Respected sirs,
So far no member has responded to the truth of the points discussed.
My knowledge is very little on the topic.
Only one thing I desire to respond. Kindly stop abusings. On the front more
abusings in Tamil by Mr Rajaram.
I request once again to stop abusings by Sri Rajaram and Mr Narayanaswamy.
Gopalakrishnan
On Sunday, 3 December, 2023 at 07:45:23 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
Regenerated degenerated THANGAVELU clown supremo in the cartoon caricature of
irredentist idiot K R ex-IRS 2 12 23 simply cannot resist advertising again and
again his gross stupidity no matter how often he has been caught in the glare
of spotlights like the legendary emperor without clothes.
He now comes up with:-
"The British hunted for vedic leaves, whatever they found was printed as it is.
The earliest dates were considered as orderly. In that a Rigvedic saka along
with the sri suktam kept inside were also printed."
This is pure crass speculation.
Having never ever attended a single day in a veda paatashaala or ever had
proper, or any, upadesham under a qualified practising guru, he labours under
the weight of his own massive speculations, e.g. that r'g-vedam "came first".
The unmitigated unschooled uneducated fool apparently had never heard of, nor
bothered to read the bhagavath-geetha, in Cap X, v 22 of which Lord Krishna
paramaathmaa authoritatively proclaims that of the vedams he is saama vedam.
This indisputably means that the saama vedam came first. The r'g and yajur
only came a close joint second.
The Lord's proclamation is in line with his later proclamation in
bhagavath-geetha Cap x v 33 that of the alphabets he is the alphabet "a", this
being the first among several.
Since the stupid fool has no way out, he concedes the truth of what I had
already written, namely:-
"Sri Suktham was not originally found in the 5th part of Rig vedam."
Then his sparse wits go wool-gathering, and he ding-dongs between:-
"Sayana did the transcriptions, taken under Rig vedam as Keelakam"
and
"5TH MANDALA SRI SUKTAM IS FOUND ONLY UNDER THE BHASKALA SAKA AND NOWHERE ELSE."
The mentally disoriented uneducated unlearned unschooled marginalised idiot is
unable to face the glaring truth that the Sree Sooktham is a mere appendix to
the fifth mandala of r'g-vedam as I have already made clear.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 12:51 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
The coveted title holder that he had butlered in his own English, nayagan
Narayanasamy, had once again written, his assertions without basis nor denying
by strength of materials what I had written authentically, found all over the
earth. Is he not ashamed even to think for nimisha, how can he be a master to
the masters of the earth whose treatises are spread all over the earth? I
remember DANAL THANGAVELU KALYANA PARISU FILM JOKE: in that film Thangavelu
acts as a LIAR like Narayanasamy; Gemini Ganesan will say problems of himself;
Thangavelu every day wil take all the food for the day and come and sit in the
park and after eating and sleeping will return back home; suddenly wife's
relation will come to his house; the uncle will ask wife of Thangavelu, what is
mappillai doing>; he had told her that thangavelu is the manager of MANNAR &
CO; so she will repeat; and uncle will say, that that uncle is the Manager of
Mannar & co; and he will ask what is he talking about; then Thangavelu will
tell gG , Dey Namba Mannar & co patri sollu (tell him about our Mannar & co)
without even feeling hurt but lies more lies. So is Narayanasamy.
