CULTURAL QA 04-2024-26A Q1 Are Sindhis baniye?
KR Basically a wrong question either from caste or Business point of view. Bania (also spelled Baniya, Banija, Banya, Vaniya, Vani, Vania and Vanya) is a mercantile caste mainly from the Indian states of Gujarat and Rajasthan, with strong diasporic communities in Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, Maharashtra (mainly Mumbai) and other northern states. And asking a Sindhis as Baniya as in Gujarat is a baseless communication. Baniya, or Bania, is a clan of the Gurjar community of India and Pakistan. They speak Gujari in the Himalayan region and a number of other languages in the other locations where they inhabit. They practise Hinduism and Islam. They are Muslims in Kashmir and Pakistan, and Hindus in northern Indian regions. They inhabit in several provinces of Pakistan, including Punjab, Baluchistan, Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit-Baltistan.” People of India: The Communities: Gaddi-Muslim Teli. Anthropological Survey of India. p. 1036. ISBN 978-81-7304-114-3 “asserts that, Gujar who do not seem to maintain any social intercourse with other Muslims. They are among the few Muslim groups who have been able to retain a system of gotras of their Hindu ancestry, namely, Kasana, Baniya, Lodha, Padhana, Bagri, Dinda, Bhainsi, Chauhan, Bessuwal, Chechi, Khatang, Chopra and Kalas among the 144 families surveyed for the purpose. Hence the compiler is not responsible in even verifying the basic facts of caste, Gotra etc even as Sindhis; in spite of being Muslim yet away from Pakistan? Q2 What is the current situation of Brahmins in India? Goutham and Gopalakrishnan writes Karnataka as a peaceful place for brahmins as evident from the extracted context below; and Mr Gopala also says that hatred of brahmin in TN is exaggerated : G from Quora: I cannot tell for the entire country, but definitely the situation of Brahmins in Karnataka is definitely good and I really thank all Kannadigas from bottom of my heart for this G the compiler: My note-I am settled in Chennai for more than 19 years now . I am highly respected like other Brahmins in the area. Both Iyers and Iyengar lives in Harmony. Nanganallur, Mylapore etc areas have more Brahmins. There are a lot of DMK people in our area. They respect me and other Brahmins very well. Most of them visit temples. I think the term disrespect by DMK to Brahmins is exaggerated. KR: 1 *Brahmin community ..Read more at: feb 2023 TOI http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/97788078.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/97788078.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst>* 2 Demystifying the 'superior' status of Brahmins… Dr Pingali Gopal Hans News Service | 3 Oct 2021 4:00 AM IST x Demystifying the ‘superior’ status of Brahmins HIGHLIGHTS Further to the article on Brahmin Welfare Corporations on the editorial page (THI, October 1), it is unfortunate that Brahmins have faced a strong antipathy for centuries. Further to the article on Brahmin Welfare Corporations on the editorial page (THI, October 1), it is unfortunate that Brahmins have faced a strong antipathy for centuries. The basic Brahminical account standing rock like from 17th century European narratives to present day 'scientific' explanations is this: 'As a priesthood, the Brahmins mediate between the devotees and their deities by sacrificial rituals. They are the creators of a four-tiered hierarchy of classes, assigning the highest status to their own priestly class and the lowest to the Sudra or servant class. Traditionally, the learned Brahmin is the recipient of many privileges. Lacking military prowess and political-economic power, the minority Brahmins drew on their ritual status to seek a special alliance with the warrior-ruler class. They reduced the lower castes to a state of subjugation by imposing many restrictions like denying access to the Vedas and treating them as impure or untouchable, and preventing upward mobility between castes.' Our textbooks describe the Brahmins as oppressors, exploiters, and creators of the caste system. The Left- influenced academia with their theories of exploiter and the exploited, the missionaries, and the brainwashed intellectuals continued the British story post-independence. Brahmins were neither rich nor powerful at any point of time in history. The present social sciences just build up data to show the validity of previous truths; rarely, do they turn back to reflect that these narratives could be false too. Dharampal (The Beautiful Tree) deconstructs the popular idea that education was the exclusive domain of high caste Brahmins, who denied education to others, based on reports commissioned by the British themselves. Brahmin welfare: TS is role model for country A survey from 1822 to 1825 in the Madras Presidency showed that the predominant castes in schools were the Sudras. In the Tamil areas, the composition of the school going children was forward castes, 13-23 per cent; Muslims, 3-10 per