Poor insect Narayanasamy jumped by his own ignorance on creation of the
order of the Vedams only , as now he knows that his
Taittiriya brahmana opening is dead . I said KYV came only after Sama
vedam; that does not mean Rig vedam also; as I am confirming that there was
only one vedam of RICS called Rigveda which had only principles of
everything as a theory. After the only oldest Rigvedam was given to us, (
even as per his own cake cutting , the part of first cut , second cut ,
third cut alone will be there and they are not simultaneous parted by few
seconds) the memory was only through the shruti hearing; hence the sakas
were divided among the people practicing so that all the contents are/were
in tact. Only the nature and Brahmam was worshipped; No Vigrahaam or
Temples; that is why all the nature and other helpful tools and species
became so honourable by name as one, 2,3,33, 3300 and millions of Gids
later; Yagna was in theory in the rig vedam; as admitted by Narayanasamy
everything in principle were there in that one vedam.  As even Sakas might
have become difficult to memorize, a tune framed musically and saman was
practiced as Sama vedam. Then along the way mathematical wizards created
the yagna labs -YAGA GUNDAM designed for various purposes. OUR
ARCHEOLOGICAL DIRECTOR HAD WRITTEN VOLUMES ON STUPAS, STUMBA etc apart from
various shaped Yaga gundams FOUND DURING THE EXCAVATIONS.  yAJURVEDAM
TOOKTHE VERSES FROM rIG VEDAM AND ADDED ITS PRACTICAL TEACHINGS ON
ASTROLOGY HOMA KUNDAMS ETC . Finally Atharvan removed the tantra ,
medicine, etc separately from Rig vedam and added its additional materials.
That is why Rig Veda mantras will be seen in all other three vedas
somewhere. This is accepted by well read. Because Narayansamy blabbers
truth will not become lies as it is only his assertions without any
material given by Narayanasamy.  KR IRS  11223
NB:
*Size and Shape of Yagya Kund: Mathematical and Spiritual aspects*Jairam
Motlani1*1Research Scholar, Dev Sanskriti Vishwavidyalaya, Haridwar, India

*Corresponding. Email: [email protected]

http://doi.org/10.36018/ijyr.v3i1.50 <https://doi.org/10.36018/ijyr.v3i1.50>
*Abstract*

The size and shape of the Yagya Kund is one of the important aspects for
successful completion of Yagya. Vedic literature describes in details about
their types, size, shapes and constructions. Yagya Kund size and shape
helps in construction of the Kund for specific spiritual or materialistic
outcomes which require specific mathematical measurements of Yagya Kund.
The shape of the Yagya Kund is decided based on the purpose of the Yagya,
while the size is decided based on the total offerings given to the fire.
The spiritual and mathematical aspects on size and shape of the Kund are
presented in the study. During the study analysis, it was observed that
Vedic texts used mathematical knowledge from various streams such as
astrology, trigonometry, geometry, etc in the construction of Yagya Kund.
The size of Yagya Kund is directly propositional to the number of offerings
to be done. In addition, during the construction of any Yagya Kund, first
of all a circle is made whose parameter is fixed to the number of offerings
to be done, then a particular Yagya Kund is to be constructed. Regardless
of the shape, the construction of Kund based on the diameter given in the
ancient texts resulted in the same surface area and volume for particular
number of offerings, opening a gate for further study of fine mathematics
involved in the Yagya Kund construction.
*Keywords*

Yagya Kund, Shape, Size, offerings, Vedic Mathematics, Area and Volume,
Angul, Hast, Yava, Yuka
*Introduction*

Yagya is an essential part of Indian culture. According to Indian
scripture, the human life runs on the philosophy of Yagya from birth to the
end. In Indian culture conceiving (*garbhdhan*) is also a kind of Yagya and
so the funeral (*anteyeshti*). There are three root meanings of word Yagya
i.e. to worship (*dev poojan*), to harmonize (*sangatikaran*) and to bestow
(*daan*) (1,2).

Yagya is being used for different purposes for spiritual or materialistic
desire and One of the central aspect in this regard is shape and size of
the Fire pit. The Vedic ritual Yagya is done in the fire pot termed as Kund.

As per the Panini Grammar the root (*dhatu*) of the word Kund implies for
meanings – 1) protective place (*rakshanarthkudi*), 2) object of the
measurement (*manarthkkun*), 3) the opening place, nurturer, place of fire,
pot for water (*koshkaar Kund*), etc. Here for the perspective of Yagya, it
is taken as the place for fire of Hawan (Yagya). Thus, Vedic literature
describes Kund as a medium to offer *havi* (offerings) to divine and the
whole process as Yagya (2).

