what else you can do? Because of your reference search only I am able to
find so many errors and write authentically  KR IRS

On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 20:03, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sir,
>
> It is English professor and Sanskrit professor. Perhaps Again you will
> quote references  justifying english and sanskrit are correct. Similarly it
> is not i scan, I should be capital referring to you. Similarly not hindi,
> but Hindi.
>
> First check your responses before you post. I do so in Google and Yahoo
> mails using language editor. As I know it is potta kannan and not pottai
> kannan.
>
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 10:23:11 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I have forwarded your MANNAR AND CO (KALYANA PARISU JOKE  NAMMA MANNAR AND
> CO) WRITE UPto show what is the level of your ignorance to compare
> potty and rig vedam, and so many vedic texts; and still clinging to
> establish your ignorance pithru; I had written the grammar also. Pithru is
> pithy even today; Pita is pita; Pitu is pitu even today; and the root word
> is Pith. Putran emanated from that; Puth -hell word from that . As I
> tell you if you are finished , keep mum. Do not feign as an
> english professor sanskrit professor as you do not know anything or else at
> 80 you won't write Hanuman has a son etc. I never defend myself as I have a
> reasonable sanskrit background and know how also; never I feign like you.
> You thought you were clever and thinking it as AVAL hit the worrell; now
> faded away; writes some nonsense. Like that I can cite 400 verses ; only 4
> I took to distinguish with grammar. I have a long passage on ETYMOLOGY OF
> SANSKRIT GRAMMAR BOOK sHALL i SCAN YOU AND SEND TO START LEARNING ALPHABETS
> IN SANSKRIT? hINDI KNOWING IS NOT SANSKRIT KNOWLEDGE; INCIDENTALLY pEETHA
> IN HINDI CAME PITU PITA FEED DRINK PROTECT ETC  dONT SHOW OUT YOUR AND
> YOUR JALRA FACE; ALL KNEW YOUR SANSKRIT KNOWLEDGE from pottai. FYI:  (even
> word pottai without knowledge you wrote) In Tamil, the word "pottai" used
> to indicate something defective, not skilled etc.. Sometimes the left hand
> is referred to as pottai kai (hand). A defective eye (blind) is denoted as
> pottai kannu (eye). And the female is also denoted as pottai pillai
> (child). A coward is also denoted as pottai payal (guy). Female of animal
> species is referred to as pottai (as in pettai kozhi - hen). To be a female
> has been denoted as defective, imperfect, weak, useless etc. in Tamil.
> This word is still in use in TN  Thank you body apply medicine for bleeding
> nose. KR IRS 2524
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *gopala krishnan* <[email protected]>
> Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 at 10:51
> Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] PITHU GOTRA part 1 2524
> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha <
> [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>,
> Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>, APS Mani <[email protected]>,
> Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma <
> [email protected]>, [email protected] <
> [email protected]>, N Sekar <[email protected]>, Venkat Raman <
> [email protected]>
>
>
> By centuries  and by decades many changes have come in using any language.
> At one time a female girl was called  as "pottai" in Tamilnadu villages. Do
> we call so now? . In Kerala it was common to call wife as achhi and husband
> as Nair. I don't think  even in a rural village such words are used now.
>
> As I understand for decades the dead persons are referred and called
> pithru in Sanskrit. In all our Vedic mantras they are pithrus. During
> srardha even my father recited in manthras       as Pithru.
> I have never seen a sasthrikal reciting as a Sanskrit mantra with Pitu in
> place of Pithru.
>
> There may be one time books where pithru is also told as pitu as Mr
> Rajaram referred. But it does not mean in the current decades instead of
> pithru, pithu is used.
>
> It is a pity, to justify his typo, Mr Rajaram refer to books where pitu is
> used.  So in future when sasthrikal recite mantras during the srardha of
> his late  father, Mr Rajaram will correct pithru as pitu  refering the
> bookshe quoted  and advise sasthrikal in future to use pitu instead of
> pithru. Kashtam.
>
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 08:21:06 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Agreed Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji
>
> Let the BASTARD rot in his own shit
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2 May, 2024, 7:45 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> *1    pituṃ* < *pitum* < *pitu*
>
> [noun], accusative, singular, masculine
>
> “food.”
>
> पितुं नु स्तोषं महो धर्माणं तविषीम् । यस्य त्रितो व्योजसा वृत्रं
> विपर्वमर्दयत् ॥
>
> pituṃ nu stoṣam maho dharmāṇaṃ taviṣīm | yasya trito vy ojasā vṛtraṃ
> viparvam ardayat ||RV
>
> “I glorify Pitu, the great, the upholder, the strong, by whose
> invigorating power Trita slew themutilated Vṛtra.”
