I am not so learned like you.But why are you using the wonderful learning for a trivial fight? YM
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < [email protected]> wrote: > VEDA FEATURES 1 dated 22 9 23 from KR IRS > > Dear folks > > It is not at all surprising that totally uneducated know-nothing > dustbin-raider and garbage-collector,plus propagator of fallacy after > fallacy and untruth after untruth should come out with truckloads of > blasphemous garbage and try to muddy the clear waters of our scriptures, > especially r'g-vedam and yajur-vedam, neither of which he has studied > under competent, reliable, known or learned preceptors. > > First of all, he does not even know that both the samhitha and the > braahmanam are integral parts of the same yajur-vedam. > > Second, he does not know that manthrams occurring in the yajur-veda SAMHITHA > also > are found in r'g-vedam. As I have already pointed in the manthram, > "ganaanaam thvaa ganapathigu havaa mahe", and am today pointing out in the > manthram, "agnimeede purohotham". > > Third, the thaiththeeraya braahmanam of yajur-vedam has the following > ashtakams and prapaadakas, contrary to what he lamely pontificates:- > > prathama ashtakam:- > > 1. agnaadheya braahmanam > > 2. gavaamaya braahmanam > > 3. vaajapeya braahmanam > > 4. somaadi braahmanam. > > 5. nakshthreshti kaandam > > 6. raajasooyaanu braahmanam > > 7. raajasooyaanu brahmanam > > 8. raajasooyaanu braahmanam. > > dvitheeya ashtakam:- > > 1. agnihothra braahmanam > > 2. hothru btaahmanam > > 3. hothru braahmana shesham > > 4, upahomam > > 5. upahoma shesham > > 6. sauthaamanihi kaukilee hothram cha > > 7. savaa ekaahavisheshaaha > > 8. kaamrupashuyaajaanuvaakyaa brahmanam > > thritheeya ashktakam:- > > 1. nakshathreshteenaam yaajyaanuvaakyaa braahmanaani > > 2. darshapoornamaaseshti braahmanam > > 3. darshapoornamaaseshti braahmanam > > 4. purushamedhaha > > 5. ishtihauthram > > 6. paashuka hothram > > 7. achidram > > 8. ashvamedham > > 9. ashvamedham > > 10. kaatake prathamaha prashnam > > 11. kaatake dvitheeya prashnam (including naachiketham) > > 12. kaatake thritheeya prashnam > > Fourth, r'g-vedam is like Swiss cheese -- full of large holes throughout. > These holes are stuffed with chunks of filched yajur-veda manthrams. > > Fifth, r'g-vedam DID NOT precede yajur-vedam. All three vedams -- r'g, > yajur, and saama -- first emerged as one complex of manthrams from the > aadhi-braahmam. What "all vedic scholars had assured", as my unqualified > biased critic puts it, was just that there were about 24 pandithars all > calling themselves "vyaasaas" who laboured to chop up the vast complex of > Vedic manthrams into three as name. Atharva came long, long after. > > As I wrote earlier in these columns:-"The atharva-vedam simply did not > exist during the threthaa yugam of Lord Sree Raama and of hanuman. Only > the r'g, saama, and yajur did."It is said that the atharva-veda was > composed by two groups of rishis -- the atharvaans and the aangeerasas. > That vedam has at least five upanishads: ganesha-atharvasheersha, mundaka, > mandukya, prashna, and kaivalya. > > "In kaivalya upanishad, rishi ashvaalaayana approached Lord Brahma (the > parameshti) directly and asked, 'O bhagavaan, teach me the highest science > of Reality, cultivated by good beople always, which is ever a hidden secret > from man, a knowledge by which a wise man, discarding all sins, can reach > the highest purusha.' " > > "Pithaamaha (grandfather) Brahma replied:- You can know this only by > faith, devotion, and meditation -- by shraddha, bhakthi, and > dhyaana-yogam. Not by work, nor by progeny, nor by wealth, but by > renunciation alone is immortality achieved. Higher than heaven, seated in > the cave of the intellect, it shines, which the seekers attain." > > *Sixth, twist and turn and perform somersaults as the unprincipled, > unlettered, illiterate detractor may, the inescapable resplendent** sathyam > is that r'g-vedam is a copious pilferer of Vedic manthrams from yajur-vedam > -- from both samhitha and braahmanam. *S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > II Dear Sri Gopalakrishna Why are you putting the cart before the > horse? The manthrams I highlighted were copied from yajur-vedam to > r'g-vedam, and not vice versa. S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > III *agnimeede purohitham yajnyasyadeva mruthvijamm l* > > *hothaahaara rathna dhaathamam ll *(thaiththireeya samhithaa TS > 4.3.13.3) (R V mandalam 1, ashtakam 1, cap I, sooktham 1, vargam 1)meaning > -- My pious prostrations to divine agni, the celestial being