My dear sekar UI did not expect such a hasty advances on G just to support in spite of having a fair knowhow; herewith i have attached Vyasar virundhu TVA_BOK_0002439_வியாசர்_விருந்து.pdf <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AqAKtlzIQ9By-ErkYyYCz2sZZpZZa_7q/view?usp=drive_web> tamil for all to read and for you to read and say where Rajaji said in that Draoupati laughed? G and N are fools but... I am pained K Rajaram IRS 11 3 24 NB Pl read through Google link drive all of you as it exceeds the 8 MB limit. Also I have 2 volumes of cho Mahabharatham pesugirathu 2 vol Nowhere cho said so QAnd panchaaali vayal seetha azhagal etc are nowhere in authentic print It is like Mukam nirmulam pooradam nooladhu like And fools can say but not aged well read Thank you K Rajaram IRS 11 3 24
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 08:20 Subject: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] Panchali vaayal kettal To: N Sekar <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha < [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, Narayanaswamy Sekar <[email protected]> Thank you Mr Sekar for response with very good additions. No body in the present or generation decades or centuries before have seen the original Mahabharatham written by Lord Ganesha, dictated by Vedavysa. What we have is something carried in memory and hand written at a time and later printed. So the so called vyasabharatham is something carried over by memory. Regarding mango incident Droupadi did not tell the truth, finally when Krishna asked, she told it in private. The moment she said, mango got fixed to the branch. She did not reveal her thought openly. *What I read through internet for the first time. * My only point of posting it was for expanding the saying posted by revered Mr Narayanaswamy- *Seethai azhakal kettal, Panchali vayal kettal,* commonly used in talks by brahmin households. For that the laughing when Duryodhana drenched in water by Panchali is sufficient. I could not get more instances for Panchali azhakal kettal other than the Subhadra incident. Gopalakrishnan On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 02:50:47 pm IST, N Sekar <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks Sri G K. Some of the incidents you have mentioned are not there (Draupadi loving Karna for example) in the Vyasa Bharatham - I have read both Rajaji's Vyasar Virundhu and Cho Sirs Mahabharatham which are based ONLY on Vaysa's original version. (there are several adapted versions of Mahbharatha - and also of Ramayana - like the Kamba Ramayana which differs on several places from Valmiki's original). They have mentioned that Draupadi laughed at Duryodana (when she, together with Bhima standing in the balcony inside the palace) falling saying "The son of a blind man is also blind".an this insult Duryodana never forgot nor forgive. If my memory serves me right, Cho sir writes that the Pandavaas plucked the mango from the tree and on hearing t belonged to a Rishi and bears fruits only rarely, wanted it to stick to the tree. That's when Krishna asks them to tell the truth and all including Draupadi say their inner feelings and the mango goes and sticks to the branch. I don't remember having read that she had a soft corner for Karna. N sekar N Sekar On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 12:03:04 PM GMT+4, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers <[email protected]> wrote: Panchali vaayal kettal Dear friends, Yesterday I had posted about Seethai azhakal kettal. This is about Droupati. Panchali (Droupati) had her troubles, because of her talk, smile or laugh. Also the saying Panchali azhakal kettal is also correct. Droupati was a dark complexioned beautiful lady. Continue reading. My Google searches are provided with date. Gopalakrishnan 10-3-24 1. Introduction Draupadi was of 30 years when she married to all Pandavas. Draupadi was 25 years when she was born from holy fire. Her swayamvara took place after 5 years. Draupadi is considered one of the greatest beauties in Indian mythology. Her skin was so dark, it was almost blue. Same with Krishna, Vishnu, and Shiva.28 Jun 2023 2 What was special about Draupadi? She was extremely beautiful, intelligent and virtuous women, with her body smelling like fresh bloom lotus. There were only a few women in Hindu Mythology who were aggressive and who spoke their mind in the world of men. Draupadi was one of them. She is considered by many as the first feminist of Hindu Mythology. 