Mr ARR released a good view of a person. Logically I am asking a good
parent; will you curse your children for not doing anything?; NO; mno idiot
will do it. That is parenthood. So nothing wrong in observing as Mr
Viswanath is observing. If one were to self-cheat one's heart by such
pretensions, it is indirectly cursing them only. The Vedas teach only one
thing.
वेदमनूच्याचार्यो'न्तेवामिनमनुशास्ति ॥ १ ॥
vedamanūcyācāryo'ntevāminamanuśāsti
|| 1 || Having taught the Veda, the teacher then exhorts the pupil. After
teaching the Veda to the pupil (ante-vāsin, *lit.,* he that dwells near),
then the teacher begins to exhort him: that is to say, when the pupil has
learnt the texts, the teacher then instructs him in the meaning of the
texts. This gives us to understand that after learning the Veda the pupil
should not turn back from the abode of the teacher without making an
enquiry into Dharma, into the nature of the works enjoined in the Veda, And
the smṛti says:
“And one should know and then engage in works.” Who the teacher is, Manu
says as follows: “The twice-born who draws the pupil near and teaches him
the Veda with the (ritualistic)
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-taittiriya-upanishad/d/doc79789.html#page-155>formulas
as well as the secrets, him they call a teacher.” The pupil is he who
always dwells in close proximity with a teacher, such as the one described
above. The smṛti says: “Never leaving him, his shadow as it were, (the
pupil) should reside with the teacher.” To such a pupil, the master teaches
the Veda after drawing him near, i. e., after due initiation (Śḥ. up-nī =
to lead near). Then, when the pupil has learned the text, the teacher
instructs him in the duties to be performed. From this we understand that
after learning the Veda the pupil should not return home from the teacher’s
family without enquiring into Dharma. { Tha malais lies in placing one in
wrong institutions and teachers}
II सत्यं वद । धर्मं चर ॥ २ ॥ is the duty earthed here; satyaṃ vada |
dharmaṃ cara || 2 || 2. Speak the true. Follow Dharma. Speak the true: give
utterance to what thou comest to know by proper evidence and what is worthy
of utterance. And thou shalt follow Dharma, too. ‘Dharma’ here stands for
duty in general, inasmuch as the several duties, such as truth-speaking,
are particularised below. The wise who know all Dharma lay down that
truth-speaking consists in giving utterance to a thing as it is perceived,
without hypocrisy or a motive to do injury. The wise say that Dharma
consists in the observance of Agnihotra and other works.—(S). Truth-speaking
stands also for other virtues mentioned along with it, such as
“harmlessness, truth, the abstaining
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-taittiriya-upanishad/d/doc79789.html#page-156>from
theft,” etc.[9]
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-taittiriya-upanishad/d/doc79789.html#note-e-44861>
‘Dharma’
means Agnihotra and other sacrificial rites enjoined in the extant śrutis.
Jaimini has defined it thus; “Dharma is the thing taught in (the word of)
command (Veda)” Thus the two comprehensive sentences teach that all duties
enjoined in the śruti and the smṛti should be observed.
III On the principle that “Once done, the command of the scriptures has
been observed,” one may suppose that after a single performance of the
works enjoined in the śruti and the smṛti they may be abandoned. To prevent
this supposition the śruti commands as follows:
स्वाध्यायान्मा प्रमदः । आचार्याय प्रियं धनमाहृत्य प्रजातन्तुं मा
व्यवच्छेत्सीः । सत्यान्न प्रमदितव्यम् । धर्मान्न प्रमदितव्यम् । कुशलान्न
प्रमदितव्यम् । भूत्यै न प्रमदितव्यम् । स्वाध्यायप्रवचनाभ्यां न प्रमदितव्यम्
। देवपितृकार्याभ्यां न प्रमदितव्यम् ॥ ३ ॥
svādhyāyānmā pramadaḥ | ācāryāya priyaṃ dhanamāhṛtya prajātantuṃ mā
vyavacchetsīḥ | satyānna pramaditavyam | dharmānna pramaditavyam |
kuśalānna pramaditavyam | bhūtyai na pramaditavyam |
svādhyāyapravacanābhyāṃ na pramaditavyam | devapitṛkāryābhyāṃ na
pramaditavyam || 3 ||
3. From study swerve thou not. Having offered dear wealth to the teacher,
cut thou not the progeny’s line. From the true it will not do to swerve,
nor from Dharma, nor from welfare. Neither will it do to swerve from
well-being, nor from study and teaching, nor from duties to Devas and Pitṛs.
Be thou never negligent of study. Never forget the scriptures thou hast
learnt from the Guru. The smṛti says: “Know that to forget what has been
learnt Is equal to brāhmanicide.” As a return for the knowledge, do thou
obtain for the teacher a most acceptable wealth and give it to him. Then,
with the permission of the teacher, secure a suitable wife and prevent
break in the line of descent. It will not do to bring about a break in the
line of descent. That is to say, if a son is not born, attempts should de
made to get a son by means of sacrificial rites such as the
Putrakamya-iṣṭi, a rite performed with a view to get sons. This appears to
be the meaning of the śruti because of the mention of three duties,
“offspring, begetting, and propagation.” Otherwise, the śruti would have
mentioned only one,—that of begetting. To swerve from the true is to have
an occasion to utter a falsehood. In virtue of the word ‘swerve’ we
understand that it will not do to utter falsehood even in forgetfulness:
otherwise the śruti would have simply forbidden the uttering of falsehood. The
śruti again speaks of the duty of truth-speaking with a view to teach that
one should never tell a lie, however small, even in forgetfulness.—(S). It
will not do to swerve from Dharma. Dharma refers to some particular works
to be done; to swerve from Dharma, therefore, means to neglect those
<https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-taittiriya-upanishad/d/doc79789.html#page-158>works.
