*You son of brothel whore, SARAMA* *Licking is your exclusive monopoly * *Licking anuses of pathans and chandalas*
*For a change, try licking the unwashed* * anuses of YOUR HOUSEHOLD PROSTITUTES . You will acquire * *better sensATION * On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 09:08, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote: > *You son of brothel whore, Rajaram* > > *Licking is your exclusive monopoly * > > *Licking anuses of pathans and chandalas* > > *For a change, try licking the unwashed* > > * anuses of brahmins. You will acquire * > > *better sense* > > > > > > > On Wed, 24 Apr, 2024, 8:47 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Edae Rajaram, did I write? If somebody wrote use on them >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Wednesday, 24 April, 2024 at 08:45:14 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> dey gopala tp son of do not turn off face sarama is your close licking >> friend he wrote that but did you ask him tp? KR >> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 22:09, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mr Rajaram, >> >> Don't try to pacify me. You are an uncultured fellow. *First regret for >> your abuse if you are cultured *or leave me alone. I can also write to >> you roughly with out any abusing or uncultured words. >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Wednesday, 24 April, 2024 at 08:15:26 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Gopala that word was taught to me only by your licking friend saraama. >> You are totally blind and lack gray matter KR >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *gopala krishnan* <[email protected]> >> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 21:29 >> Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] How many fathers in the vedic scriptures >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty >> Thatha <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, >> Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]>, APS Mani <[email protected]> >> >> >> Mr Rajaram, >> >> Why don't you add one more? A son born to prostitute(Thevidiya payal) >> which you use on others. >> >> Gopalakrishnan >> >> On Wednesday, 24 April, 2024 at 06:53:01 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> A couple of days back an excellent compilation of cogently connected >> data about FATHER UNDER 5 FATHERS; ALREADY i HAD SEVERAL PITA AND MATA >> DETAILS CULLED OUT FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES ON DIFFERENT EARLIER DATES. AND >> THAT WORD BAYATRATHA kindled my thoughts ; so I wanted to add some more >> apart from Brahma vaivarta purana which is only a later edition which >> included from so many sources. J K Sivan, an eminent author, did it >> articulately. Now lets see what a treasure we have and why so many do not >> change yet to sip. ? >> >> Pita Father the enormous explanation of that duty >> >> Definition 1: From the Vedanga based ‘Nirukta' by Yāskācārya >> >> Yāska basically gives two definitions or etymology for the word in the >> Nirukta: >> >> 1. Nirukta 4.21 & 6.15: >> >> " पिता पाता वा पालयिता वा; नि पिता-गोपिता " >> >> " pitā pātā vā pālayitā vā; ni pitā-gopitā - >> >> The one who sustains, nourishes and protects is thus known as Pitā >> (father). >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> 2. Alternative definition from Shabda-Kalpa-Druma Sanskrit Dictionary: >> >> Pitā is derived from the root " ‘pā rakṣaṇe' (पा रक्षणे)". >> >> Therefore, the etymology thus derived as: >> >> "yaḥ pāti sa pitā - यः पाति स पिता" (or) >> >> "pāti rakṣati iti pitā - पाति रक्षति इति पिता" (or) >> >> " pāti rakṣatyapayaṃ yaḥ sa pitā - पाति रक्षत्यपयं यः स पिता ।" >> >> i.e., The one who 'protects' is known as Pitā (father). >> >> 1. According to the Nirukta - a father (Pitā) is someone Who Protects, >> Sustains & Nourishes. