VEDA FEATURES 1 dated 22 9 23 from KR IRS
Dear folks
It is not at all surprising that totally uneducated know-nothing
dustbin-raider and garbage-collector,plus propagator of fallacy after
fallacy and untruth after untruth should come out with truckloads of
blasphemous garbage and try to muddy the clear waters of our scriptures,
especially r'g-vedam and yajur-vedam, neither of which he has studied under
competent, reliable, known or learned preceptors.
First of all, he does not even know that both the samhitha and the
braahmanam are integral parts of the same yajur-vedam.
Second, he does not know that manthrams occurring in the yajur-veda
SAMHITHA also
are found in r'g-vedam. As I have already pointed in the manthram,
"ganaanaam thvaa ganapathigu havaa mahe", and am today pointing out in the
manthram, "agnimeede purohotham".
Third, the thaiththeeraya braahmanam of yajur-vedam has the following
ashtakams and prapaadakas, contrary to what he lamely pontificates:-
prathama ashtakam:-
1. agnaadheya braahmanam
2. gavaamaya braahmanam
3. vaajapeya braahmanam
4. somaadi braahmanam.
5. nakshthreshti kaandam
6. raajasooyaanu braahmanam
7. raajasooyaanu brahmanam
8. raajasooyaanu braahmanam.
dvitheeya ashtakam:-
1. agnihothra braahmanam
2. hothru btaahmanam
3. hothru braahmana shesham
4, upahomam
5. upahoma shesham
6. sauthaamanihi kaukilee hothram cha
7. savaa ekaahavisheshaaha
8. kaamrupashuyaajaanuvaakyaa brahmanam
thritheeya ashktakam:-
1. nakshathreshteenaam yaajyaanuvaakyaa braahmanaani
2. darshapoornamaaseshti braahmanam
3. darshapoornamaaseshti braahmanam
4. purushamedhaha
5. ishtihauthram
6. paashuka hothram
7. achidram
8. ashvamedham
9. ashvamedham
10. kaatake prathamaha prashnam
11. kaatake dvitheeya prashnam (including naachiketham)
12. kaatake thritheeya prashnam
Fourth, r'g-vedam is like Swiss cheese -- full of large holes throughout.
These holes are stuffed with chunks of filched yajur-veda manthrams.
Fifth, r'g-vedam DID NOT precede yajur-vedam. All three vedams -- r'g,
yajur, and saama -- first emerged as one complex of manthrams from the
aadhi-braahmam. What "all vedic scholars had assured", as my unqualified
biased critic puts it, was just that there were about 24 pandithars all
calling themselves "vyaasaas" who laboured to chop up the vast complex of
Vedic manthrams into three as name. Atharva came long, long after.
As I wrote earlier in these columns:-"The atharva-vedam simply did not
exist during the threthaa yugam of Lord Sree Raama and of hanuman. Only
the r'g, saama, and yajur did."It is said that the atharva-veda was
composed by two groups of rishis -- the atharvaans and the aangeerasas.
That vedam has at least five upanishads: ganesha-atharvasheersha, mundaka,
mandukya, prashna, and kaivalya.
"In kaivalya upanishad, rishi ashvaalaayana approached Lord Brahma (the
parameshti) directly and asked, 'O bhagavaan, teach me the highest science
of Reality, cultivated by good beople always, which is ever a hidden secret
from man, a knowledge by which a wise man, discarding all sins, can reach
the highest purusha.' "
"Pithaamaha (grandfather) Brahma replied:- You can know this only by faith,
devotion, and meditation -- by shraddha, bhakthi, and dhyaana-yogam. Not
by work, nor by progeny, nor by wealth, but by renunciation alone is
immortality achieved. Higher than heaven, seated in the cave of the
intellect, it shines, which the seekers attain."
*Sixth, twist and turn and perform somersaults as the unprincipled,
unlettered, illiterate detractor may, the inescapable resplendent** sathyam
is that r'g-vedam is a copious pilferer of Vedic manthrams from yajur-vedam
-- from both samhitha and braahmanam. *S Narayanaswamy Iyer
II Dear Sri Gopalakrishna Why are you putting the cart before the horse?
The manthrams I highlighted were copied from yajur-vedam to r'g-vedam, and
not vice versa. S Narayanaswamy Iyer
III *agnimeede purohitham yajnyasyadeva mruthvijamm l*
*hothaahaara rathna dhaathamam ll *(thaiththireeya samhithaa TS 4.3.13.3)
(R V mandalam 1, ashtakam 1, cap I, sooktham 1, vargam 1)meaning -- My
pious prostrations to divine agni, the celestial being who fulfils our
desires, who exists perpetually in the form of the aahavaneeya sacrificial
fire, who invites and calls all the celestials to attend fire sacrifices,
who assembles the participants of the fire-sacrifice, who wears the preious
gem, and who is the celestial being resident in the consecrated fire.