Dharma should never be neglected; it should be observed. It will never do
to swerve from welfare—*i. e.*, from acts tending to self-preservation—nor
from well-being, *i. e.*, from those auspicious acts which promote one's
prosperity.
The means of self-preservation are either physical or superphysical. The
Vedas recommend certain rites whereby to secure longevity and health (
*vide.* Taittirīya-Saṃhitā II. iii. 11), and these are the super-physical
means; medicine and the like constitute the physical means. Similarly,
there are both physical and super-physical means of acquiring wealth. The
Taittirīya Saṃhitā 2–1–1 prescribes a super-physical means to it. The
accepting of gifts from others is the physical means. Since, without
welfare and wealth, it is not possible to perform the woks which are
conducive to mokṣa, it is necessary to warn against the neglect of welfare
and wealth. To study the Vedas and to teach them are indeed absolutely
necessary. First the śruti warned against the forgetting of what has been
learned. Here is a warning against the neglect of teaching to others what
has been learnt, as well as against the omission of Brahma-yajña. It is
also necessary to observe all the rites (enjoined for the propitiation) of
Devas and Pitṛs.
IV मातृदेवो भव । पितृदेवो भव । आचार्यदेवो भव । अतिथिदेवो भव ॥ ४ ॥ mātṛdevo
bhava | pitṛdevo bhava | ācāryadevo bhava | atithidevo bhava || 4 || 4.
Treat thy mother as a God; as a God treat thou thy father; as a God shalt
thou treat thy teacher; thy guests as Gods shalt thou treat. These should
be worshipped as Devatās. Worship thy mother as if she were a Deva,—Rudra,
Viṣṇu, Vināyaka, or the like.
V TAITTIRIYA UPANISHAD—1.11.2 Devapitrukaaryaabhyaam na pramaditavyam
I Maatrudevobhava I Pitrudevo bhava I Aacaaryadevo bhava I Atithidevo bhava
II1.11.2II “Never swerve from duties towards Gods and towards the departed
‘souls’ (Manes). May the mother be, to thee, a God. May the father, to
thee, a God. May the preceptor be, to thee, a God. May the guest be, to
thee, a God.” 1.11.2
Now where the malais lie? If we do not wish to trouble our children because
we wish to lead life in our own way and enter into our vanaprstha style
that is diffrent. Howevber, explaining the children mannerisms as good by
words of self appraise is wrong. Rest is history. KR IRS 19 8 23
On Sat, 19 Aug 2023 at 09:30, ARR <[email protected]> wrote:
> You gave the best education to your children. Post education, they left
> India after putting you in an old age home. Do you regret giving them the
> best education?
>
> An excellent reply by Gopalakrishna Vishwanath.
>
> 👇👇
>
> Yes, we gave the best education to our children and the best upbringing
> that we were capable of. Post education they left India and have settled
> abroad and become citizens of those countries. They did not “put us in an
> old age home”. We, of our own free will, moved into a retirement home where
> we own our apartment and pay for excellent supporting services. I have
> written extensively on this subject and anyone interested can visit my
> Space “Life in retirement” and read the posts and get an idea of what life
> in a good retirement home is like. We consulted our children and convinced
> them that it was the best thing to do so that they don’t have to worry
> about us. We visit them often and they visit us whenever they can. We stay
> in touch using phones and internet videos. Not even once have we felt
> deprived of the company of our children. We are financially secure, and
> currently do not depend on our children for money. But we know that in the
> future, if, God forbid, we run out of money, our children can be counted
> upon to support us financially. We will not expect them to give up their
> flourishing careers abroad and give up everything and come back just to
> take care of us. Their priorities should be their own children. If the
> situation calls for us to have our children with us, we will move to their
> places, not expect them to uproot themselves and come to live with us.
> Coming to the actual question, we do not regret anything. We are proud to
> have done our duty to our children. We are happy about their success. We
> are happy that they are doing better than we did for ourselves. We did not
> have our children and think of them as an investment and expect returns on
> this investment during our old age. We had our children for experiencing
> the joy of parenthood, for the opportunity to shower our love and attention
> on them, and for watching them grow, into talented, educated, responsible
> people. *Our children did not ask to be born. We brought them into this
> world without their permission. We have not done them any favour by raising
> them. That was our duty. They owe us nothing. Let them do for the next
> generation, what we did for them. That is enough for us.* 🙏🙏
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "iyer123" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to [email protected].
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CABnwRDeUfiFNATcHOs0rdNuXFZeHtJ-YCHu%2BX2NqzsAQoUjESg%40mail.gmail.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CABnwRDeUfiFNATcHOs0rdNuXFZeHtJ-YCHu%2BX2NqzsAQoUjESg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
> .
>
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Thatha_Patty" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to [email protected].
To view this discussion on the web visit
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqm-kzuKeTh8OgbDqXMSa8CorsuKiL3XEkaYFQ9fAzhHg%40mail.gmail.com.