>
> Commentary by Sāyaṇa: Ṛgveda-bhāṣya
>
> Anna-devatā = anna, the divinity presidingover food, or merely food;
>
> Pitu = pālakam, that which nourishes;
>
> 2      verse 3  Sanatkumara samhita
>
> कृष्ण-मन्त्रा मया लब्धा सरस्-तोये पितुः परे
> ते सर्वे साधिता यत्नान् मन्त्र-राजाद्यो मया
>
> *kṛṣṇa-mantrā mayā labdhā saras-toye pituḥ pare*
> *te sarve sādhitā yatnān mantra-rājādyo mayā*
>
> *kṛṣṇa <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/krishna#purana>-mantrāḥ—*
>  Kṛṣṇa-mantras <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mantra#purana>;* mayā
> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/maya#purana>—*by me;* labdhā—*
> obtained;* saras <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/sara#purana>-toye—*by
> the water's edge;* pituḥ—*of the father;* pare—*others;* te—*they;
> * sarve—*all;* sādhitāḥ
> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/sadhita#purana>—*attained;* yatnāt—*by
> effort;* mantra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mantra#purana>-*
> *rājādyaḥ—*beginning with the king of mantras;* mayā—*by me.
>
> . . . from my father I carefully learned the king of mantras and many
> other Kṛṣṇa-mantras as we sat by the water.
>
> 4    Verse 3.221 Manu smrithi
>
> पिता यस्य निवृत्तः स्याज् जीवेच्चापि पितामहः ।
> पितुः स नाम सङ्कीर्त्य कीर्तयेत् प्रपितामहम् ॥ २२१ ॥
>
> *pitā** yasya nivṛttaḥ syāj jīveccāpi pitāmahaḥ* |
> *pituḥ sa nāma saṅkīrtya kīrtayet prapitāmaham* || 221 ||
>
> He whose father is dead, but grandfather is living, should mention the
> great-grandfather after having pronounced the name of the father.—(221)
>
>  KR     Mr Gopalakrishnan wants to justify some how that he is in level
> and he is harmless; already I wrote to him, that we other than the three
> mosquitoes, we do not bother about anything but read and pass through; but
> it was the act of Gopalakrishnan his high pedestal observations of my
> English and followed by the other one and plus ,which prompted me to index
> their follies; now he himself turns the table and also adds that mistakes
> are common etc, like devils ’preaching the script; and where was his brain
> then?
>
>      And I shall point out content errors always I feel all are
> responsible their writing which may stay for millennium to come and we are
> answerable to the posterity. So Gopalakrishnan who does not do any home
> work, but only dries his tail as others, miss a lot which I point out and I
> am least bothered about his English and am not soared about his Malayalam
> too.
>
>       Now those who had read would have understood who is hasty by this
> time; Gopalakrishnan as usual, slipped into the well; Pitru, Pitu and
> pita are all genetic root words in Sanskrit, having several meanings and
> used only in some context; Pitru is sradham concerned as shown in (4)
> above, pita is handled nicely by Manu. Pitu is used in Rig Vedam (1) and
> sanat samhita reflects its meaning also. GOTRA is only for LIVE and in
> sradham generation alone that matters than the gotra; Gotra is for alive
> mainly, as well as, important from PITA angle; and Pitu is version of Pita
> as well as feed as food as seen above. PITU GOTRA is not a slip, as
> visioned by Gopalakrishnan, but GOTRA fed in connection with father being
> narrated. Thank you NB   Before finding fault learn sir.
>
> K Rajaram IRS  2524
>
> NB2    I am not finding fault in your Q and A; You are writing
> misinformation mainly misleading readers to believe as you wrote; for
> example among so many immediately I do remember is your line of Mount
> Everest is not the tallest mountain; THAAT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE VERIFIED; it
> is very old data where Kilimanjaro from its plateau  sea level though only
> 15000 ft appeared to be taller; but Himalaya is measured 29000 feet from
> its foot hill. So you always write misinformation only as you want to
> reflect your superiority and you err always like PITU , wants to present
> yourself in better light. No hard feelings; Compiler means not copy and
> paste anything; it is reading, thinking. analysing. fixing error and write
> the genuine facts. But what you do is CP of some kids who are right in
> their view but you are 80+ and so without knowing much shall refrain from
> anything which u dont understand and shall not pretend. ask your retd
> canteen worker from jumping.
>
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:10, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Mr Rajaram,
>
> You are *hurried* and never see what you have typed before posting. You
> have typed instead of pithrugothra, pithu gothra. It is the 3rd time you
> commit these types of mistakes.
>
> It is not a big mistake, but can be termed as typo error,
> *if you are not finding fault with ME  for a compiled QA, even questioning
> what is compilation and finding fault with each and every thing posted by
> me. *
>
> *Please note mistakes can be made by all, and  all others are having
> caliber equal to you  if not above you.*
>
>
> I request not to abuse me for this mail with your usual abuse thevidiya
> payalae ( prostititutes's son) or muttal  or bastard etc.
