what else you can do? Because of your reference search only I am able to find so many errors and write authentically KR IRS
On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 20:03, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > It is English professor and Sanskrit professor. Perhaps Again you will > quote references justifying english and sanskrit are correct. Similarly it > is not i scan, I should be capital referring to you. Similarly not hindi, > but Hindi. > > First check your responses before you post. I do so in Google and Yahoo > mails using language editor. As I know it is potta kannan and not pottai > kannan. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 10:23:11 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I have forwarded your MANNAR AND CO (KALYANA PARISU JOKE NAMMA MANNAR AND > CO) WRITE UPto show what is the level of your ignorance to compare > potty and rig vedam, and so many vedic texts; and still clinging to > establish your ignorance pithru; I had written the grammar also. Pithru is > pithy even today; Pita is pita; Pitu is pitu even today; and the root word > is Pith. Putran emanated from that; Puth -hell word from that . As I > tell you if you are finished , keep mum. Do not feign as an > english professor sanskrit professor as you do not know anything or else at > 80 you won't write Hanuman has a son etc. I never defend myself as I have a > reasonable sanskrit background and know how also; never I feign like you. > You thought you were clever and thinking it as AVAL hit the worrell; now > faded away; writes some nonsense. Like that I can cite 400 verses ; only 4 > I took to distinguish with grammar. I have a long passage on ETYMOLOGY OF > SANSKRIT GRAMMAR BOOK sHALL i SCAN YOU AND SEND TO START LEARNING ALPHABETS > IN SANSKRIT? hINDI KNOWING IS NOT SANSKRIT KNOWLEDGE; INCIDENTALLY pEETHA > IN HINDI CAME PITU PITA FEED DRINK PROTECT ETC dONT SHOW OUT YOUR AND > YOUR JALRA FACE; ALL KNEW YOUR SANSKRIT KNOWLEDGE from pottai. FYI: (even > word pottai without knowledge you wrote) In Tamil, the word "pottai" used > to indicate something defective, not skilled etc.. Sometimes the left hand > is referred to as pottai kai (hand). A defective eye (blind) is denoted as > pottai kannu (eye). And the female is also denoted as pottai pillai > (child). A coward is also denoted as pottai payal (guy). Female of animal > species is referred to as pottai (as in pettai kozhi - hen). To be a female > has been denoted as defective, imperfect, weak, useless etc. in Tamil. > This word is still in use in TN Thank you body apply medicine for bleeding > nose. KR IRS 2524 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *gopala krishnan* <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 at 10:51 > Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: [KeralaIyers] PITHU GOTRA part 1 2524 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha < > [email protected]>, Kerala Iyer <[email protected]>, > Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>, APS Mani <[email protected]>, > Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>, Laxminarayan Sarma < > [email protected]>, [email protected] < > [email protected]>, N Sekar <[email protected]>, Venkat Raman < > [email protected]> > > > By centuries and by decades many changes have come in using any language. > At one time a female girl was called as "pottai" in Tamilnadu villages. Do > we call so now? . In Kerala it was common to call wife as achhi and husband > as Nair. I don't think even in a rural village such words are used now. > > As I understand for decades the dead persons are referred and called > pithru in Sanskrit. In all our Vedic mantras they are pithrus. During > srardha even my father recited in manthras as Pithru. > I have never seen a sasthrikal reciting as a Sanskrit mantra with Pitu in > place of Pithru. > > There may be one time books where pithru is also told as pitu as Mr > Rajaram referred. But it does not mean in the current decades instead of > pithru, pithu is used. > > It is a pity, to justify his typo, Mr Rajaram refer to books where pitu is > used. So in future when sasthrikal recite mantras during the srardha of > his late father, Mr Rajaram will correct pithru as pitu refering the > bookshe quoted and advise sasthrikal in future to use pitu instead of > pithru. Kashtam. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 08:21:06 pm IST, Laxminarayan Sarma < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Agreed Shri Gopalakrishnan-ji > > Let the BASTARD rot in his own shit > > > > On Thu, 2 May, 2024, 7:45 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > *1 pituṃ* < *pitum* < *pitu* > > [noun], accusative, singular, masculine > > “food.” > > पितुं नु स्तोषं महो धर्माणं तविषीम् । यस्य त्रितो व्योजसा वृत्रं > विपर्वमर्दयत् ॥ > > pituṃ nu stoṣam maho dharmāṇaṃ taviṣīm | yasya trito vy ojasā vṛtraṃ > viparvam ardayat ||RV > > “I glorify Pitu, the great, the upholder, the strong, by whose > invigorating power Trita slew themutilated Vṛtra.” > > Commentary by Sāyaṇa: Ṛgveda-bhāṣya > > Anna-devatā = anna, the divinity presidingover food, or merely food; > > Pitu = pālakam, that which nourishes; > > 2 verse 3 Sanatkumara samhita > > कृष्ण-मन्त्रा मया लब्धा सरस्-तोये पितुः परे > ते सर्वे साधिता यत्नान् मन्त्र-राजाद्यो मया > > *kṛṣṇa-mantrā mayā labdhā saras-toye pituḥ pare* > *te sarve sādhitā yatnān mantra-rājādyo mayā* > > *kṛṣṇa <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/krishna#purana>-mantrāḥ—* > Kṛṣṇa-mantras <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mantra#purana>;* mayā > <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/maya#purana>—*by me;* labdhā—* > obtained;* saras <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/sara#purana>-toye—*by > the water's edge;* pituḥ—*of the father;* pare—*others;* te—*they; > * sarve—*all;* sādhitāḥ > <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/sadhita#purana>—*attained;* yatnāt—*by > effort;* mantra <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mantra#purana>-* > *rājādyaḥ—*beginning with the king of mantras;* mayā—*by me. > > . . . from my father I carefully learned the king of mantras and many > other Kṛṣṇa-mantras as we sat by the water. > > 4 Verse 3.221 Manu smrithi > > पिता यस्य निवृत्तः स्याज् जीवेच्चापि पितामहः । > पितुः स नाम सङ्कीर्त्य कीर्तयेत् प्रपितामहम् ॥ २२१ ॥ > > *pitā** yasya nivṛttaḥ syāj jīveccāpi pitāmahaḥ* | > *pituḥ sa nāma saṅkīrtya kīrtayet prapitāmaham* || 221 || > > He whose father is dead, but grandfather is living, should mention the > great-grandfather after having pronounced the name of the father.—(221) > > KR Mr Gopalakrishnan wants to justify some how that he is in level > and he is harmless; already I wrote to him, that we other than the three > mosquitoes, we do not bother about anything but read and pass through; but > it was the act of Gopalakrishnan his high pedestal observations of my > English and followed by the other one and plus ,which prompted me to index > their follies; now he himself turns the table and also adds that mistakes > are common etc, like devils ’preaching the script; and where was his brain > then? > > And I shall point out content errors always I feel all are > responsible their writing which may stay for millennium to come and we are > answerable to the posterity. So Gopalakrishnan who does not do any home > work, but only dries his tail as others, miss a lot which I point out and I > am least bothered about his English and am not soared about his Malayalam > too. > > Now those who had read would have understood who is hasty by this > time; Gopalakrishnan as usual, slipped into the well; Pitru, Pitu and > pita are all genetic root words in Sanskrit, having several meanings and > used only in some context; Pitru is sradham concerned as shown in (4) > above, pita is handled nicely by Manu. Pitu is used in Rig Vedam (1) and > sanat samhita reflects its meaning also. GOTRA is only for LIVE and in > sradham generation alone that matters than the gotra; Gotra is for alive > mainly, as well as, important from PITA angle; and Pitu is version of Pita > as well as feed as food as seen above. PITU GOTRA is not a slip, as > visioned by Gopalakrishnan, but GOTRA fed in connection with father being > narrated. Thank you NB Before finding fault learn sir. > > K Rajaram IRS 2524 > > NB2 I am not finding fault in your Q and A; You are writing > misinformation mainly misleading readers to believe as you wrote; for > example among so many immediately I do remember is your line of Mount > Everest is not the tallest mountain; THAAT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE VERIFIED; it > is very old data where Kilimanjaro from its plateau sea level though only > 15000 ft appeared to be taller; but Himalaya is measured 29000 feet from > its foot hill. So you always write misinformation only as you want to > reflect your superiority and you err always like PITU , wants to present > yourself in better light. No hard feelings; Compiler means not copy and > paste anything; it is reading, thinking. analysing. fixing error and write > the genuine facts. But what you do is CP of some kids who are right in > their view but you are 80+ and so without knowing much shall refrain from > anything which u dont understand and shall not pretend. ask your retd > canteen worker from jumping. > > On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 00:10, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mr Rajaram, > > You are *hurried* and never see what you have typed before posting. You > have typed instead of pithrugothra, pithu gothra. It is the 3rd time you > commit these types of mistakes. > > It is not a big mistake, but can be termed as typo error, > *if you are not finding fault with ME for a compiled QA, even questioning > what is compilation and finding fault with each and every thing posted by > me. * > > *Please note mistakes can be made by all, and all others are having > caliber equal to you if not above you.