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 2: From the Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa >> >> In the Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa, Book IV: Kiṣkindhā Kāṇḍa - The Empire of Holy >> Monkeys: Chapter 18, >> >> Śhrī Rāma himself explains to Vāli - who is to be called as a "Father - >> Pitā >> >> ज्येष्ठो भ्राता पिता चैव यः च विद्याम् प्रयच्छति | >> >> त्रयः ते पितरो ज्ञेया धर्मे च पथि वर्तिनः || ४-१८-१३ || >> >> jyeṣṭho bhrātā pitā caiva yaḥ ca vidyām prayacchati | >> >> trayaḥ te pitaro jñeyā dharme ca pathi vartinaḥ || 4-18-13 || >> >> "It is to be known by him who treads the way of righteousness that he >> has *three fatherly personages*, namely his own father, his elder >> brother, and the one who accords education to him. [4-18-13] >> >> यवीयान् आत्मनः पुत्रः शिष्यः च अपि गुणोदितः | >> >> पुत्रवत् ते त्रयः चिंत्या धर्मः चैव अत्र कारणम् || ४-१८-१४ || >> >> yavīyān ātmanaḥ putraḥ śiṣyaḥ ca api guṇoditaḥ | >> >> putravat te trayaḥ ciṃtyā dharmaḥ caiva atra kāraṇam || 4-18-14 || >> >> "An younger brother, a son, and a disciple with good characteristics, >> these *three *are to be deemed as one's own sons, for such matters take >> base on rectitude alone. [4-18-14] >> >> 2. Therefore according to the Rāmāyaṇa, reconciling the above two verses >> - 13 & 14, conclusions are reached, scripturally: the Elder brother, the >> biological father & the teacher (Acarya) for a person are all to be >> equivalent to Pitā (पिता). >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 3: From the Mahabharata >> >> In the Adi Parva (1.93.25) of the Mahābhārata, we again get *three >> types of people qualified to be called Pitā, as per Ṛṣi Kaṇva:* >> >> शरीरकृत् प्राणदाता यस्य चान्नानि भुंजते । >> >> क्रमेणैते त्रयोऽप्युक्ताः पितरो धर्मशासने ।। २५ ।। >> >> śarīrakṛt prāṇadātā yasya cānnāni bhuṃjate । >> >> krameṇaite trayo'pyuktāḥ pitaro dharmaśāsane ।। 25 ।। >> >> First, the one who contributes to our body be conceived via the >> garbhādhāna samskara, Second, the one who has saved our lives or protect us >> (abhayadānam), and Third, the one who provides for our food and >> necessities - all these three as designated to be called as Father - Pitā. >> >> Bhīṣma gives Yudhiṣṭhira the exact same definition as above in the >> Anuśāsana Parva: Chapter 69: >> >> यश्चैवमुत्पादयते यश्चैनं त्रायते भयात । >> >> यश्चास्य कुरूते वृत्तिं सर्वे ते पितरस्त्रय: ।। १८ ।। >> >> yaścaivamutpādayate yaścainaṃ trāyate bhayāta । >> >> yaścāsya kurūte vṛttiṃ sarve te pitarastraya: ।। 18 ।। >> >> He who procreates a person, he who rescues a person, and he who assign a >> means of livelihood to a person, are considered as the *three *fathers. >> >> 3. Thus, according to the Mahābhārata - one's own biological >> progenitor, the one who Protects, and the one who Sustains - these three >> are to be called Pitā. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 4: From the Brahmavaivarta Purāṇa >> >> In the Chapter 10: Jāti-Sambandhaṃ-Nirṇayo from the Section I: Brahma >> Khaṇḍa in the the Brahmavaivarta Purana, we get another definition on the >> above similar lines:{ KR At the end I had extracted few pages >> photocopied from my book which will be interestin; and these would appear >> again in articles which is under sanathana dharma may go for sometime also. >> } >> >> श्यालीपतिस्तु भ्राता च श्वशुरैकत्वहेतुना । >> >> श्वशुरस्तु पिता ज्ञेयोजन्मदातुः समो मुने ॥ १५२ ॥ >> >> śyālīpatistu bhrātā ca śvaśuraikatvahetunā । >> >> śvaśurastu pitā jñeyo janmadātuḥ samo mune ॥ 152 ॥ >> >> The father-in-Law of one's own sister and that of one's Sister-in-Law - >> both are equivalent to be treated as one's own "Father (Pitā)". >> >> अन्नदाता भयत्राता पत्नीतातस्तथैव च । >> >> विद्यादाता जन्मदाता पञ्चैते पितरो नृणाम् ॥ १५३ ॥ >> >> annadātā bhayatrātā patnītātastathaiva ca । >> >> vidyādātā janmadātā pañcaite pitaro nṛṇām ॥ 153 ॥ >> >> The one who gives birth (biological father), the one who provides food >> (Sustains), the one who relieves from danger (gives Protection), one's >> Wife's Father, (father in law) and the one who imparts knowledge (Guru or >> Ācārya) - each one amongst *the five* of these is worthy of being called >> a father - (*Pitā/Pitṛ)". >> >> 4. According to Brahmavaivarta Purāṇa - one's biological father, the >> Sustainer-Nourisher, the Protector, ones' Teacher, the father of Wife, the >> Father-in-Law of both sister and sister-in-law are to be accorded the >> status of a "father (Pitā)". >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 5: From the Manusmṛti >> >> Manusmṛti [ Verse 2.146 ], gives a more situation-based "exhaustive" >> definition for the word - Pitā (पिता), especially in reference to a >> dvija: >> >> उत्पादकब्रह्मदात्रोर्गरीयान् ब्रह्मदः पिता । >> >> ब्रह्मजन्म हि विप्रस्य प्रेत्य चैह च शाश्वतम् ॥ १४६ ॥ >> >> utpādakabrahmadātrorgarīyān brahmadaḥ pitā | >> >> brahmajanma hi viprasya pretya caiha ca śāśvatam || 146 || >> >> Between the progenitor and the imparter of the veda, the imparter op the >> veda is the more venerable father; for the brāhmaṇa’s “birth” is the veda, >> eternally,—here as well as after death.—(146) >> >> Thus, both the biological father and the imparter of the knowledge of the >> Veda (one's ‘Āchārya’) are to be referred to and considered as Pitā (पिता). >> However, the situation varies, as Medhātithi explains in his Manubhāṣya: >> >> Medhātithi’s commentary (manubhāṣya): >> >> ‘Progenitor’—is one who gives natural birth; ‘Imparter of the Veda’ is >> one who teaches;—both these are ‘fathers’; and between these two ‘fathers,’ >> that Father is ‘more venerable’ who imparts the Veda. So that when the >> Father and the Preceptor are both present, the Preceptor should be saluted >> first. >> >> The text adds a valedictory statement in support of what has been >> said—‘The Brāhmaṇa’s birth is the Veda’; i.e., is for the purpose of >> learning the Veda; >> >> According to the Manusmṛti: >> >> 5(a). Thus, the one who's responsible for our physical birth is to be >> taken in the material sense of being as a Pitā, i.e, a progenitor who gives >> a Natural birth is the 'Bhautika or Sāṃsārika Pitā'. >> >> 5(b). However, for a "Dvija", i.e., the twice-born, it's the ‘Āchārya’ >> who initiates them into the knowledge of Vedas, which is what actually >> constitutes their "second-birth". Therefore, in the Spiritual & >> Metaphysical perspective, an ‘Āchārya’ is the pita i.e, ‘Imparter of the >> Veda’ i.e., one's ‘Āchārya’ - may be called as the 'Ādhyātmika or Brahmavid >> Pitā'. >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 6: From the Chāṇakya Nīti >> >> As per Chāṇakya Nīti: >> >> जनिता चोपनेता च, यस्तु विद्यां प्रयच्छति || >> >> अन्नदाता भयत्राता, पंचैते पितरः स्मृताः || ०५-२२ || >> >> janitā copanetā ca, yastu vidyāṃ prayacchati || >> >> annadātā bhayatrātā, paṃcaite pitaraḥ smṛtāḥ || 05-22 || >> >> These five have been ordained to be called as Pitā - the biological >> father, the one who initiates into the Vedas, the one who imparts >> Education, the one who provides food and necessities, and the one who >> Protects i.e, 'Pālanahāra ( पालनहार )'. >> >> 6. One's biological progenitor, Vedic rites initiator, Teacher (Guru), >> and the Sustainer and the Protector - these five are designated as the >> status of Pitā ( पिता ). >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Definition 7: From the "Historical" Etymological Perspective: west view >> is also given as a reference ; and in my view Pita is also ised; but in >> Rigvedam this word is limited; and I dont know they mean it. KR IRS 24424 >> >> The occurrence of the word 'Pitā' is rare in the Vedic literature, >> however, the word Pitṛ is encountered several times, albeit with myriad >> etymological connotations. >> >> In their work: Vedic Index of Names and Subjects [by Macdonell, Arthur >> Anthony, 1854-1930; Keith, Arthur Berriedale, 1879-1944], the authors have >> given the following analysis, noting the following (wrt. words based on 'pa >> -Pitṛ' roots): >> >> Pita-putra, 'father and son,' is a compound of rare occurrence. >> >> Pita-putriya ('relating to father and son'), >> >> Pita-maha, beside Tatamaha, denotes from the Atharvaveda onwards the >> 'paternal grandfather,' apparently as a ' father in a higher sense.' The >> great-grandfather is Prapitamaha and Pratatamaha. >> >> It is significant that there are no corresponding Vedic words for >> maternal grandparents, and that the words used in the latter >> >> language, such as Matamaha, are imitations of the terms for paternal >> relations.