This Vedic ritual Yagya includes very strict mathematical measurement for
every part of the ritual. The size of *Mandap* is dependent on the size of
the Kund and the size of the Kund is dependent on the number of offerings.
The number of offerings is dependent on the spiritual penance (
*Dharm-anushthan)* it was meant for.

In Vedic times the science of Yagya has highly evolved. This is reflected
in different types of materials and tools used in the Yagya with detailed
protocols of their construction and utility. One such aspect of Yagya is
the size and shapes of Yagya Kund.

The size and shape of the Yagya Kund is one of the important aspects for
successful completion of Yagya. Vedic literature describes in details about
their types, size, shapes and constructions. Yagya Kund size and shape
helps in construction of the Kund for specific spiritual or materialistic
outcomes which require specific mathematical measurements of Yagya Kund.

The spiritual and mathematical aspects on size and shape of the Kund are
presented in the study.
*Different shapes of Yagya Kund and their purposes*

‘Bhavishya Purana’ and ‘Kund Mandap Siddhi’, both books described total 10
types of shapes i.e. Circular, Semi-circular, Vulvar shape, Trigonal shape,
Lotus shaped, square shaped, Pentagonal shaped, Hexagonal shaped,
Heptagonal shaped and Octagonal shaped. They are shown in Table 1.
Different shapes are recommended for specific spiritual and material
purposes and ignorance of it, as per the scriptures, it can lead to
nullification or reduction of the desired outcome. Table 1 also described
their purpose (3,4).

These are the commonly mentioned Yagya Kund shapes. However, there are
texts mentioning other types of shapes such as starshaped Hexagonal (
*vishamshadastra*) and starshaped octagonal, etc (*vishamashtashtra*), etc
(2) (Figure 1).

*Figure 1.* Some additional example of Yagya Kund A) Star shaped Hexagonal,
B) Star shaped Octagonal Yagya Kund (top view of Kund image).

Sr.No

Name of Yagya Kund

Type of shape

Anecdotal example of Purpose of Kund Shape

1

Vrittakaar Kund

Circular

For peace

2.

Ardhchandrakar

Semi-circular

For welfare

3.

Yoni Kund

Vulvar shape

To get progeny ( child) and to treat women diseases

4.

Trayasra

Trigonal shape

To win over enemies

5.

AbajKund(Padma)

Lotus shaped

To induce health, peace, wealth, positive outcome, rain

6.

Chatursra Kund

square shaped

For everything

7.

Panchasra Kund

Pentagonal shaped

For peace from enemey energies

8.

Shadasra Kund

Hexagonal shaped

For defying enemies *(Uchhedan and maran karma)*

9.

Saptakar Kund

Heptagonal shaped

To treat psychological disorder(*bhoot dosha shanti*)

10.

Ashtasra Kund

Octagonal shaped

To attain good health

*Table 1.* List of the Yagya Kund as per the shape and their purposes.

Different shapes of Kund provide the *Yagyakarta *(person, who is doing the
Yagya) different results. The person (*Yagyakarta*) chooses the shape of
Kund on the basis of results he or she wants from the Yagya. In the book
‘sharda tilak’ results of various shape of Yagya Kund has been described.
In the shloka in the 3rd chapter 86-89 (*tritya Patal, 86-89) *(5), it
mentioned - the square Kund can be used for all kind of work, yoni Kund to
get progeny (child), semicircle Kund for grace, triangle Kund to fight off
enemies, circle Kund to attain peace, hexagonal Kund for defying enemy (
*maran* and *uchchheda karma*), lotus shaped Kund to promote the rain and
octagonal Kund to attain health (see Table 1). Apart from that in ‘Mandap
Kund Siddhi’ book, it has been mentioned that pentagonal Kund is used for
attaining peace and heptagon Kund is used to treat psychological
disorders (*bhootdosh
shanti) *(Table 1) (4)

*Shape of Yagya Kund as per the person class (cast)*

In Vedic times, the cast system was based on the deeds and not based on
birth. There are plenty of examples person born to one class choose the
action of the other class. Regardless, each type of class required
different spiritual and materialistic energy and hence, different Kund
shapes were recommended for different class. Besides it also indicated that
Yagya was compulsory part of their life regardless of their class system.