cent; and Sudras and other castes, 70-84 per cent. In Malabar areas, the forward castes were 20 per cent, Muslims 27 per cent, and Sudras about 50 per cent. Another report in 1825 showed that out of 1,88,680 scholars in Madras Presidency, Brahmins were 23 per cent and Sudras 45 per cent. In Telugu areas, Brahmins were between 24-46 per cent, and Sudras between 35-41 per cent. This is a problem for British historiography because the literacy rate when they left India was about 12 per cent. It was not the outcome of the forward castes 'denying' others the access to education but the replacement of the traditional and classical education system by the Anglicised education. Many thousands of Brahmins lost their lives in the Islamic invasions and the Goan Inquisitions as they were the primary target of the ire of the invaders. Francis Xavier made his position clear when he wrote to the king of Portugal, his patron, 'If there were no Brahmins, all pagans would be converted to our faith', calling them the 'most perverse people.' In many feudalistic excesses, many non-Brahmin communities as land owners were responsible for oppression of the deprived. Somehow, our social sciences ensured that Brahmins became the prime villains in society. Meenakshi Jain writes that Brahmins were prominent in the freedom movement confirming the worst British suspicions of the community. Even though for centuries Brahmins and non-Brahmins had been active political and social partners, the fissures grew by the machinations of the British. Some British observers like Colebrooke concede that there was little difference in the condition of the Brahmin and the rest of the native population. The British census operations, especially that of Risley (1901), were determined to show race as the basis for the caste-system. The British census operations destroyed the flexible jati-varna system and raised caste consciousness to a feverish pitch, inciting animosities, and a general hardening of the system. Caste consequently became a tool in the political, religious, and cultural battles. Post-independence, many studies have shown Brahmins to be in a continuous downward spiral mode. Land holdings have reduced. Traditional occupations like family and temple priesthood, recitation of the Vedas and practice of Ayurvedic medicine no longer prove remunerative nor command respect. A few decades back (1978), the Karnataka state finance minister stated the per capita income of various communities: Christians 1,562; Vokkaligas Rs 914; Muslims Rs 794; Scheduled castes Rs 680; Scheduled Tribes Rs 577; and Brahmins Rs 537. One study in the previous united Andhra Pradesh showed 55 per cent of them living below the poverty line, 10 per cent higher than other groups. The unemployment rate among them was as high as 75 per cent. Such is the deep antipathy to Brahmin community that despite consisting of hundreds of jatis, with no uniform rules of living and social interaction, a success is a result of 'privilege' and individual faults project to the whole community across the length and breadth of the country. Academia, media, NGO activists, and intellectuals project the Shramana (Buddhism and Jainism) and Bhakti movements as egalitarian anti-caste revolts carrying a 'millennial-long' conflict with Brahmanism and the 'tyranny of caste.' This hypothesis places Buddha (Martin Luther of India) as the first reformer opposing corrupted Brahmanas and preaching the equality of man. Scholars have shown that Buddhists neither rejected Brahmanas nor did they fight against the 'caste system'. Buddha and Buddhists considered varna divisions to be an appropriate dharmic grouping of society. Buddhism was just another tradition in the Hindu land where new traditions, sects, and gurus evolve all the time showing many paths to the final enlightenment. Unbroken, this narrative about the wily Brahmins continues prominently in introductory works, encyclopaedia entries, and other sources as elementary facts about Indian culture and religion. The Balagangadhara school shows that Christian-theological ideas concerning heathen priesthood and idolatry; Aryan racial notions of biological and cultural superiority and inferiority; and anthropological speculations about 'primitive man' and his 'magical thinking' explained the role of Brahmins in Indian society till about three decades back. These concepts, crucial to the speculations about the Brahmin priesthood rise, reflected Protestant and philosophical critique of priesthood pervading 18th- and 19th-century Europe. Imre Lakatos, 20th-century philosopher of science, characterised every research programme as having three elements: a 'hard core' of basic theses and assumptions; a 'protective belt' of auxiliary hypotheses surrounding this core; and a 'heuristic' or problem-solving machinery. The protective belt allows it to cope with the problems by immunizing its hard core against falsification. Jakob De Roover says that the basic assumptions about the religion of the Brahmin are part of this program's hard core, whereas the claims concerning the Aryan invasion, racial superiority, magical thinking, and the varna ideology are part of its protective belt. The British attacked Brahmins for many reasons, but it is sad that our politicians, social sciences, and society failed to look beyond what the colonials said even after seven decades of independence. https://www.thehansindia.com/hans/opinion/news-analysis/demystifying-the-superior-status-of-brahmins-709265 3 Of Karnataka's population, Lingayats constitute about 17 percent, Vokkaligas 15 percent, OBCs 35 percent, SC/STs 18 percent, Muslims about 12.92 percent and Brahmins about three per cent. And Brahmins 3% had to compete along with many forward communities including Muslim, for 10% quota. 