My comments:- Just as the "thachcham yoraa vruneemahe" mantram from
yajur-vedam concludes the r'g-vedam text, so this manthram from the
yajur-vedam is the very first manthram in r'g-vedam. In between, we find
many chunks of yajur-veda manthrams stuffed into Swiss-cheese-like holes in
r'g-vedam. S Narayanaswamy Iyer
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Narayanasamy should have kept quiet as he never knew to himself that he is
revealing his ignorance as a Swiss cheese is. What I write is not that of
Rajaram, even though I can humbly say < I am better erudite than the idiot
Narayanasamy.
What I wrote was from the scholars write up who were proclaimed on print as
scholars and whose research the world over read and accepted; they never
wrote anywhere that THERE ISONE SCHOLAR BY NAME NARAYANASAMY; so, Narayana
write up comprising 15 lines of abuses out of 45 lines, has the least
value. Narayanasamy can pretend; can have his findings; no one has any
right to intervene; all idiots of the earth including the Hitler called
themselves as the greatest, who are now unknown, so be one day Narayanasamy
also would be dead and gone; but these scholars will live on the history
sheets. So, I believe more on them based on evidence, rather than NETI NETI
denial unobjective erosions of Narayana.
Right from day one which is long ago, Narayana is whimpering on KYV
is the opening and Not Rig vedam, since I always quote RV; he had also said
sometimes back that I am a Rig vedists. I AM A PURE KYV holder of my entire
ancestry; and still I speak only about the Ric because truth is not the
property of a jihadi like Narayabnasamys. Jihadi is not only a Muslim; but
one who without any reasonable basis hangs to certain unfounded theory like
Man is born only to impregnate woman 2 Yajur vedam that too only Krishna YV
(Sukla YV Yajnavalkya according to him Narayana is a fool!!) is the
opening; and will say Rig vedam is SWISS CHEESE FILLED UP ONLY BY
YAJURVEDA; then will add that all the three vedams came together also!!!.
WHICH IS CORRECT? SWISS CHEESE OR TOGETHER?; Narayana-asamy is always
confused and called a scholar by only one person, his younger brother who
does not know anything except Gusti. A MAN AT 98 CANNOT DISTINGUISH
ANYTHING CLEARLY A SCHOLASTIC LUST ABUSING IN SO MANY WORDS WITHOUT ANY
MEANING WHO CANNOT QUOTE ANYTHING RIGHTEOUSLY. The list of anubandham in
Sanskrit he wrote, I gave in English to Kapali sastry, a Sanskrit college
professor. I DO NOT EVEN TRY TO EQUATE UGLY NARAYANASAMY WITH KAPALI
SASTRI. Whom is he trying to hoodwink?
Vyasa means writers; but Veda Vyasa means only one; not
Narayanasamy; Nor Sujatha; 24 Vyasa? Where is it stated? let Narayanasamy
quote the evidence. Shankara are too many and that is why AADHI SHANKARA is
the only one. Bhagavan is 33 million; so only AADHI BHAGAVAN. Narayanasamy
shall think before inking. Veda is told by names of rishis not just 24; 52
in a small groove and more than that number. I had given those lists long
back.
The verses I avoided for the obvious reasons that many may not
even read it: PROOF OF AGE IS EMBEDDED IN THE VEDIC VERSES BY THEMSELVES.
IT IS IN THIS ORDER ONLY: RIG VEDAM, SAMAVEDAM AND THEN KRISHNA YAJURVEDAM,
THEN SUKLA YAJURVEDA AND FINALLY ATHARVA VEDAM. THEN ALONE THE REST EVEN
THOUGH ALL WRITTEN AS EXPLANATIONS WERE BASED UPON ONLY THE VEDAS. B g
SPEAKS ABOUT IT BETTER.
“*Rig Veda*: The Rig Veda is the oldest of the works comprising 10 books
(known as mandalas) of 1,028 hymns of 10,600 verses. These verses concern
themselves with proper religious observance and practice, based on the
universal vibrations as understood by the sages who first heard them, but
also address fundamental questions regarding existence. Koller comments:
Vedic thinkers asked questions about themselves, the world around them, and
their place in it. What is thought? What is its source? Why does the wind
blow? Who put the sun – giver of warmth and light – in the sky? How is it
that the earth brings forth these myriad life-forms? How do we renew our
existence and become whole? Questions of how, what, and why are the
beginning of philosophical reflection. (5)
This philosophical reflection characterizes the essence of Hinduism in that
the point of personal existence is to question it as one moves from the
basic needs of life toward self-actualization and union with the Divine.