>
>
> *Gopalakrishnan*
>
> On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 07:57:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> PITHUS GOTRAS
>
>      The word Gotra comes from the Sanskrit Gau, cow and Trahi, a shed or
> stable. Translated literally, Gotra means ‘cowshed’ or ‘cow pen’ but the
> term has several connotations across Vedic literature. One of the earliest
> instances of ‘Gotra’ being used to denote paternal lineage appears around 1000
> BCE in the Atharva Veda, a sacred Hindu text, where the word is used to
> refer to ‘clans’ or ‘groups’ descended from a common paternal ancestor.
> Subsequently, the Chandogya Upanishad, another Hindu text , defines a
> Gotra as a mechanism through which the paternal lineage of an individual
> could be traced and identified while according to ancient Sanskrit
> linguist Panini, in his Ashtadhyayi, the term is equated with the word
> ‘progeny’. Ancient Hindu scriptures such as the Upanishads and the
> Rigveda outline the conception and evolution of the Brahminical Gotric
> system. These texts posit that ‘Gotras’ emerged initially as a uniquely
> Brahminical concept; a marker of the paternal lineage of individuals within
> the caste. All the details would go to show that GOTRA was less known in
> three Vedas including Rig Vedam but assumed importance only later from the
> generations passed off. However the generic Engineering started long ago
> than the DNA of the west; though X and Y were not mentioned in the Vedic
> period, MALE PROGENY was considered important for the increase in the
> population. But that provoked a wrong sense of minds among the males within
> 500 years, to torture the women. Even though Manusmrithi and Parasara and
> other smritis and Grahya sutrams, have clauses , demeaning the women clan,
> equally it should be considered, that even the male 4 varnas and especially
> the Brahmin varna, are being looked own; that shows, while viewing the
> broad spectrum of the goodness of the humanity, equally the bad elements
> were viewed so drastically, requisitioning reasonable punishments also. As
> a matter of fact Vedic constitution would punish the higher in clans
> severely than the lower ones. Hence Gotras which started only with the 8
> Rishis started expanding as populations and Regions increased, ; started
> from Brahmin community to spread all over to all varnas of all the regions;
> now unaccountable Gotras; more the division among the varnas, more gotras;
> even the last varna adopted general Gotras. Then the PRAVARAS are seen
> which is the generations within the Rishi Gotra clan. That PRAVARA s gave
> vent to many more Gotras. Then the SAKA and the SUTRAs.
>
> II   Now therefore we shall explain the Pravaras.
>
>       We shall here explain Baudhayana section in accordance with the
> views of the commentary called the *Amala-bhāŞya*.
>
>     (In the Śrauta Sūtra) the four types of *Śrauta sacrifice have been
> explained*, viz. *iŞṭi, soma*, animal, and *darvīhoma* sacrifices,
> beginning with the New- and Full-Moon Sacrifices and ending with the
> Sattras; and the choosing of the *ārŞeya* has been prescribed as a part
> of these rites. Thus, in the *Taittirīyas*, in the New- and Full-Moon
> Sacrifices: ‘He chooses the one connected with the *ṛŞis (ārŞeyam)*;’ he
> does not indeed depart from the relationship (with the ṛŞis), and so it
> conduces to continuity. He chooses from the remote end the nearer ones; 
> therefore,
> the Fathers, from the remote end the nearer ones, drink in order before
> men.’ So, too, the Brāhmana-passage of the Vājasaneyins which prescribes
> the ‘choosing of the *ṛŞi*-formula’ (*ārseyavaranam*) in the New- and
> Full-Moon Sacrifices:
>
>      ‘Next he recites the pravara of *ṛŞi* -names; he thus makes him
> known in this matter to the *ṛŞis* and to the gods, with the thought, “Of
> great power is he who obtained the sacrifice”. It is for this reason that
> he recites the pravara of *ṛŞi*-names. He recites the pravara from the
> remote end hitherwards, for from the remote end hitherwards *a lineage is
> propagated.* He thus also conceals him from (the wrath of) the Lord of
> the Elder One. For here (among men) the father comes first, then the son,
> then the grandson. Therefore, he recites the pravara from the remote end
> hitherwards.’ So, too, one may quote elsewhere, *Śākhā* by *Śākhā*. Thus
> certain subordinate sacrificial directions are given in the matter of
> gotras, as:
>
>    ‘In the case of VasiŞṭhas and Rajanyas the concluding verse (of the
> Samidhenīs) is  “Thou, O Varuna”, but “Pour ye the oblation” in the case of
> the other gotras.’ is “Thou, O Varuna”, but “Pour ye the oblation” in the
> case of the other gotras.’ Thus Pravaras are from 2 to 19 withing the
> marked lists of each Gotra Rishi as shown below as extracted:
>
>
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
> [image: image.png]
>
> CHAPTER 7
>
> Baudhāyana    WE shall explain the one-ra ‘Vasisthas’:
>
> Vaikalir       Vārātakih      Sākhalā      Gaurisravasa       Asvalāyanāh
>
> Kapisthalāh   Saucivrksā   Vyāghrapādo  Vāhyakāyanir   Vātavyā
>
> [gāyani            nayāptā]     ātukarnyā     Audulomih     Kaubhojih
>
> Kaulāyanāh     Sundaraharitāh    Kāntheviddhih   Saumanasāyanā
>
> Alambhāyanā     Laumāyanyā       Svastyā    ārsitāhPārnakāyanās
> Caudakāyanāh   Pārnavalko          Devanā
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> II A        Ksatriyas have a three-ra (pravara), ‘Manava, Aida,
> Paururavasa’ for the Hotr, ‘like Pururavas,
>
>  Ida, Manu’, for the Adhvaryu.