4 In the year 1992, the Supreme Court delivered its judgment in the Indira Sawhney and others versus the Union of India and Others. The apex court held that the total reservations under Article 16(4) should not exceed 50 per cent. Article 16(4) states, “Nothing in this article shall prevent the State from making any provision for the reservation of appointments or posts in favour of any backward class of citizens which, in the opinion of the State, is not adequately represented in the services under the State.” Now, the state of Tamil Nadu government had 69 percent reservation — Backward Classes 26.5 per cent, Most Backward Classes/Denotified Communities 20 per cent, BC Muslims 3.5 per cent, Scheduled Castes 18 per cent and Scheduled Tribes (1 percent). Also included under schedule 9. Let the compiler say that is there any place where Brahmins are being beaten daily NO. That is not the right observation “I am respected”. Can Brahmin live comfortably gaining as equal in getting his needs on merits anywhere in Karnataka and Tamil Nadu? If so, why are people in the Brahmin community living in far off places especially from AP, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu? I know Stalin fairly well; Just before the death of Arurdas film script older, Stalin came to Meet him; and there were hullabaloo all over; As Arur told Stalin about me ( as he knew me only as residing at Nungambakkam) , he expressed his surprise and came down to my flat had small talk and went away ; all 15 minutes total time. It does not mean Brahmins are well off. K Rajaram IRS 26424 On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 at 08:30, 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < [email protected]> wrote: > *CULTURAL QA 04-2024-26A* > > *All the BELOW QA are from Quora digest to me on 26-04-2024.* > > * Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers * > > *.Compiled **and posted by R. Gopala krishnan, on 26-04-2024* > > *Q1 Are Sindhis baniye?* > > *A1 Siddhant Pamnani ,Works at NASCAR6y* > > *All the Hindu Sindhis left their caste system when they started their > lives from scratch in the new land. No Brahmins, Kshatriya, Vaishya. Only > Sindhis.* > > *But before Partition. Amils and Bhaibands formed the majority of the > population followed by Rajputs. A Sindhi Baniya is something i haven’t > heard in a long long time.* > > *Q2 What is the current situation of Brahmins in India?* > > *A2 Goutham R,Lives in Bengaluru, Karnataka, India 5y* > > *I am a Kannada speaking Smartha Brahmin from Karnataka. Our native is > Mysuru, currently living in Bengaluru. My answer is strictly from > Karnataka's perspective. I have many Brahmin friends from all parts of > Karnataka like coastal, North West and North East. To be very honest and > frank, there is NO BRAHMIN BASHING OR HATRED at all in Karnataka. I have > always felt this and I got the same opinion from my friends also.* > > *I am very proud of my state and my state's people for this reason. There > is no history of Anti-Brahmin movement here at all even when the same > happened in our neighbouring states like Tamil Nadu and Maharashtra. That > effect could be felt in our state. We know many Tamil Brahmins settled in > Bengaluru, Mysuru region who migrated from TN during Dravidian movement. In > fact Malleshwaram area was created for this purpose only. Even today the > area has significant Iyer/Iyengars population. There are many like that in > Mysuru too who settled there because of Wodeyar's rule.* > > *There are absolutely no community or groups or even political parties in > Karnataka which spreads venom against Brahmins. All live peacefully here. > It reminds a line from our state anthem written by Kuvempu 'sarvajanangada > shantiya toTa', which means Karnataka is a peaceful garden for every > community/religion.* > > *There was never a history of hate speeches against Brahmins by any > political parties, nobody says anything bad in any speech or election > rallies too. There are vey, very few exceptions, but nobody takes them > seriously. We can see both politicians and people from all communities > visiting various Brahmins Mathas like Sringeri, Udupi, Mantralaya, Melukote > etc. Nobody has any reservation. This is the level of acceptance and > tolerance here. Also since reservation in KA is less than 50%, situation is > a lot better here compared to few states which has reservation upto 60 or > 70%. Here there is no such ecosystem where Brahmins are targeted. They are > not targeted in schools/colleges/universities/offices etc. They are > respected like any other individual or community.