Yesterday he wrote elsewhere for the second time, again Sri Suktam; and said it
is appended to Rigvedam. And did not say anything further as he knows only a
few mantras here and there as Vadhyars recite at our homes. That does not mean
all vadhyars are knowledgeable. Narayanasamy the empty pot walks around ,
impressing his village people as if he is knowledgeable; and he is being broken
which triggers his anger; and so showers his personal abuses on me;
aadatheriyadhavan mutrum konal enbadhu pola. Sri Suktham was not originally
found in the 5th part of Rig vedam. It is taken from Padma Puranam. It is the
opinion of the researchers that in the olden days palm leaves of Veda sakas
(part of some part of Rig vedam) were held by the learned; [learning entire
vedam was praiseworthy; hence only the appended to their names were Vedhi, Dwi
Vedi, Tri vedi,and Chaturvedi etc] Generally ,amy learned only few sakas. And
whatever other suktas they come across were in the palm leaves which they kept
along with their sakas. When printing was introduced, and the British hunted
for vedic leaves, whatever they found was printed as it is. The earliest dates
were considered as orderly. In that a Rigvedic saka along with the sri suktam
kept inside were also printed. Sayana treatise was when Vijaya nagara empire
was in vogue 1400 AD; and printing came in 1450 AD; and by 1500 AD 9 million
books were printed; and british in the hunt made the printing as the earliest
sakas to later found sakas; and in that as Sayana did the transcriptions, taken
under Rig vedam as Keelakam. However, THERE IS AN IMPORTANT INFORMATION IN
THIS: Rig Veda. Śaunaka's Caraṇa-vyuha lists five shakhas for theRig Veda, the
Śākala, Bāṣkala, Aśvalāyana, Śaṅkhāyana, and Māṇḍukāyana of whichonly the
Śākala and Bāṣkala and very few of Asvalayana are now extant. aND 5TH MANDALA
SRI SUKTAM IS FOUND ONLY UNDER THE BHASKALA SAKA AND NOWHERE ELSE. Find
elswhere about Sri suktam article. K R IRS 2 12 23
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Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 at 07:58
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire
offering by yajur-vedins
To: iyer <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]>
Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Dear folks
When an eyeless, bloodless, gutless, witless, senseless blood-sucking
bedbug-louse-tapeworm tries, from its hiding-place in the dirty bed-sheets and
infected pillow-cases, to expound high philosophy about our vedams and other
scriptures, it only reveals in the glare of daylight its utter incompetence,
lack of any schooling, lack of any knowledge, and scraps of junk picked up from
the intestinal waste-products of its host-victim.
To begin with, the blood-sucking parasite accuses me of:-
"his own ignorance on creation of the order of the Vedams only , as now he
knows that his Taittiriya brahmana opening is dead."
Consummate incorrigible grand liar KR ex-IRS11223 turns tail, takes to his
heels, and runs from the inescapable truth that the partition of the original
undivided veda manthrams was done by humans. Accordingly, there never ever was
a "creation of the order of the Vedams only."
Further, the opening manthram of the yajur-veda thaiththireeya braahmana is:-
"brahma samdhaththam thanme jinvatham".
It is as alive as the r'g-vedam, whose opening manthram:w
"agni meede purohitham yajnyasya devamruthvijam"
was copied word-for-word from the yajur-veda thaiththireeya samhithaa 4.3.13.3.
The blood-sucking parasite continues:-
"I said KYV came only after Sama vedam; that does not mean Rig vedam also; as I
am confirming that there was only one vedam of RICS called Rigveda."
The talking non-thinking parasite cannot see its own lack of mental equilibrium
when it first accepts that all three vedams -- r'g, yajur, and saama -- came
from the same cake, it follows that if it asserts that yajur came after saama,
so did r'g.
Same with its adharmic, avivekic, avidya, claim that only r'g-vedam consists of
r'ks, when the entire yajur-vedam, as exemplified by the udakashaanthi paata,
consists of riks.
The fork-tongued flat-worm parasite continues:-
"Yagna was in theory in the rig vedam; as admitted by Narayanasamy everything
in principle were there in that one vedam."
No. No.
Yagnya was in fact in the yajur-veda thaththireeya samhitha 4.3.13.3, from
which it was copied into the r'g-vedam, as I clarified above.
Yes. Yes.
The three wedges -- r'g, yajur, and saama -- were from the same single
primordial innominate vedam.
Then the blood-sucking parasite, even before it is detected and destroyed, has
one last dying scream of agony when repeating its perpetual exposed lie in
BLOCK CAPITALS:-
"yAJURVEDAM TOOKTHE VERSES FROM rIG VEDAM."