* > > > I request not to abuse me for this mail with your usual abuse thevidiya > payalae ( prostititutes's son) or muttal or bastard etc. > > > *Gopalakrishnan* > > On Thursday, 2 May, 2024 at 07:57:30 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > PITHUS GOTRAS > > The word Gotra comes from the Sanskrit Gau, cow and Trahi, a shed or > stable. Translated literally, Gotra means ‘cowshed’ or ‘cow pen’ but the > term has several connotations across Vedic literature. One of the earliest > instances of ‘Gotra’ being used to denote paternal lineage appears around 1000 > BCE in the Atharva Veda, a sacred Hindu text, where the word is used to > refer to ‘clans’ or ‘groups’ descended from a common paternal ancestor. > Subsequently, the Chandogya Upanishad, another Hindu text , defines a > Gotra as a mechanism through which the paternal lineage of an individual > could be traced and identified while according to ancient Sanskrit > linguist Panini, in his Ashtadhyayi, the term is equated with the word > ‘progeny’. Ancient Hindu scriptures such as the Upanishads and the > Rigveda outline the conception and evolution of the Brahminical Gotric > system. These texts posit that ‘Gotras’ emerged initially as a uniquely > Brahminical concept; a marker of the paternal lineage of individuals within > the caste. All the details would go to show that GOTRA was less known in > three Vedas including Rig Vedam but assumed importance only later from the > generations passed off. However the generic Engineering started long ago > than the DNA of the west; though X and Y were not mentioned in the Vedic > period, MALE PROGENY was considered important for the increase in the > population. But that provoked a wrong sense of minds among the males within > 500 years, to torture the women. Even though Manusmrithi and Parasara and > other smritis and Grahya sutrams, have clauses , demeaning the women clan, > equally it should be considered, that even the male 4 varnas and especially > the Brahmin varna, are being looked own; that shows, while viewing the > broad spectrum of the goodness of the humanity, equally the bad elements > were viewed so drastically, requisitioning reasonable punishments also. As > a matter of fact Vedic constitution would punish the higher in clans > severely than the lower ones. Hence Gotras which started only with the 8 > Rishis started expanding as populations and Regions increased, ; started > from Brahmin community to spread all over to all varnas of all the regions; > now unaccountable Gotras; more the division among the varnas, more gotras; > even the last varna adopted general Gotras. Then the PRAVARAS are seen > which is the generations within the Rishi Gotra clan. That PRAVARA s gave > vent to many more Gotras. Then the SAKA and the SUTRAs. > > II Now therefore we shall explain the Pravaras. > > We shall here explain Baudhayana section in accordance with the > views of the commentary called the *Amala-bhāŞya*. > > (In the Śrauta Sūtra) the four types of *Śrauta sacrifice have been > explained*, viz. *iŞṭi, soma*, animal, and *darvīhoma* sacrifices, > beginning with the New- and Full-Moon Sacrifices and ending with the > Sattras; and the choosing of the *ārŞeya* has been prescribed as a part > of these rites. Thus, in the *Taittirīyas*, in the New- and Full-Moon > Sacrifices: ‘He chooses the one connected with the *ṛŞis (ārŞeyam)*;’ he > does not indeed depart from the relationship (with the ṛŞis), and so it > conduces to continuity. He chooses from the remote end the nearer ones; > therefore, > the Fathers, from the remote end the nearer ones, drink in order before > men.’ So, too, the Brāhmana-passage of the Vājasaneyins which prescribes > the ‘choosing of the *ṛŞi*-formula’ (*ārseyavaranam*) in the New- and > Full-Moon Sacrifices: > > ‘Next he recites the pravara of *ṛŞi* -names; he thus makes him > known in this matter to the *ṛŞis* and to the gods, with the thought, “Of > great power is he who obtained the sacrifice”. It is for this reason that > he recites the pravara of *ṛŞi*-names. He recites the pravara from the > remote end hitherwards, for from the remote end hitherwards *a lineage is > propagated.* He thus also conceals him from (the wrath of) the Lord of > the Elder One. For here (among men) the father comes first, then the son, > then the grandson. Therefore, he recites the pravara from the remote end > hitherwards.’ So, too, one may quote elsewhere, *Śākhā* by *Śākhā*. Thus > certain subordinate sacrificial directions are given in the matter of > gotras, as: > > ‘In the case of VasiŞṭhas and Rajanyas the concluding verse (of the > Samidhenīs) is “Thou, O Varuna”, but “Pour ye the oblation” in the case of > the other gotras.’ is “Thou, O Varuna”, but “Pour ye the oblation” in the > case of the other gotras.’ Thus Pravaras are from 2 to 19 withing the > marked lists of each Gotra Rishi as shown below as extracted: > > > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > [image: image.png] > > CHAPTER 7 > > Baudhāyana WE shall explain the one-ra ‘Vasisthas’: > > Vaikalir Vārātakih Sākhalā Gaurisravasa Asvalāyanāh > > Kapisthalāh Saucivrksā Vyāghrapādo Vāhyakāyanir Vātavyā > > [gāyani nayāptā] ātukarnyā Audulomih Kaubhojih > > Kaulāyanāh Sundaraharitāh Kāntheviddhih Saumanasāyanā > > Alambhāyanā Laumāyanyā Svastyā ārsitāhPārnakāyanās > Caudakāyanāh Pārnavalko Devanā > > [image: image.png] > > > II A Ksatriyas have a three-ra (pravara), ‘Manava, Aida, > Paururavasa’ for the Hotr, ‘like Pururavas, > > Ida, Manu’, for the Adhvaryu. > > IIB Vaisyas have a three-ra pravara, > > ‘Bhalandana, Vatsapra, Mankila’ for the Hotr,‘like Mankila, > > Vatsapri, Bhalandana’ for the Adhvaryu. > > II C Apastamba > > Next, of Kshatriyas. > > If they recite their own, they have the one pravara, ‘Manava, Aida, > Paururavasa’, etc. > > Those who do not have hymn-composers should make the recitation with their > purohit’s pravara; those who have hymn composers should do without their > purohit’s pravara. (But the correct view is that these also) should use > their purohit’s pravara, because of the logical argument. Vaisyas have a > one-ra pravara,‘Vatsapra’ for the Hotr,‘like Vatsapri’ for the Adhvaryu. > > II D Kdtydyana and Laugdksi > > [Kings have their purohit’s pravara; with this too the pravara of Vaisyas > is explained. If he should recite with ra-names he should say: ‘Manava, > Aila, Paururavasa.’] > > II E Asvaldyana > > Kings have their purohit’s pravara; if they should make the pravarare > citation with rsis, ‘Manava, Aila, Paururavasa’. > > II F Purusottama comments: > > ‘With rsis’ (sdrsam) means ‘with .ra-names’ (sahdrseyam). (Here follows > Purusottama's comment on the Apastamba rule): > > Here, there are two kinds of Ksatriyas: some have hymn-composers, and some > do not. Those who have should recite their own (pravara), those who do not, > the pravara of their purohita; having laid down these two prima facie > views, he gives as the correct view (*siddhanta*) that all Ksatriyas > should recite only the pravara of their purohitas—‘because of the logical > argument’. Now what logical argument is meant? First, all Kshatriyas have > purohit, and without them they have no admittance to sacrificial rites, as > is seen from the etymology of purohita, ‘being placed in front of him, he > leads him in all matters’ and on the view that all Kshatriyas should recite > their own pravara, the result would be that there could be no intermarriage > among them, since they would all have the same pravara. Now a man whose > family connections are not known should proclaim himself the descendant of > his teacher, and he recites his teacher's pravara.’ > > IIG Here, ‘family connections’ means gotra or pravara: the man who > does not know this accurately is ‘one whose family connections are not > known’, e.g. Satyakama, etc. Thus, Satyakama Jabala, having requested the > teacher Gautama for admission as a pupil, and having been received into > Gautama's protection, was asked by the latter: ‘Of what gotra are you, > friend?’ And he replied: ‘Sir, I do not know what gotra I belong to.’ A > man, therefore, who in this fashion is ignorant of his family connections > should proclaim himself the descendant of his teacher, i.e. he should > proclaim his teacher's gotra, or his pravara, in due order. ‘He recites his > teacher's pravara’—this means the same thing. > > But it is objected: ‘Is this not prohibited by scriptural passages such as > “if a man recites the *drseya* of another, that *rsi* takes the sacrifice > and the enjoyment”?’ > > No: since the sonship of a pupil is best, surpassing even a son of one's > own body. As Apastamba says: ‘Thus the teacher piles up precepts of > virtue for him, he never harms him; for from knowledge, he begets him. That > is the best birth; father and mother beget merely the body.’ And Baudhayana > says: ‘Those whom he begets, those whom he initiates, those whom he > teaches, those for whom he sacrifices–all those become his sons.’ And since > this is so, pupils do not marry within the gotras of their teachers, > because of having the same gotra and pravara. > > KR THUS THE DNA NATURE IN GOTRAS OF MANY ARE LOST. 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