👎 On Wed, 27 Sept 2023 at 13:31, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Sarae- Enne thallande, Jnan nannavilla"- most apt for Mr Rajaram. It is a > shame to call him former IRS, who call other learnt members as illiterate > Gopalakrishnan > > On Wednesday, 27 September, 2023 at 01:11:26 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > *Hey iArsE of an imbecile, what are you ranting? * > > *Join the Christian DMK and become Udayanidhi Stalin's Chief Chaprasi so > you can hold this mlechha Christian convery's spittoon, collect the spit > and feast on it ranting and raving.* > > *Stop abusing gentlemen of erudition, class and sophistication like Shri > Narayanaswamy and Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji. As for me, iArsE, i can give you > back a zillion more than what yiur ant-brain* *can ever imagine* > > On Wed, 27 Sep, 2023, 11:29 am gopala krishnan, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Again you are abusing sir by telling G,L,and N are illiterate. Again > boomerang will come to you. This is first boomerang from G, if you mean me. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Wednesday, 27 September, 2023 at 08:51:33 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > One who has knowledge does not write nonsense like Naryana, Laxmi, and > Gopala; only where the answer is unknown, papers in the examination are > consumed, with cock and bull story. By remaining silent at least the > illiteracy of G, L and N might not be revealed; but by speaking out abuses > , all the muddy's expose their clay. So beating around the bush is > meaningful. KR IRS 27 9 23 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *'gopala krishnan' via iyer123* <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 27 Sept 2023 at 07:02 > Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] TB, RV, YV, VR and Narayana PART 4 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan > Sarma <[email protected]>, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> > > > Respected Mr Sarma, > > I am sorry to state that *Mr Narayanaswamy NEVER uses any such SPITTING > language with me. *He is an admirer of my postings and used to oppose > when my points are FELT wrong. He clarifies my doubts mostly through > personal mails. > > Mr Narayanaswamy is known to me from 2004. He is a savior when a few > members tried to trap me defending me, two times. > > He is having vast knowledge, and often I refer dictionary for the meaning > of English words used by him.* In fact he is personal to me and I take > his blessings on important occasions.* I always respect him. In fact if > he uses tough words to me, I think he has such rights on me, who was my > savor when others tried to trap me. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Tuesday, 26 September, 2023 at 10:07:25 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Gopalakrishnan-ji > > You're a class by yourself. You're humility, your simplicity, your > dignity, your simolicityhl and your polite and respectful language are > something that all of us, *particularly the boastful, arrogant, .mul8sh, > imbecile of a clown, a semi-literate, mentally and socially chalkenged > moron boastfully and boguslyv claiming to be an iArsE functiinary* > > > *Leave alone, Sri Narayanaswamy Anna the demented porcine has formed a > habit of spitting abuses even at you, one of the politest and humblest > gentlemen I've ever come scross * > > > > > *In the Forces we have a robust method of handling such disgusting > characters..* > > On Tue, 26 Sep, 2023, 2:09 pm 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Respected sir, > > Since you clarified my doubt which may not have thought by many, I am > adding it here. > > Before Vedavysa Vedas were there. He only codified tthem into Rig, > Yajur, and Sama vedas. After codification some Veda verses taken and added > to other Vedas. Hence appearing same verses in two Vedas. > > Since Vedas were already existed even before Veda vyasa, there is no > meaning in telling Rigveda appeared first. > > I stand corrected sir > Gopalakrishnan > > > > On Tuesday, 26 September, 2023 at 01:45:01 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear folks > > Unrepentant and consistent blasphemer KR EX-IRS 26 9 23 writes defiantly > against all truths:- > > *"If someone says that Rigveda stole the from the taitriya brahamana, is > an utter lie, filtered over an old cloth."* > > The "old cloth" is tied tightly across his own eyes, already blinded > partly through inherited syphilis from his self-identified hooker mother. > > He is therefore unable to see that I have provided at least nine examples > -- examples nos. 1 - 9 -- of yajur-vedam manthrams filched by r'g-vedam. > > *The surreptitious filching was done not only from the yajur-veda > braahmanam, but also from the samhitha and from * *the aaranyakam, as I > pointed out.