* >> >> In one passage of the Rigveda Delbriick suggests that make pitre means ' >> grandfather,' {KR the mistaken identity but root was well captured by the >> west} >> >> The grandmother (Pitamahi) is not mentioned in the extant Vedic >> literature. >> >> Pitu: >> >> Pitu in the Rigveda 1 and later 2 has the general sense of nutriment,' >> whether food or drink.(KR Hindi word "peetha"had arisen out of the >> sanskrit root only) >> >> Pitr, >> >> common from the Rigveda onwards, denotes 'father,' not so much as the ' >> begetter ' (janitr/janitā), but rather as the protector of the child, this >> being probably also the etymological sense of the word. >> >> The father in the Rigveda stands for all that is good and kind. Hence >> Agni is compared with a father, while Indra is even dearer than a father. >> >> 'Pitā = janitā (जनिता)' - is used of gods in the Rigveda e.g., iv. 17, >> 12. >> >> (An etymological classification for janitā can also be accessed from here) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> The Protector, the dearest of all (or Gods), the Nourisher/Sustainer. >> >> tl;dr:Thus, basis the above discussion we conclude that for a person, >> anyone from the below list is worthy of being referred to as a "Father - >> Pitā ( पिता )": >> >> One's biological procreator. >> >> The one who initiates into Vedas via Upanayana (for a "dvija"). >> >> One's Teacher/Ācārya/Guru - Spiritual Father. >> >> One's Elder Brother i.e., the Jyeṣṭha. >> >> Wife's father - ones' Father-in-Law. >> >> The one who gives Protection or gives Abhayadāna. >> >> The one who saved one's life. >> >> The one who Sustains & Nourishes. >> >> The Father-in-law of both - one's own Sister & the Sister-in-Law. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> FIVE FATHERS…. >> >> 1.अन्नदाता भयत्राता, यस्य कन्या विवाहिता । >> >> जनिता चोपनेता च, पञ्चैते पितरः स्मृताः ॥ >> >> (Anna-dātā bhay-trātā, yasya kanyā vivāhitāa । >> >> janitā chopanetā cha, pañchaite pitaraḥ smṛitāḥ ॥) >> >> 2 कन्यादातान्नदाता च ज्ञानदाताभयप्रदः । >> >> जन्मदो मन्त्रदो ज्येष्ठभ्राता च पितरः स्मृतः ॥ >> >> (Kanyādātānnadātā cha jñānadātābhayapradaḥ । >> >> janmado mantrado jyeṣṭha-bhrātā cha pitaraḥ smṛitaḥ ॥) >> >> । ॐ सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः । >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [image: image.png]Brahma vaivartha puranam Brahma kandam chap 10 p47 >> extracts: >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> [image: image.png][image: image.png][image: >> 77b01d6c-fb08-4dd2-9368-5bf49de74008.png] >> Thee pages can be enlarged to read comfortably in your media K RAJARAM >> IRS 24424 >> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqDbPZX4bo_79_GjSZXAG9GhaWbxzm2Anh9k0GjRf8Y8w%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqDbPZX4bo_79_GjSZXAG9GhaWbxzm2Anh9k0GjRf8Y8w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqmRA2Y2eEhTn%2BJDashU1cJ%2BvRv_roEVp5N2i%3DmJCCnvQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqmRA2Y2eEhTn%2BJDashU1cJ%2BvRv_roEVp5N2i%3DmJCCnvQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqRJgB-cEpG8jMMbbeqM3OvbWshvp6hXBwAuVe9DdnsKQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqRJgB-cEpG8jMMbbeqM3OvbWshvp6hXBwAuVe9DdnsKQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "iyer123" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/351137916.1861130.1713928651495%40mail.yahoo.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/351137916.1861130.1713928651495%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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