3. Bharatha Paryatanam by Kuttikrishna Marar My first introduction to the Panchali swayamvaram and details was from my Malayalam text book titled above in the first year of BSc. degree course. A vivid description I could read from it. While the swayamvaram was arranged, Duryodhana along with Karna, and Pandavas attended along with many others. Pandavas were in Anjathavasam at that time. They were in disguise as Brahmins. Karna was discarded by Droupadi calling him as charioteer’s son. Though Angarajyam was given to him by Suyodhana and made him a king, still Droupadi did not accepted him. A bad impact made by her on Karna made him to call later whor during vasthrakshepam (disrobing). Some how Lord Krishna could convince Drupada and Droupadi, that pandavas were in disguise as Brahmins, and Arjuna won her in swayamvar. Just because Kunti without seeing the gift (Droupadi), told, all can share the gift, Droupadi became wife of all Pandavas. She was pride of keeping all Pandavas in harmony though she liked Arjuna more than others who won her in swayamvaram. Later when Arjun married Subhadra, sister of Lord Krishna, she was very particular she should stay in a separate palace. 4 Who was Draupadi attracted to? As per the folk play from Maharashtra called Jambul- Aakhyaan Draupadi admitted that she loved Karna more than her husbands and regretted not marrying him because of the caste. She stated that had she married Karna, she would have been happy and not disrobed by Dusshasan.12 Dec 2022 5 The mango story There is an interesting mango story told in the Aaranyakanda. It is told it was to suppress the pride of Droupadi created by Lord Krishna. Many versions are there. In one of them, she says she loved Arjuna more among Pandavas and in another She thought if Karna too had been her husband to Lord Krishna. ( I am not repeating the story here) “Then came Draupadi’s turn. She must tell the truth, Krishna appealed to her – she, who was born of the sacred homa fire and was the eternal goddess herself. She was a great deal more important than the Pandavas. Draupadi said that she was like any woman who feels attraction for a handsome male, be he her brother or her son. She said that although the five Pandavas were her husbands, she had greater affection for Arjuna. Then she went on to say what every one knew by then, things like how she was humiliated in the Kaurava court and how she had left her hair loose since then, promising to tie it up with the blood of Dussasana, etc., and how she would be the cause of the destruction of the Kaurava brothers. The mangoes ripened by her truth.” [2]The blog is owned by B. N pattanaik. Droupati was rebirth of Nalayini, it is told 6 Hasthinapuram palace incident Duryodhana came to see the new palace of Pandavas. He had difficulty in seeing floor and pools in the palace and falling often on account of it. Droupathi was showing him the palace As the story goes, Duryodhana fell in a pond, mistaking it for floor and got drenched. According to BR Chopra's version, beholding all this Draupadi laughed sarcastically and insulted him by saying, “Andhe ka Putra Andha'', i.e., “The Son of Blind is Also Blind”.20 Apr 2020 6.1 Did Draupadi really laugh at Duryodhana? I (writer) did my own research and find out that Draupadi did not laugh at Duryodhana, nor did she say anything insulting to him. She was just passing by with her friends and happened to laugh at something else.3 Jan 2024 6.2 Why did Duryodhana hate Draupadi?He was jealous of Pandavas. There was a misconception that she made fun of Duryodhana so he revenged.26 Dec 2017 But they say it is her arrogant jeering of Duryodhana -I mean laughing at his discomfiture -in the Palace of Illusions that Maya had built for Pandavas. The plot of MB is a complex web if interaction of cause-effect relations of many more sets of people (by Mahadeva Sarma in an answer) In my college days we used to say- Unless Panchali laughed at Duryodhana, the great war would not have occurred. 7. Droupathi telling in the end of war “O descendant of the Bharata lineage! Look at your brothers and delight them. They are like proud bulls and proud kings of elephants. All of you are like the immortals. All of you are scorchers of enemies and are capable of withstanding enemies. It is my view that even a single one of you would have been enough to bring me happiness, not to speak of when all of you tigers and men and bulls among men are my husbands, like the senses enervating the body.” Ref - Debroy Bibek. The Mahabharata: Volume 8 (Kindle Locations 3160-3164). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition. 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