The incontrovertible truth is that r'g-vedam took the verses from yajur-vedam
9, 90, 900 and more times, as the parasite itself has elsewhere admitted.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 4:10 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Poor insect Narayanasamy jumped by his own ignorance on creation of the order
of the Vedams only , as now he knows that his Taittiriya brahmana opening is
dead . I said KYV came only after Sama vedam; that does not mean Rig vedam
also; as I am confirming that there was only one vedam of RICS called Rigveda
which had only principles of everything as a theory. After the only oldest
Rigvedam was given to us, ( even as per his own cake cutting , the part of
first cut , second cut , third cut alone will be there and they are not
simultaneous parted by few seconds) the memory was only through the shruti
hearing; hence the sakas were divided among the people practicing so that all
the contents are/were in tact. Only the nature and Brahmam was worshipped; No
Vigrahaam or Temples; that is why all the nature and other helpful tools and
species became so honourable by name as one, 2,3,33, 3300 and millions of Gids
later; Yagna was in theory in the rig vedam; as admitted by Narayanasamy
everything in principle were there in that one vedam. As even Sakas might have
become difficult to memorize, a tune framed musically and saman was practiced
as Sama vedam. Then along the way mathematical wizards created the yagna labs
-YAGA GUNDAM designed for various purposes. OUR ARCHEOLOGICAL DIRECTOR HAD
WRITTEN VOLUMES ON STUPAS, STUMBA etc apart from various shaped Yaga gundams
FOUND DURING THE EXCAVATIONS. yAJURVEDAM TOOKTHE VERSES FROM rIG VEDAM AND
ADDED ITS PRACTICAL TEACHINGS ON ASTROLOGY HOMA KUNDAMS ETC . Finally Atharvan
removed the tantra , medicine, etc separately from Rig vedam and added its
additional materials. That is why Rig Veda mantras will be seen in all other
three vedas somewhere. This is accepted by well read. Because Narayansamy
blabbers truth will not become lies as it is only his assertions without any
material given by Narayanasamy. KR IRS 11223NB:
Size and Shape of Yagya Kund: Mathematical and Spiritual aspects
Jairam Motlani1*
1Research Scholar, Dev Sanskriti Vishwavidyalaya, Haridwar, India
*Corresponding. Email: [email protected]
http://doi.org/10.36018/ijyr.v3i1.50
Abstract
The size and shape of the Yagya Kund is one of the important aspects for
successful completion of Yagya. Vedic literature describes in details about
their types, size, shapes and constructions. Yagya Kund size and shape helps in
construction of the Kund for specific spiritual or materialistic outcomes which
require specific mathematical measurements of Yagya Kund. The shape of the
Yagya Kund is decided based on the purpose of the Yagya, while the size is
decided based on the total offerings given to the fire. The spiritual and
mathematical aspects on size and shape of the Kund are presented in the study.
During the study analysis, it was observed that Vedic texts used mathematical
knowledge from various streams such as astrology, trigonometry, geometry, etc
in the construction of Yagya Kund. The size of Yagya Kund is directly
propositional to the number of offerings to be done. In addition, during the
construction of any Yagya Kund, first of all a circle is made whose parameter
is fixed to the number of offerings to be done, then a particular Yagya Kund is
to be constructed. Regardless of the shape, the construction of Kund based on
the diameter given in the ancient texts resulted in the same surface area and
volume for particular number of offerings, opening a gate for further study of
fine mathematics involved in the Yagya Kund construction.
Keywords
Yagya Kund, Shape, Size, offerings, Vedic Mathematics, Area and Volume, Angul,
Hast, Yava, Yuka
Introduction
Yagya is an essential part of Indian culture. According to Indian scripture,
the human life runs on the philosophy of Yagya from birth to the end. In Indian
culture conceiving (garbhdhan) is also a kind of Yagya and so the funeral
(anteyeshti). There are three root meanings of word Yagya i.e. to worship (dev
poojan), to harmonize (sangatikaran) and to bestow (daan) (1,2).
Yagya is being used for different purposes for spiritual or materialistic
desire and One of the central aspect in this regard is shape and size of the
Fire pit. The Vedic ritual Yagya is done in the fire pot termed as Kund.
As per the Panini Grammar the root (dhatu) of the word Kund implies for
meanings – 1) protective place (rakshanarthkudi), 2) object of the measurement
(manarthkkun), 3) the opening place, nurturer, place of fire, pot for water
(koshkaar Kund), etc. Here for the perspective of Yagya, it is taken as the
place for fire of Hawan (Yagya). Thus, Vedic literature describes Kund as a
medium to offer havi (offerings) to divine and the whole process as Yagya (2).
This Vedic ritual Yagya includes very strict mathematical measurement for every
part of the ritual. The size of Mandap is dependent on the size of the Kund and
the size of the Kund is dependent on the number of offerings. The number of
offerings is dependent on the spiritual penance (Dharm-anushthan) it was meant
for.
In Vedic times the science of Yagya has highly evolved. This is reflected in
different types of materials and tools used in the Yagya with detailed
protocols of their construction and utility. One such aspect of Yagya is the
size and shapes of Yagya Kund.