* > > *I am extremely proud to say that no caste/community targets or abuses > Brahmins and vice versa is also true. Brahmins also don't dominate here. > Domination is no way good to the society, co-existence and mutual harmony > is what is important and that can be found in Karnataka.* > > *This is the reason why Kannada Brahmins never migrated out of state. Only > few families migrated to TN after the downfall of Vijayanagara empire, but > that was a completely different scenario. But the reverse can be felt very > easily. Karnataka has a large presence of Tamil, Telugu, Konkani, Marathi > Brahmins who had migrated in different timelines. Because of this, > Karnataka has the highest Brahmins population in South India.* > > *Here Brahmins also worked for larger good of society instead of creating > hierarchies. Also they were rooted to the idea of Kannada, Kanandiga and > Karnataka as much as to the idea of Bharata. This found acceptance from > other Kannadigas too, as even they thought in the same way.* > > *I cannot tell for the entire country, but definitely the situation of > Brahmins in Karnataka is definitely good and I really thank all Kannadigas > from bottom of my heart for this. Of course there are poor, middle class > and rich people like in any other community, but there was no hatred which > was targeted at them. Karnataka is blessed to have such people who know to > live peacefully.* > > *My note-I am settled in Chennai for more than 19** years now . I am > highly respected like other Brahmins in the area. Both Iyers and Iyengar > lives in Harmony. Nanganallur, Mylapore etc areas have more Brahmins. There > are a lot of DMK people in our area. They respect me and other Brahmins > very well. Most of them visit temples. I think the term disrespect by DMK > to Brahmins is exaggerated. * > > > > *Q3 What are some absent-minded things we all do?* > > *A3 Gopalkrishna Vishwanath, Lived 69 years so far. No regrets. > Look forward to the best years now. Feb 23* > > > > *At a petrol pump, the customers queued up in a line waiting for their > turn.* > > *A young girl was one among them.The pump attendant stared at her and > smiled.* > > *The girl was puzzled but she smiled back.* > > *When it was her turn, the attendant told her “Sister, you need to charge > your scooter, Petrol won’t work. You forgot that you are no longer riding a > petrol driven scooter.* > > *Q4 What are some of the greatest examples of presence of mind?* > > *A4 Senthamil Paavai, Not so aged to give a piece of advice > Updated 6y* > > *CN Annadurai Late CM of Tamilnadu went to Yale university to deliver a > speech.* > > *Based on his looks, a native English speaking man thought of testing his > English speaking skills.* > > *He, ”Can you construct a sentence in English by using because three times > in it?”* > > *Our Anna replied instantly,”No sentence ends in because ,because, because > is a conjunction”.* > > > > *The English man was exclaimed as our Anna not only used because 3 times > but also used it consecutively thrice.* > > *He is none other than C.N.Annadurai who is the first C.M of Tamilnadu > State(Before it was called State of Madras).* > > *He is known for his oratory skills and knowledge.* > > *Source: Birthday Special: 10 facts to know about great Tamil icon C.N. > Annadurai* > > *Q5 Can you tell a good humor?* > > *A5 Lynda Clarke,Apr 20* > > *An American-Indian walks into a saloon with a shotgun in one hand and a > 10-litre bucket of manure in the other:* > > *The Indian says to the bartender, "Me want Lager!"* > > *The bartender says, "Sure, Chief, coming right up." He then serves the > Indian a tall glass of Tennents Lager. The Indian drinks it down in one > gulp, picks up the bucket, throws the manure into the air and blasts it > with the shotgun. He then walks out.* > > *Five days later, the Indian returns:* > > *He has his shotgun in one hand and another bucket of manure in the > other.He struts up to the bar and tells the bartender:* > > * “Me want beer!"The bartender says, "Whoa there Chief, we're still > cleaning up from the last time you were here... What was that all about > anyway?" he asked.* > > *The Indian explained, "Me training for job as politician. Drink beer, > shoot the shit, disappear for a few days come back and see if somebody else > has cleaned up the mess me left behind....."* > > *My note- Please consider it in the proper sense of humor.* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1433316354.2661956.1714138236312%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/1433316354.2661956.1714138236312%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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