* > > Running and hiding, as he always does when faced with the glaring > undeniable truth, he pleads:- > > *"Before pointing out his other errors, ( I shall write later)."* > > NO, NO, master liar! > > *Answer NOW whether or not the nine examples I have given are accurate. > If not why, and what are the correct examples.* > > There is no use at all your trying to talk about the thaiththireeya > braahmana when I have already given out in these columns the full contents > of all the ashtakas and the prapaatakaas of that braahmana which you got > gravely wrong when you wrote without explanation that several parts were > "NOT KNOWN" to you. > > Dear folks -- the cowardly tuskless, tailless, castrated wild elephant in > "musth", stampeding in the forest, tried to trumpet his irrelevant nonsense > at length when I highlighted the first four examples of yajur-veda > manthrams found illicitly in the r'g-vedam. > > *But, when I displayed a resplendent array of another five more in this > forum, the beast fell into my trap inescapably, and could only scream > piteously because its bare unshod feet were pierced by the exposed sharp > tines of long iron nails driven into planks and wooden slabs fashioned > after the ceremonial shoes of Lord Murugan's pathinettaam-padi IDUMBAN.* > > Show no leniency to the blasphemer KR ex-IRS 26 9 23, no matter how he > twists and turns to trick the unwary. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 3:22 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > TB, RV, YV, VR and Narayana 4 (contd)26 9 23 KR IRS > > There is nothing wrong if verses were quoted; but stating that > alone is superior to all and bragging some meaning, because majority, might > not know anything about, and so one can easily dupe people, is an > unpardonable crime, committed by Narayanasamy. I would not have used some > adjectives but for his lies and more lies and ABUSES SCATTERED ALL OVER, > UNSTOPPED TILL DATE. Taitriya brahamana speaks about a few rituals and > yagnas only while Rig Vedam does not speak anything procedurally; if so a > brahmana followed by the Vedas , if someone says that Rigveda stole the > from the taitriya brahamana, is an utter lie, filtered over an old cloth. > So before pointing out his other errors, ( I shall write later) , lets see > how they based these Brahamanas,to later Maths and astrology and the > astronomy. > > 2 Prapāṭhaka 1: Sacrifices to the Constellations – Nakshatra Ishti > > Anuvāka 1: Light Constellations. Deva Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 2: Dark Constellations. – The Yama Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 3: Invocatory and oblative Mantras for Sacrifices to the Moon > (Chandramasa ishti), etc., etc. > > Anuvāka 4: Sacrifices to the Light Constellations. – Deva Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 5: Sacrifices to the Dark Constellations. – Yama Nakshatras > > Anuvāka 6: Sacrifices (ishti) to Chandrama, etc. > > 3 Taittirīya Brāhmaṇa (TB) in aṣṭaka 1, prapāṭhaka 1, and anuvāka 2 > focuses on the topic of nakṣatras in the relation to the yajña. There are > differences of opinion on the emphasis of the yajña discussed is the TB. > Some believe the yajña is always a literal sacrifice, while others state it > is a figurative sacrifice performed by the one conducting the sacrificial > rite. It is only recent scholarship that has focused on the > latter/figurative yajña. The verses within the anuvākas are called > khaṇḍikās. There is speculation as to the division between the light and > dark nakṣatras and the dating of the TB. West stated the anuvaka as dated > 300 BCE which is error prone. Bal Gangadhar Tilak in his book, The Orion, > believes the dating of the TB should be around 2350 BCE given Kṛttikā rose > on the spring equinox at that time. Thus, the light/deva nakṣatras occur > from the start at the spring equinox and end at the fall equinox. The > dark/yama nakṣatras start at the fall equinox and end at the spring > equinox. > > 4 Anuvāka 2 Verse Summary > > 1. One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed, that is the > nakṣatra of Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās and him [Agni] > among one’s own deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That is indeed > the foremost of the nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one who offers > to Agni among the Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost. > > 2. Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas (dwellings). > Indeed, Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. The divine ones > offered to that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all those risings > for the Rohiṇī of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state of being of > Rohiṇī in Rohiṇī, indeed one flourishes and is rising in all those risings. > > 3. Indeed, those auspicious and virtuous divine ones wished to offer to > Agni. The Agni of those was unkindled and pleasant wealth retreated from > those. Then those offered in the two Punarvasus and indeed pleasant wealth > approached those. Should the one who is auspicious and virtuous in former > times become more vile, he should offer to Agni in the two Punarvasus. > Indeed, again the pleasant wealth returns to him and one becomes auspicious. > > 4. The one who is caused to desire, “People should be desiring to give to > me,” he should offer to Agni in the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Indeed, this is > the nakṣatra of Aryaman, which are the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Those said, > “The one who gives to him, Aryaman; the people are desiring to give to > him.” 5. He who is caused to desire, “I should be possessed of fortune,” he > should offer to Agni in the two Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, this is the > nakṣatra of Bhaga, which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis. Indeed, one becomes > possessed of fortune. > > 6. Indeed, the Kālakañjas were the named asuras. Those sought out Agni for > the heavenly world. Man after man laid brick after brick used in preparing > the sacrificial altar. That Indra and Brāhmaṇa laid the brick used in > preparing the sacrificial altar declaring, “This named Citrā is for me.” > Those risen in the heavenly world. Indeed, that Indra laid the brick used > in preparing the sacrificial altar. Those bestowed. Those who bestowed, > those were spiders. Those two rose and fell and those two became divine > dogs. The one who should be possessed of enemies, he should offer to Agni > in Citrā nakṣatra. Indeed, possessed of enemies having bestowed, it bestows > ojas, strength, power, and vigor, ātman. > > 7. The Brāhmaṇa should offer to Agni in the vasantā. Indeed, vasanta is > the season of the Brāhmaṇa. Indeed, having offered to that in one’s own > season, one becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. Indeed, this is the > foremost of the seasons, which is the vasanta. The one who offers to Agni > in the vasantā, indeed one becomes the foremost. Then one offers towards > that birth and indeed the place of the womb. > > 8. A Rājanya should offer in the grīṣma. Indeed, the season of a Rājanya > is the grīṣma. Indeed having offered to that in one’s own season, one > becomes possessed of power. A Vaiśya should offer in the śarad. Indeed, the > śarad is the season of the Vaiśya. Indeed having offered to that in one’s > own season, one becomes one possessed of cattle. > > 9. One should not offer to Agni in the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. This is indeed > the last night of the year, which are the two Pūrvā Phalgunis. Indeed > having offered to Agni at the end of the year, one becomes more vile. > > 10. One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeed the first night of > the year. That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeed the foremost > of the year. Having offered to Agni, one becomes more prosperous. > > 11. Therefore, if one should indeed offer to that at the yajña, then one > should arrive at that. Indeed, that is the prosperity of this. > > 5 In terms of verses: > > Khaṇḍikā 1 > > kṛttikāsvagnimādadhīta etadvā agnernakṣatram । > > yatkṛttikāḥ svāyāmevainaṃ devatāyāmādhāya brahmavarcasī > > bhavati । > > mukhaṃ vā etannakṣatrāṇām yatkṛttikāḥ । > > yaḥ kṛttikāsvagnimādhatte mukhya eva bhavati । > > One should offer to Agni among the Kṛttikās. Indeed, that is the nakṣatra > of Agni. Indeed who, having offered to the Kṛttikās and him [Agni] among > one’s own deity becomes eminent in sacred knowledge. That is indeed the > foremost of the nakṣatras, which are the Kṛttikās. The one who offers to > Agni among the Kṛttikās, indeed becomes the foremost. > > Khaṇḍikā 2 > > atho khalu agninakṣatramityapacāyanti gṛhān ha dāhuko > > bhavati । > > prajāpatī rohiṇyāmagnimasṛjata taṃ devā rohiṇyāmādadhata । > > tato vai te sarvānrohānarohan tadrohiṇyai rohiṇitvam । > > yo rohiṇyāmagnimādhatte ṛdhnotyeva sarvānrohānrohati । > > Then indeed those honor the nakṣatra of Agni and the gṛhas (dwellings). > Indeed, Prajāpatī is burning in Rohiṇī. You produced Agni. The divine ones > offered to that in Rohiṇī. Then indeed those are risen in all those risings > for the Rohiṇī of that. The one who offers to Agni in the state of being of > Rohiṇī in Rohiṇī, indeed one flourishes and is rising in all those risings. > > …………………………………………….. > > Khaṇḍikā 10 > > uttarayorādadhīta eṣā vai prathamā rātriḥ saṃvathsarasya । > > yaduttare phalgunī mukhata eva saṃvathsarasyāgnimādhāya > > vasīyānbhavati । > > One should offer in the two Uttarās. That is indeed the first night of the > year. That which are the two Uttarā Phalgunis, are indeed the foremost of > the year. 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