The book ‘Sharda Tilak*’ *describes the utilization of different Yagya Kund
shape by different category of people as follows (3) - It means
*Brahmin* should
do Yagya in square shape Kund (*chaturstra Kund*), *Kshatriya* should do in
circle Kund (*vrattakar Kund*), *Vaishya* should do in semi circle
Kund (*ardhchandrakar
Kund*), *shudra* should do in triangle Kund (*trikona Kund*) and females
should do in Yoni Kund (3).
*Size of the Yagya Kund is dependent on the total number of offerings*

Vedic literature mentioned the size of the Kund is dependent on the total
number of offerings. The size of the Yagya Kund is calculated before its
construction as it is mandatory that during the Yagya process, it should
not overflow and no situation arises that it gets full and access needs to
be removed. The fire is considered very sacred and divine and it should be
respected well. Rishis, hence, used very fine mathematics for the whole
process. i.e. Yagya Kund must have capacity to hold that volume of
offerings and at the end of the Yagya, Yagya Kund should be filled 2/3 of
the total size and height.

Total number of offerings decides total volume. Hence, a Vedic calculation
for total number of offerings and required size is mentioned in literature
as follows in table 2.

A Shloka from the ancient Indian book of Yagya known as shardatilak (3)
states that the size of Yagya Kund should be considered on the basis of the
number of offerings to fire (*ahuties*) to be offered. For 10,000 offerings
(*ahuties*) *BhuHastatmaka* Kund (1 hand long) is enough, for 100000
offerings *DueHastatmaka *(2 hand long) should be considered. For 1000000
offerings a person should make *ChaturHast* Kund (4 hand long) and if
evenmore number of offerings are involved in Yagya the *AashtHastatmaka* Kund
(8 hand long) should be constructed.

Here ‘hand’ is used as a unit which is not as length but rather represents
area or volume and it is a unit required for construction of the Yagya
Kund. The details are as follows.

*Mathematical units involve in construction of Yagya Kund *(5)

Here the Kunds are classified based on the size measured in the unit ‘Hast’
(hand). In the construction of Yagya Kund in Vedic times the mathematical
formulas had particular units such as *Liksha, Yuka, Yava, Angul, Hast*.
These units helped in doing construction of fine and complex shaped Yagya
Kund. These units are converted and shown in modern units as below.

   - 8 *liksha* = 1*yuka*= 0.03125 cm = 0.01230316 inch
   - 8 *yuka* = 1 *yava* = 0.25 cm = 0.09842525 inch
   - 8 *yava *= 1 *Angul *(approximate width of a finger of host) = 2 cm
   =0.787402 inch
   - 24 *Angul* = 1 *Hast*= 48 cm = 18.897648 inch
   - *21 Angul = 1 ratni= 42 cm = 16.535442 inch*
   - *22 Angul = 1 aratni= 44 cm = 17.322844 inch*

‘Hast’ and ‘Angul’ are the main units for Yagya Kund construction. 1 Hast
is 24 Angul. This is a base formula for all types of calculations in the
Yagya Kund construction.

The research article by Shailajkumarshrivastava (5) described 1 Angul as
2.0 cm. The book by Munger Yoga Publications (6) described 1 Angul as 1.9
cm. It also mentioned that the Angul used for calculating the Yagya Kund
construction is the measurement of the width of the thumb of the
*Yajman* (host),
who is supposed to give the offerings to fire. It also explains that the
total volume of offerings is dependent on the size of the finger/Angul of
the host. This was the finest calculation used in Yagya Kund construction.

Number of oblation

Traditional Name of the Kund

Common term & Traditional unit

Area of the Kund

<50

---

*Mushthimatra*

*---*

51-99

---

*From Kuhani to Kanishka*

*---*

Up to 1000

*BhuHastatmaka*

One hand = 24 Angul

576 Angul

Up to 10,000

*DueHastatmaka*

2 hand = 34 Angul

1152 Angul

Up to 1,00,000

*AbidhyHastatmaka*

4 hand = 41Angul

2304 Angul

Up to 1 million (10,00,000)

*Angsthatmaka*

6 hand = 58Angul

3456 Angul

Up to 10 million

(1,00,00,000)

*AshtHastatmaka*

8 hand = 63 Angul

4608 Angul

*Table 2: *Relation of the number of offerings and required size of the Kund
*Fundamental considerations in the Yagya Kund construction and their
mathematical aspects*

*Bhavishya Purana* (2) and *Sharda Tilak *(chapter 3 shloka 82-83) (3)
described - if you have to offer 50 to 99 offerings then make
*rattipraman* Kund
(21 Angul), for 100 to 999 offering make *aratnipraman* Kund (22 Angul),
for 1000 to 9999 offering make 24 Angul (1 Hast) Kund, for 10,000 to 99,999
offering make two ‘Hast’ Kund, for 100,000 to 999,999 offerings make 4
‘Hast’ Kund, for 10,00,000 to 99,99,999 offerings make 6 ‘Hast’ Kund, and
if the offerings are over 99,99,999 then make 8 ‘Hast’ Kund. Table 2
describes the relevant area for different Kund sizes.