>
> IIB      Vaisyas have a three-ra pravara,
>
> ‘Bhalandana, Vatsapra, Mankila’ for the Hotr,‘like Mankila,
>
>  Vatsapri, Bhalandana’ for the Adhvaryu.
>
> II  C    Apastamba
>
> Next, of Kshatriyas.
>
> If they recite their own, they have the one pravara, ‘Manava, Aida,
> Paururavasa’, etc.
>
> Those who do not have hymn-composers should make the recitation with their
> purohit’s pravara; those who have hymn composers should do without their
> purohit’s pravara. (But the correct view is that these also) should use
> their purohit’s pravara, because of the logical argument. Vaisyas have a
> one-ra pravara,‘Vatsapra’ for the Hotr,‘like Vatsapri’ for the Adhvaryu.
>
> II D    Kdtydyana and Laugdksi
>
> [Kings have their purohit’s pravara; with this too the pravara of Vaisyas
> is explained. If he should recite with ra-names he should say: ‘Manava,
> Aila, Paururavasa.’]
>
> II  E   Asvaldyana
>
> Kings have their purohit’s pravara; if they should make the pravarare
> citation with rsis, ‘Manava, Aila, Paururavasa’.
>
> II F   Purusottama comments:
>
> ‘With rsis’ (sdrsam) means ‘with .ra-names’ (sahdrseyam). (Here follows
> Purusottama's comment on the Apastamba rule):
>
> Here, there are two kinds of Ksatriyas: some have hymn-composers, and some
> do not. Those who have should recite their own (pravara), those who do not,
> the pravara of their purohita; having laid down these two prima facie
> views, he gives as the correct view (*siddhanta*) that all Ksatriyas
> should recite only the pravara of their purohitas—‘because of the logical
> argument’. Now what logical argument is meant? First, all Kshatriyas have
> purohit, and without them they have no admittance to sacrificial rites, as
> is seen from the etymology of purohita, ‘being placed in front of him, he
> leads him in all matters’ and on the view that all Kshatriyas should recite
> their own pravara, the result would be that there could be no intermarriage
> among them, since they would all have the same pravara. Now a man whose
> family connections are not known should proclaim himself the descendant of
> his teacher, and he recites his teacher's pravara.’
>
> IIG        Here, ‘family connections’ means gotra or pravara: the man who
> does not know this accurately is ‘one whose family connections are not
> known’, e.g. Satyakama, etc. Thus, Satyakama Jabala, having requested the
> teacher Gautama for admission as a pupil, and having been received into
> Gautama's protection, was asked by the latter: ‘Of what gotra are you,
> friend?’ And he replied: ‘Sir, I do not know what gotra I belong to.’ A
> man, therefore, who in this fashion is ignorant of his family connections
> should proclaim himself the descendant of his teacher, i.e. he should
> proclaim his teacher's gotra, or his pravara, in due order. ‘He recites his
> teacher's pravara’—this means the same thing.
>
> But it is objected: ‘Is this not prohibited by scriptural passages such as
> “if a man recites the *drseya* of another, that *rsi* takes the sacrifice
> and the enjoyment”?’
>
> No: since the sonship of a pupil is best, surpassing even a son of one's
> own body. As Apastamba says: ‘Thus the teacher piles up precepts of
> virtue for him, he never harms him; for from knowledge, he begets him. That
> is the best birth; father and mother beget merely the body.’ And Baudhayana
> says: ‘Those whom he begets, those whom he initiates, those whom he
> teaches, those for whom he sacrifices–all those become his sons.’ And since
> this is so, pupils do not marry within the gotras of their teachers,
> because of having the same gotra and pravara.
>
>       KR      THUS THE DNA NATURE IN GOTRAS OF MANY ARE LOST.  Then Gotra
> is exactly can be interpreted as not a Genetic also.
>
> (TO BE CONTD PART 1  1524  K RAJARAM IRS )
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