who fulfils > our desires, who exists perpetually in the form of the aahavaneeya > sacrificial fire, who invites and calls all the celestials to attend fire > sacrifices, who assembles the participants of the fire-sacrifice, who wears > the preious gem, and who is the celestial being resident in the consecrated > fire. > > My comments:- Just as the "thachcham yoraa vruneemahe" mantram from > yajur-vedam concludes the r'g-vedam text, so this manthram from the > yajur-vedam is the very first manthram in r'g-vedam. In between, we find > many chunks of yajur-veda manthrams stuffed into Swiss-cheese-like holes in > r'g-vedam. S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Narayanasamy should have kept quiet as he never knew to himself that he is > revealing his ignorance as a Swiss cheese is. What I write is not that of > Rajaram, even though I can humbly say < I am better erudite than the idiot > Narayanasamy. > > What I wrote was from the scholars write up who were proclaimed on print > as scholars and whose research the world over read and accepted; they never > wrote anywhere that THERE ISONE SCHOLAR BY NAME NARAYANASAMY; so, Narayana > write up comprising 15 lines of abuses out of 45 lines, has the least > value. Narayanasamy can pretend; can have his findings; no one has any > right to intervene; all idiots of the earth including the Hitler called > themselves as the greatest, who are now unknown, so be one day Narayanasamy > also would be dead and gone; but these scholars will live on the history > sheets. So, I believe more on them based on evidence, rather than NETI NETI > denial unobjective erosions of Narayana. > > Right from day one which is long ago, Narayana is whimpering on KYV > is the opening and Not Rig vedam, since I always quote RV; he had also said > sometimes back that I am a Rig vedists. I AM A PURE KYV holder of my entire > ancestry; and still I speak only about the Ric because truth is not the > property of a jihadi like Narayabnasamys. Jihadi is not only a Muslim; but > one who without any reasonable basis hangs to certain unfounded theory like > Man is born only to impregnate woman 2 Yajur vedam that too only Krishna YV > (Sukla YV Yajnavalkya according to him Narayana is a fool!!) is the > opening; and will say Rig vedam is SWISS CHEESE FILLED UP ONLY BY > YAJURVEDA; then will add that all the three vedams came together also!!!. > WHICH IS CORRECT? SWISS CHEESE OR TOGETHER?; Narayana-asamy is always > confused and called a scholar by only one person, his younger brother who > does not know anything except Gusti. A MAN AT 98 CANNOT DISTINGUISH > ANYTHING CLEARLY A SCHOLASTIC LUST ABUSING IN SO MANY WORDS WITHOUT ANY > MEANING WHO CANNOT QUOTE ANYTHING RIGHTEOUSLY. The list of anubandham in > Sanskrit he wrote, I gave in English to Kapali sastry, a Sanskrit college > professor. I DO NOT EVEN TRY TO EQUATE UGLY NARAYANASAMY WITH KAPALI > SASTRI. Whom is he trying to hoodwink? > > Vyasa means writers; but Veda Vyasa means only one; not > Narayanasamy; Nor Sujatha; 24 Vyasa? Where is it stated? let Narayanasamy > quote the evidence. Shankara are too many and that is why AADHI SHANKARA is > the only one. Bhagavan is 33 million; so only AADHI BHAGAVAN. Narayanasamy > shall think before inking. Veda is told by names of rishis not just 24; 52 > in a small groove and more than that number. I had given those lists long > back. > > The verses I avoided for the obvious reasons that many may not > even read it: PROOF OF AGE IS EMBEDDED IN THE VEDIC VERSES BY THEMSELVES. > IT IS IN THIS ORDER ONLY: RIG VEDAM, SAMAVEDAM AND THEN KRISHNA YAJURVEDAM, > THEN SUKLA YAJURVEDA AND FINALLY ATHARVA VEDAM. THEN ALONE THE REST EVEN > THOUGH ALL WRITTEN AS EXPLANATIONS WERE BASED UPON ONLY THE VEDAS. B g > SPEAKS ABOUT IT BETTER. > > “*Rig Veda*: The Rig Veda is the oldest of the works comprising 10 books > (known as mandalas) of 1,028 hymns of 10,600 verses. These verses concern > themselves with proper religious observance and practice, based on the > universal vibrations as understood by the sages who first heard them, but > also address fundamental questions regarding existence. Koller comments: > > Vedic thinkers asked questions about themselves, the world around them, > and their place in it. What is thought? What is its source? Why does the > wind blow? Who put the sun – giver of warmth and light – in the sky? How is > it that the earth brings forth these myriad life-forms? How do we renew our > existence and become whole? Questions of how, what, and why are the > beginning of philosophical reflection. (5) > > This philosophical