*The volume is same of all different shaped YagyaKunds*

The most interesting thing in these calculations is that regardless of
shape, the volume is kept same for the same amount of offerings as
offerings count decides the total volume required (Table 3).

The diameter of the circle for each type of the Kund shape was previously
described in the book ‘Kund Mandap Siddhi’ (4,8). Also the Vedic formula to
calculate the area using diameter (see sloka 13 reference 8) is also
described in the book and it was applied as shown in table 3. As it is seen
the all 10 shaped with different diameter resulted in same area i.e. 576
Angul which is decided based on the number of offerings as shown in Table 2.

Sr. no.

Name of Yagya Kund shape

Diameter of circled (Angul.yava.yuka) = cm.

Multiply the square of diameter of circle (D2) by the divisor given in
shloka

Divide the product by 10000

Area of the Kund ( Angul)

1.

Circular Kund (vritt Kund)

(27.0.5) = 54.155 cm

7854* D2

5756982/10000

575.7

2.

Padhma Kund

(27.0.5) = 54.155 cm

7854* D2

5756982/10000

575.7

3.

Ardhchandra Kund

38.2.3 = 74.593 cm

2927* D2

5759927.2/10000

575.9

4.

Yoni Kund

30.2.0 = 60.5 cm

6293.4* D2

5760000/10000

576

5.

Trikon Kund

42.1.0 = 84.25 cm

3247.4* D2

5760000/10000

576

6.

Chaturasra Kund

33.7.4 = 67.875 cm

5000* D2

5760000/10000

576

7.

Panchasra Kund

31.1.0 = 62.25 cm

5944/2* D2

5760000/10000

576

8.

Shadasra Kund

29.6.0 = 59.5 cm

6495* D2

5760000/10000

575.9

9.

Saptasra Kund

29.0.0 = 58 cm

6841* D2

5759266.7/10000

576

10.

Ashtasra Kund

28.4.0 = 57 cm

7071* D2

5759329.4/10000

575.9

*Table 3.* The diameter of the different Kund for its construction and
calculation of their surface area.
*Conclusion*

Design and construction of yagya Kund requires very scientific and rigorous
mathematical knowledge. Indian sage had developed the science of Yagya Kund
construction with very fine mathematical models and they were great
scientists. They provided Vedic mathematical formulation for preparation of
yagya Kund which is true in current time period too. Regardless of the
shapes the total volume& surface area remained same. The different shapes
of yagya Kund have different aims as their purpose was to produce different
energy with help of different Yagya Kund shapes. The energy science and
protocols of different shapes for specific purposes is beyond the scope of
this paper but it demands a thorough investigation of this Vedic wisdom.
*References*

   1. Acharya shrivardrajpranita. Laghusidhhantkoumudi, subodh sutra (sutra
   864). Choukhambha Sanskrit bhawan, Varanasi. 2018;p-582. ISBN:
   978-81-89986-89-6.

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From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 12:40
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire
offering by yajur-vedins
To: iyer <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma <
[email protected]>
Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>


Dear folks

Backed into a corner due to his repeated lies, the master serial liar K R
ex-IRS 11223 merely re-bleats for the umpteenth time his totally erroneous
conception of the origins of the r'g, yajur, and saama vedams, which in
fact were human-engineered partitions of the original mass of vedic
manthrams which were of divine origin.

His new mad and absolutely baseless fantasy is:-

*"Yajur vedam was created only after the Sama Vedam as a procedural science
of architecture of HOMA kundam."*

The straightforward rebuttal is:-

The r'g-vedam prescribes in various places fire-sacrifices to the various
gods, including agni, varuna, the maruts.  So, by his own assertion, was
r'g-vedam "created only after Sama Vedam"?

Or, as is the obvious truth, which the madman takes to his heels and runs
off from -- all three vedams:  r'g, yajur, and saama, were created
SIMULTANEOUSLY by humans cutting the same single "cake" of the original
mass of undivided veda manthrams?

