote. Even the British predicted the date of Rigvedam, only from
the oldest palm leaves found by carbon method as 1200 BCE; suppose a copy
of 2025 were to be found today, British might have said it was never
existed. So, no one said when hence SANATANA. Kaluka Bhatta said correctly;
it pre-existed. END. K R IRS 28723
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