The size and shape of the Yagya Kund is one of the important aspects for
successful completion of Yagya. Vedic literature describes in details about
their types, size, shapes and constructions. Yagya Kund size and shape helps in
construction of the Kund for specific spiritual or materialistic outcomes which
require specific mathematical measurements of Yagya Kund.
The spiritual and mathematical aspects on size and shape of the Kund are
presented in the study.
Different shapes of Yagya Kund and their purposes
‘Bhavishya Purana’ and ‘Kund Mandap Siddhi’, both books described total 10
types of shapes i.e. Circular, Semi-circular, Vulvar shape, Trigonal shape,
Lotus shaped, square shaped, Pentagonal shaped, Hexagonal shaped, Heptagonal
shaped and Octagonal shaped. They are shown in Table 1. Different shapes are
recommended for specific spiritual and material purposes and ignorance of it,
as per the scriptures, it can lead to nullification or reduction of the desired
outcome. Table 1 also described their purpose (3,4).
These are the commonly mentioned Yagya Kund shapes. However, there are texts
mentioning other types of shapes such as starshaped Hexagonal (vishamshadastra)
and starshaped octagonal, etc (vishamashtashtra), etc (2) (Figure 1).
Figure 1. Some additional example of Yagya Kund A) Star shaped Hexagonal, B)
Star shaped Octagonal Yagya Kund (top view of Kund image).
|
Sr.No
|
Name of Yagya Kund
|
Type of shape
|
Anecdotal example of Purpose of Kund Shape
|
|
1
|
Vrittakaar Kund
|
Circular
|
For peace
|
|
2.
|
Ardhchandrakar
|
Semi-circular
|
For welfare
|
|
3.
|
Yoni Kund
|
Vulvar shape
|
To get progeny ( child) and to treat women diseases
|
|
4.
|
Trayasra
|
Trigonal shape
|
To win over enemies
|
|
5.
|
AbajKund(Padma)
|
Lotus shaped
|
To induce health, peace, wealth, positive outcome, rain
|
|
6.
|
Chatursra Kund
|
square shaped
|
For everything
|
|
7.
|
Panchasra Kund
|
Pentagonal shaped
|
For peace from enemey energies
|
|
8.
|
Shadasra Kund
|
Hexagonal shaped
|
For defying enemies (Uchhedan and maran karma)
|
|
9.
|
Saptakar Kund
|
Heptagonal shaped
|
To treat psychological disorder(bhoot dosha shanti)
|
|
10.
|
Ashtasra Kund
|
Octagonal shaped
|
To attain good health
|
Table 1. List of the Yagya Kund as per the shape and their purposes.
Different shapes of Kund provide the Yagyakarta (person, who is doing the
Yagya) different results. The person (Yagyakarta) chooses the shape of Kund on
the basis of results he or she wants from the Yagya. In the book ‘sharda tilak’
results of various shape of Yagya Kund has been described. In the shloka in the
3rd chapter 86-89 (tritya Patal, 86-89) (5), it mentioned - the square Kund can
be used for all kind of work, yoni Kund to get progeny (child), semicircle Kund
for grace, triangle Kund to fight off enemies, circle Kund to attain peace,
hexagonal Kund for defying enemy (maran and uchchheda karma), lotus shaped Kund
to promote the rain and octagonal Kund to attain health (see Table 1). Apart
from that in ‘Mandap Kund Siddhi’ book, it has been mentioned that pentagonal
Kund is used for attaining peace and heptagon Kund is used to treat
psychological disorders (bhootdosh shanti) (Table 1) (4)
Shape of Yagya Kund as per the person class (cast)
In Vedic times, the cast system was based on the deeds and not based on birth.
There are plenty of examples person born to one class choose the action of the
other class. Regardless, each type of class required different spiritual and
materialistic energy and hence, different Kund shapes were recommended for
different class. Besides it also indicated that Yagya was compulsory part of
their life regardless of their class system.
The book ‘Sharda Tilak’ describes the utilization of different Yagya Kund shape
by different category of people as follows (3) - It means Brahmin should do
Yagya in square shape Kund (chaturstra Kund), Kshatriya should do in circle
Kund (vrattakar Kund), Vaishya should do in semi circle Kund (ardhchandrakar
Kund), shudra should do in triangle Kund (trikona Kund) and females should do
in Yoni Kund (3).