He only verifies yet again his pap-sucking pupillage of the doctrines of
mleccha figures Asaduddun Owaisi/Zakir Naik/Wendy Doniger
O'Flagerty/Arundathi Roi, which he blindly reproduces in his own
sewer/gutter broken English, e.g. "KR ex-IRS 1123 is in doubt, but would
like to learn by tethering others. Another incident of he is zero in
knowledge."

Mere desperate abuse and vilification is no substitute for clear, logical,
verifiable, sober argument.

S Narayanaswamy Iyer


On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:05 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:

> The Purging within and without, pram Narayanan, from sin city, at 97,
> keeps rolling without any substance; who copied from sanskrit site wrongly
> the opening verses of nakshatra ritual parts of a brahmana lifted from Rig
> Vedam ; about which I finished writing long back; due to his inability to
> write meaning, since it is not available anywhere onsite, as usual ,
> abuse others; and try to shift his karma-bad on others. This brahmana is
> the basis of astrology, yagnam and designing of yaga- gundam etc; Yajur
> vedam was created only after the Sama Vedam as a procedural science of
> architecture of HOMA kundam creations geometrically designing where the
> present science of Golden Ratio, Pi, Geometric properties were applied; the
> treatise on thes are in sanskrit as far as the Ashtyaka 3 is concerned.
> Ashtaka 3 of Taittiriya Brahamana has 12 divisions.  And Ashwanetha yaga
> controversy had stopped many from open treatise in languages; as a matter
> of fact Zakir and narayanasamy like avivekis had started abusing this part
> in many derogatory remarks, without knowing the depth, as Narayanasamy is
> in doubt, but would like to learn by tethering others. Another incident of
> he is zero in knowledge. K R IRS 11223
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 06:50
> Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire
> offering by yajur-vedins
> To: iyer <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma <
> [email protected]>
> Cc: Narayanaswamy Subramanian <[email protected]>
>
>
> Dear folks
>
> The uninhibited, unschooled, uneducated, vagrant
> dalit-by-choice-and-temperament slavish follower and imitator of Asaduddun
> Owaisi/Zakit Naik/Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty/Arundathi Roi -- K R IRS
> 301123 alias Rajaram K alias iraachaa iramoo muttaal alias Cockroachmoorthy
> -- who made a mess of trying to translate from Sanskrit into
> gutter-gibberish broken English his own quoted passage from r'g-vedam
> concerning parjanyam and couldn't understand even a single word from the
> short and clear Sanskrit verses regarding parjanyam from
> yajur-vedam which I challenged him to translate into English -- now
> parades in public his abysmal ignorance of Sanskrit.
>
> And consequently resorts to his only surviving trick -- copy-pasting a
> scrap of junk he picked up in the course of his new career of
> rubbish-and-refuse-collector after retiring ingloriously as undistinguished
> tax-collector.
>
> Pity the aged senile unmitigated fool.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:37 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Vide his ignorance of missing the lines In sanskrit may refer to people
>> who knew sanskrit K R ajaram  IRS  301123
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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>> From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 10:44
>> Subject: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire offering by yajur-vedins
>> To: iyer <[email protected]>
>> Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>>
>>
>> harihi om!
>>
>> shree gurubhyoh namaha!
>>
>>  l
>> chithraa nakshathram bha*saamgrahanyeshtyaa yajathe  l*
>> *imaam janathaagum samgruhnaaneethi  l*
>> *dvaadashaarathnee rashanaa bhavathi  l*
>> *dvaadasha maasaaha samvathsaraha  l*
>> *samvathsararamevaa avarunthe  l*
>> *maunjee bhavathi  l*
>> *oorjvai munjaaha  l*
>> *oorjamevaa avarunthe  l*
>> *chithraa nakshathram bhavathi   l*
>> *chithram vaa eathathkarma  ll*
>>
>> harihi om!
>>
>> (Thaiththireeya brahmana 3.8.1.1.)
>>
>> My comments:-
>>
>> Only for the fully initiated pious and practising braahmanas who have
>> undergone upanayanam and veda-upadesham under proper qualified, practising,
>> proficient and competent gurus in a guru-kulam or in their own homes under
>> the tuition of their fathers, grandfathers, or other elders.
>>
>> Not for unschooled, uneducated, vagrant dalit-by-choice-and-temperament
>> slavish followers and imitators of Asaduddun Owaisi/Zakit Naik/Wendy
>> Doniger O'Flaherty/Arundathi Roi.
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