reflection characterizes the essence of Hinduism in > that the point of personal existence is to question it as one moves from > the basic needs of life toward self-actualization and union with the > Divine. The Rig Veda encourages these kinds of questions through hymns to > various gods – *Agni* <https://www.worldhistory.org/Agni/>, Mitra, > Varuna, *Indra* <https://www.worldhistory.org/Indra/>, and *Soma* > <https://www.worldhistory.org/Soma/> notably – who would eventually be > seen as avatars of the Supreme Over Soul, First Cause, and source of > existence, Brahman. According to some schools of Hindu thought, the Vedas > were composed by Brahman whose song the sages then heard. > > *Sama Veda*: The Sama Veda (“Melody Knowledge” or “Song Knowledge”) is a > work of liturgical songs, chants, and texts meant to be sung. The content > is almost wholly derived from the Rig Veda and, as some scholars have > observed, the Rig Veda serves as the lyrics to the melodies of the Sama > Veda. It is comprised of 1,549 verses and divided into two sections: the > *gana* (melodies) and the *arcika* (verses). The melodies are thought to > encourage dance which, combined with the words, elevates the soul. > > *THE YAJUR VEDA CONSISTS OF RECITATIONS, RITUAL WORSHIP FORMULAS, MANTRAS, > & CHANTS DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN WORSHIP SERVICES.* > > *Yajur Veda*: The Yajur Veda (“Worship Knowledge” or “Ritual Knowledge”) > consists of recitations, ritual worship formulas, mantras, and chants > directly involved in worship services. Like the Sama Veda, its content > derives from the Rig Veda but the focus of its 1,875 verses is on the > liturgy of religious observances. It is generally regarded as having two > “sections” which are not distinct parts but characteristics of the whole. > The “dark Yajur Veda” refers to those parts which are unclear and poorly > arranged while the “light Yajur Veda” applies to the verses which are > clearer and better arranged. > > *Atharva Veda*: The Atharva Veda (“knowledge of Atharvan”) differs > significantly from the first three in that it concerns itself with magical > spells to ward off evil spirits or danger, chants, hymns, prayers, > initiation rituals, marriage and funeral ceremonies, and observations on > daily life. The name is thought to derive from the priest Atharvan who > allegedly was well-known as a healer and religious innovator. It is thought > that the work was composed by an individual (possibly Atharvan but not > likely) or individuals about the same time as the Sama Veda and Yajur Veda > (c. 1200-1000 BCE). It is comprised of 20 books of 730 hymns some of which > draw on the Rig Veda. The nature of the work, the language used, and the > form it takes has caused some theologians and scholars to reject it as an > authentic Veda. In the present day, it is accepted by some but not all > Hindu sects on the grounds that it deals with later knowledge which is > remembered, not the primordial knowledge that was heard. > > Embedded in each of these works are the other types mentioned above – the > Aranyakas, Brahmanas, Samhitas, and Upanishads – which could be considered > glosses, extensions, or commentaries on the actual text. > > The Upanishads are considered the “end of the Vedas” as in the last word > on the texts. The term *Upanishads* means to “sit down closely” as a > student would with a master to receive some information not intended for > the rest of the class. The Upanishads in each of the Vedas comment on the > text or illustrate it through dialogue and narrative thereby clarifying > difficult or obscure passages or concepts.” > > KR: when Konar wrote text based only on the original text, how > can the konar become earlier to Text? WHERE BRAHMANAA, ARAHYAAKAA, > UPANISHAADS AARE ONLY BASED ON VEDAS, HOW CAN TB CAN PRECEDE THE VEDAS? An > old insane writes out of anger and should we not show him his place? HE > HIMSELF INADVERTENTLY ACCEPTED Rig, Sama and Yajur vide red green mark I > had given to his write up above. THEN WHY WOULD HE WASTE HIS TIME? CAN ANY > VEDA WORSHIPPER WRITE THAT ONE VEDA PILFERED ANOTHER? CAN ABY VEDA LEARNT > USE THE WORDS THAT HE ISS SHUDRA AND THAT IS UNWORTHY AS HE MENTIONED SO > MANY 10000 BCE ELDERS AS SHUDRA AND YET CLAIM RESPECT AS ELDER? > > Let him write anything authentically without personal opinions. I > write the real elders’ notes; Narayanasamy is aged but never an elder to be > respected. Will continue. K RAJARAM IRS 22 9 23 > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BTodGLN-%3D7TstuF-xZMjA7dBn6%2B8u206V2CQYc4Rv4xA%40mail.gmail.com.