The Rig Veda encourages these kinds of questions through hymns to various
gods – *Agni* <https://www.worldhistory.org/Agni/>, Mitra, Varuna, *Indra*
<https://www.worldhistory.org/Indra/>, and *Soma*
<https://www.worldhistory.org/Soma/> notably – who would eventually be seen
as avatars of the Supreme Over Soul, First Cause, and source of existence,
Brahman. According to some schools of Hindu thought, the Vedas were
composed by Brahman whose song the sages then heard.
*Sama Veda*: The Sama Veda (“Melody Knowledge” or “Song Knowledge”) is a
work of liturgical songs, chants, and texts meant to be sung. The content
is almost wholly derived from the Rig Veda and, as some scholars have
observed, the Rig Veda serves as the lyrics to the melodies of the Sama
Veda. It is comprised of 1,549 verses and divided into two sections: the
*gana* (melodies) and the *arcika* (verses). The melodies are thought to
encourage dance which, combined with the words, elevates the soul.
*THE YAJUR VEDA CONSISTS OF RECITATIONS, RITUAL WORSHIP FORMULAS, MANTRAS,
& CHANTS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN WORSHIP SERVICES.*
*Yajur Veda*: The Yajur Veda (“Worship Knowledge” or “Ritual Knowledge”)
consists of recitations, ritual worship formulas, mantras, and chants
directly involved in worship services. Like the Sama Veda, its content
derives from the Rig Veda but the focus of its 1,875 verses is on the
liturgy of religious observances. It is generally regarded as having two
“sections” which are not distinct parts but characteristics of the whole.
The “dark Yajur Veda” refers to those parts which are unclear and poorly
arranged while the “light Yajur Veda” applies to the verses which are
clearer and better arranged.
*Atharva Veda*: The Atharva Veda (“knowledge of Atharvan”) differs
significantly from the first three in that it concerns itself with magical
spells to ward off evil spirits or danger, chants, hymns, prayers,
initiation rituals, marriage and funeral ceremonies, and observations on
daily life. The name is thought to derive from the priest Atharvan who
allegedly was well-known as a healer and religious innovator. It is thought
that the work was composed by an individual (possibly Atharvan but not
likely) or individuals about the same time as the Sama Veda and Yajur Veda
(c. 1200-1000 BCE). It is comprised of 20 books of 730 hymns some of which
draw on the Rig Veda. The nature of the work, the language used, and the
form it takes has caused some theologians and scholars to reject it as an
authentic Veda. In the present day, it is accepted by some but not all
Hindu sects on the grounds that it deals with later knowledge which is
remembered, not the primordial knowledge that was heard.
Embedded in each of these works are the other types mentioned above – the
Aranyakas, Brahmanas, Samhitas, and Upanishads – which could be considered
glosses, extensions, or commentaries on the actual text.
The Upanishads are considered the “end of the Vedas” as in the last word on
the texts. The term *Upanishads* means to “sit down closely” as a student
would with a master to receive some information not intended for the rest
of the class. The Upanishads in each of the Vedas comment on the text or
illustrate it through dialogue and narrative thereby clarifying difficult
or obscure passages or concepts.”
KR: when Konar wrote text based only on the original text, how can
the konar become earlier to Text? WHERE BRAHMANAA, ARAHYAAKAA, UPANISHAADS
AARE ONLY BASED ON VEDAS, HOW CAN TB CAN PRECEDE THE VEDAS? An old insane
writes out of anger and should we not show him his place? HE HIMSELF
INADVERTENTLY ACCEPTED Rig, Sama and Yajur vide red green mark I had given
to his write up above. THEN WHY WOULD HE WASTE HIS TIME? CAN ANY VEDA
WORSHIPPER WRITE THAT ONE VEDA PILFERED ANOTHER? CAN ABY VEDA LEARNT USE
THE WORDS THAT HE ISS SHUDRA AND THAT IS UNWORTHY AS HE MENTIONED SO MANY
10000 BCE ELDERS AS SHUDRA AND YET CLAIM RESPECT AS ELDER?
Let him write anything authentically without personal opinions. I
write the real elders’ notes; Narayanasamy is aged but never an elder to be
respected. Will continue. K RAJARAM IRS 22 9 23
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