Size of the Yagya Kund is dependent on the total number of offerings
Vedic literature mentioned the size of the Kund is dependent on the total
number of offerings. The size of the Yagya Kund is calculated before its
construction as it is mandatory that during the Yagya process, it should not
overflow and no situation arises that it gets full and access needs to be
removed. The fire is considered very sacred and divine and it should be
respected well. Rishis, hence, used very fine mathematics for the whole
process. i.e. Yagya Kund must have capacity to hold that volume of offerings
and at the end of the Yagya, Yagya Kund should be filled 2/3 of the total size
and height.
Total number of offerings decides total volume. Hence, a Vedic calculation for
total number of offerings and required size is mentioned in literature as
follows in table 2.
A Shloka from the ancient Indian book of Yagya known as shardatilak (3) states
that the size of Yagya Kund should be considered on the basis of the number of
offerings to fire (ahuties) to be offered. For 10,000 offerings (ahuties)
BhuHastatmaka Kund (1 hand long) is enough, for 100000 offerings DueHastatmaka
(2 hand long) should be considered. For 1000000 offerings a person should make
ChaturHast Kund (4 hand long) and if evenmore number of offerings are involved
in Yagya the AashtHastatmaka Kund (8 hand long) should be constructed.
Here ‘hand’ is used as a unit which is not as length but rather represents area
or volume and it is a unit required for construction of the Yagya Kund. The
details are as follows.
Mathematical units involve in construction of Yagya Kund (5)
Here the Kunds are classified based on the size measured in the unit ‘Hast’
(hand). In the construction of Yagya Kund in Vedic times the mathematical
formulas had particular units such as Liksha, Yuka, Yava, Angul, Hast. These
units helped in doing construction of fine and complex shaped Yagya Kund. These
units are converted and shown in modern units as below.
- 8 liksha = 1yuka= 0.03125 cm = 0.01230316 inch
- 8 yuka = 1 yava = 0.25 cm = 0.09842525 inch
- 8 yava = 1 Angul (approximate width of a finger of host) = 2 cm =0.787402
inch
- 24 Angul = 1 Hast= 48 cm = 18.897648 inch
- 21 Angul = 1 ratni= 42 cm = 16.535442 inch
- 22 Angul = 1 aratni= 44 cm = 17.322844 inch
‘Hast’ and ‘Angul’ are the main units for Yagya Kund construction. 1 Hast is 24
Angul. This is a base formula for all types of calculations in the Yagya Kund
construction.
The research article by Shailajkumarshrivastava (5) described 1 Angul as 2.0
cm. The book by Munger Yoga Publications (6) described 1 Angul as 1.9 cm. It
also mentioned that the Angul used for calculating the Yagya Kund construction
is the measurement of the width of the thumb of the Yajman (host), who is
supposed to give the offerings to fire. It also explains that the total volume
of offerings is dependent on the size of the finger/Angul of the host. This was
the finest calculation used in Yagya Kund construction.
|
Number of oblation
|
Traditional Name of the Kund
|
Common term & Traditional unit
|
Area of the Kund
|
|
<50
|
---
|
Mushthimatra
|
---
|
|
51-99
|
---
|
>From Kuhani to Kanishka
|
---
|
|
Up to 1000
|
BhuHastatmaka
|
One hand = 24 Angul
|
576 Angul
|
|
Up to 10,000
|
DueHastatmaka
|
2 hand = 34 Angul
|
1152 Angul
|
|
Up to 1,00,000
|
AbidhyHastatmaka
|
4 hand = 41Angul
|
2304 Angul
|
|
Up to 1 million (10,00,000)
|
Angsthatmaka
|
6 hand = 58Angul
|
3456 Angul
|
|
Up to 10 million
(1,00,00,000)
|
AshtHastatmaka
|
8 hand = 63 Angul
|
4608 Angul
|
Table 2: Relation of the number of offerings and required size of the Kund
Fundamental considerations in the Yagya Kund construction and their
mathematical aspects
Bhavishya Purana (2) and Sharda Tilak (chapter 3 shloka 82-83) (3) described -
if you have to offer 50 to 99 offerings then make rattipraman Kund (21 Angul),
for 100 to 999 offering make aratnipraman Kund (22 Angul), for 1000 to 9999
offering make 24 Angul (1 Hast) Kund, for 10,000 to 99,999 offering make two
‘Hast’ Kund, for 100,000 to 999,999 offerings make 4 ‘Hast’ Kund, for 10,00,000
to 99,99,999 offerings make 6 ‘Hast’ Kund, and if the offerings are over
99,99,999 then make 8 ‘Hast’ Kund. Table 2 describes the relevant area for
different Kund sizes.
The volume is same of all different shaped YagyaKunds
The most interesting thing in these calculations is that regardless of shape,
the volume is kept same for the same amount of offerings as offerings count
decides the total volume required (Table 3).
The diameter of the circle for each type of the Kund shape was previously
described in the book ‘Kund Mandap Siddhi’ (4,8). Also the Vedic formula to
calculate the area using diameter (see sloka 13 reference 8) is also described
in the book and it was applied as shown in table 3. As it is seen the all 10
shaped with different diameter resulted in same area i.e. 576 Angul which is
decided based on the number of offerings as shown in Table 2.
|
Sr. no.
|
Name of Yagya Kund shape
|
Diameter of circled (Angul.yava.yuka) = cm.
|
Multiply the square of diameter of circle (D2) by the divisor given in shloka
|
Divide the product by 10000
|
Area of the Kund ( Angul)
|
|
1.
|
Circular Kund (vritt Kund)
|
(27.0.5) = 54.155 cm
|
7854* D2
|
5756982/10000
|
575.7
|
|
2.
|
Padhma Kund
|
(27.0.5) = 54.155 cm
|
7854* D2
|
5756982/10000
|
575.7
|
|
3.
|
Ardhchandra Kund
|
38.2.3 = 74.593 cm
|
2927* D2
|
5759927.2/10000
|
575.9
|
|
4.
|
Yoni Kund
|
30.2.0 = 60.5 cm
|
6293.4* D2
|
5760000/10000
|
576
|
|
5.
|
Trikon Kund
|
42.1.0 = 84.25 cm
|
3247.4* D2
|
5760000/10000
|
576
|
|
6.
|
Chaturasra Kund
|
33.7.4 = 67.875 cm
|
5000* D2
|
5760000/10000
|
576
|
|
7.
|
Panchasra Kund
|
31.1.0 = 62.25 cm
|
5944/2* D2
|
5760000/10000
|
576
|
|
8.
|
Shadasra Kund
|
29.6.0 = 59.5 cm
|
6495* D2
|
5760000/10000
|
575.9
|
|
9.
|
Saptasra Kund
|
29.0.0 = 58 cm
|
6841* D2
|
5759266.7/10000
|
576
|
|
10.
|
Ashtasra Kund
|
28.4.0 = 57 cm
|
7071* D2
|
5759329.4/10000
|
575.9
|
Table 3. The diameter of the different Kund for its construction and
calculation of their surface area.
Conclusion
Design and construction of yagya Kund requires very scientific and rigorous
mathematical knowledge. Indian sage had developed the science of Yagya Kund
construction with very fine mathematical models and they were great scientists.
They provided Vedic mathematical formulation for preparation of yagya Kund
which is true in current time period too. Regardless of the shapes the total
volume& surface area remained same. The different shapes of yagya Kund have
different aims as their purpose was to produce different energy with help of
different Yagya Kund shapes. The energy science and protocols of different
shapes for specific purposes is beyond the scope of this paper but it demands a
thorough investigation of this Vedic wisdom.
References
- Acharya shrivardrajpranita. Laghusidhhantkoumudi, subodh sutra (sutra
864). Choukhambha Sanskrit bhawan, Varanasi. 2018;p-582. ISBN:
978-81-89986-89-6.
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From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 12:40
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire
offering by yajur-vedins
To: iyer <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]>
Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Dear folks
Backed into a corner due to his repeated lies, the master serial liar K R
ex-IRS 11223 merely re-bleats for the umpteenth time his totally erroneous
conception of the origins of the r'g, yajur, and saama vedams, which in fact
were human-engineered partitions of the original mass of vedic manthrams which
were of divine origin.
His new mad and absolutely baseless fantasy is:-
"Yajur vedam was created only after the Sama Vedam as a procedural science of
architecture of HOMA kundam."
The straightforward rebuttal is:-
The r'g-vedam prescribes in various places fire-sacrifices to the various gods,
including agni, varuna, the maruts. So, by his own assertion, was r'g-vedam
"created only after Sama Vedam"?
Or, as is the obvious truth, which the madman takes to his heels and runs off
from -- all three vedams: r'g, yajur, and saama, were created SIMULTANEOUSLY
by humans cutting the same single "cake" of the original mass of undivided veda
manthrams?
He only verifies yet again his pap-sucking pupillage of the doctrines of
mleccha figures Asaduddun Owaisi/Zakir Naik/Wendy Doniger O'Flagerty/Arundathi
Roi, which he blindly reproduces in his own sewer/gutter broken English, e.g.
"KR ex-IRS 1123 is in doubt, but would like to learn by tethering others.
Another incident of he is zero in knowledge."
Mere desperate abuse and vilification is no substitute for clear, logical,
verifiable, sober argument.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:05 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
The Purging within and without, pram Narayanan, from sin city, at 97, keeps
rolling without any substance; who copied from sanskrit site wrongly the
opening verses of nakshatra ritual parts of a brahmana lifted from Rig Vedam ;
about which I finished writing long back; due to his inability to write
meaning, since it is not available anywhere onsite, as usual , abuse others;
and try to shift his karma-bad on others. This brahmana is the basis of
astrology, yagnam and designing of yaga- gundam etc; Yajur vedam was created
only after the Sama Vedam as a procedural science of architecture of HOMA
kundam creations geometrically designing where the present science of Golden
Ratio, Pi, Geometric properties were applied; the treatise on thes are in
sanskrit as far as the Ashtyaka 3 is concerned. Ashtaka 3 of Taittiriya
Brahamana has 12 divisions. And Ashwanetha yaga controversy had stopped many
from open treatise in languages; as a matter of fact Zakir and narayanasamy
like avivekis had started abusing this part in many derogatory remarks, without
knowing the depth, as Narayanasamy is in doubt, but would like to learn by
tethering others. Another incident of he is zero in knowledge. K R IRS 11223
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From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 at 06:50
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Fwd: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire
offering by yajur-vedins
To: iyer <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]>
Cc: Narayanaswamy Subramanian <[email protected]>
Dear folks
The uninhibited, unschooled, uneducated, vagrant
dalit-by-choice-and-temperament slavish follower and imitator of Asaduddun
Owaisi/Zakit Naik/Wendy Doniger O'Flaherty/Arundathi Roi -- K R IRS 301123
alias Rajaram K alias iraachaa iramoo muttaal alias Cockroachmoorthy -- who
made a mess of trying to translate from Sanskrit into gutter-gibberish broken
English his own quoted passage from r'g-vedam concerning parjanyam and couldn't
understand even a single word from the short and clear Sanskrit verses
regarding parjanyam from yajur-vedam which I challenged him to translate into
English -- now parades in public his abysmal ignorance of Sanskrit.
And consequently resorts to his only surviving trick -- copy-pasting a scrap of
junk he picked up in the course of his new career of
rubbish-and-refuse-collector after retiring ingloriously as undistinguished
tax-collector.
Pity the aged senile unmitigated fool.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 1:37 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
Vide his ignorance of missing the lines In sanskrit may refer to people who
knew sanskrit K R ajaram IRS 301123
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From: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 at 10:44
Subject: [iyer123] Yaajamaana samskaaraha -- fire offering by yajur-vedins
To: iyer <[email protected]>
Cc: Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
harihi om!
shree gurubhyoh namaha!
l
chithraa nakshathram bhasaamgrahanyeshtyaa yajathe limaam janathaagum
samgruhnaaneethi ldvaadashaarathnee rashanaa bhavathi ldvaadasha maasaaha
samvathsaraha lsamvathsararamevaa avarunthe lmaunjee bhavathi loorjvai
munjaaha loorjamevaa avarunthe lchithraa nakshathram bhavathi lchithram vaa
eathathkarma ll
harihi om!
(Thaiththireeya brahmana 3.8.1.1.)
My comments:-
Only for the fully initiated pious and practising braahmanas who have undergone
upanayanam and veda-upadesham under proper qualified, practising, proficient
and competent gurus in a guru-kulam or in their own homes under the tuition of
their fathers, grandfathers, or other elders.
Not for unschooled, uneducated, vagrant dalit-by-choice-and-temperament slavish
followers and imitators of Asaduddun Owaisi/Zakit Naik/Wendy Doniger
O'Flaherty/Arundathi Roi.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
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