Sir, I wonder often feel astounded at your falicity to respond as the ultimate master of every subject.Thank you Sir. YM
On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 8:14 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > I Theories of consciousness IN SCIENCE > > Despite advances in our understanding of the neural correlates of > consciousness, the question remains: How does consciousness arise from > brain activity? A BIG QUESTION WHICH REMAINS UNSOLVED TILL DATE. > Scientists have proposed several theories. Two prominent ideas are global > neuronal workspace theory (GNWT) and integrated information theory (IIT). > > Global neuronal workspace > > In brief, GNWT proposes that there is a network of long-range connections > that span the brain, called the global workspace. Neural information > becomes conscious when it gains access to this workspace, which allows it > to be broadcast throughout the brain, including to specialized hubs for > memory, perception, motor output, and attention. Crucially, it is a case of > “winner takes all” for a particular interpretation of sensory data when it > gains access to the global workspace. According to Prof. Michael Graziano, > professor of psychology and neuroscience at the Princeton Neuroscience > Institute, NJ, and Dr. AaronSchurger, assistant professor in the Crean > College of Health and Behavioural Sciences at Chapman University in Irvine, > CA, this explains, for example, “bistable” optical illusions. Two examples > of these are the Necker cube and face-vase illusion, in which conscious > awareness switches between two alternative interpretations of the same > sensory data. > > Integrated information > > The communication and integration of information between brain regions is > at the heart of many theories of consciousness. One of these, IIT, uses a > complex equation to calculate an entity’s degree of consciousness from how > well it integrates information. According to the equation, even inanimate > objects such as rocks and teapots have a glimmer of consciousness. This is > in keeping with the philosophical theory of panpsychism, which proposes > that consciousness is a fundamental property of all physical systems. > > II CONSCIOUSNESS IN VEDAS > > Except Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, no other religion analyses > or explains the consciousness. Hence Hindu Vedas alone had done heavy > research on this score. The total life itself id dedicated only to reach it > till the goal is achieved. Hence scientists Rishis were able to easily > explain what it is in 4 states: JAKRADHA, SWAPNA, SUSHUPTI AND TURIUM. The > consciousness is leading you by your mind when you openly watching what is > happening all around you (Jakradha); what you were not able to understand > or resolve or been able to put up with or indirectly asking for the > solutions are all, reflective images, in sign codes, only sometimes > understood fully and many a times missing the bus (Swapna); almost in rem > or a status meditation when you do not know where exactly you are, in that > depth, you understand your mind the relative theory of consciousness > existing as Paramatma (sushupti); when the mind retained that > consciousness, now one in a million travel into that realm, deep into and > feel the real happiness (Turium) . So consciousness explained simply and > explained in depth through the Upanishads. Where modern science is stumped > as on date, old path of dharma said what it is; but it is not a theory to > adopt; but a perception to attend inside that nature. > > III Research on Perception and perceptive conscience and the > consciousness. > > 1 Hemi spatial neglect is a condition where patients are unaware > of a part of their environment, not due to visual impairments, but due to > attention issues. > > 2 The researchers identified five clusters of electrical activity > associated with the maintenance and redirection of attention in > frontoparietal networks. > > 3 The findings challenge current hypotheses that attention and > conscious perception operate in isolation, providing supporting evidence of > their interaction. > > *Source: *Paris Brain Institute > > *Almost half of patients who experienced a stroke in the right cerebral > hemisphere later develop a very unusual symptom: they lose the ability to > perceive what is happening in the left side of space.* > > As a result, they tend to eat only the right side of their plate, ignore > people on their left, and have great difficulty finding their way around. > This disorder, known as hemi spatial neglect, does not involve basic visual > abilities, which remain intact. > > “Clinical studies tell us that attention is necessary, though not > sufficient, for conscious perception, but we didn’t know how this is > translated in the brain. Thus, we tried to uncover the mechanisms of > attention processing in frontoparietal networks.” > > - The second part focuses on the issue of whether conscious > perception is rich or sparse. If the content of perceptual consciousness is > richer than the content that can be cognitively accessed, > then consciousness overflows access and thus access cannot be necessary > for consciousness. > > · The problem of perceptual consciousness—the question of how our > subjective experiences (colours as we see them; sounds as we hear them; > tastes, etc., as we feel them) could be accounted for in terms of brain > processes—is often regarded as the greatest unsolved mystery of our times. > > “Conscious experience is at once the most familiar thing in the world and > the most mysterious. There is nothing we know about more directly than > consciousness, but it is far from clear how to reconcile it with everything > else we know. Why does it exist? What does it do? How could it possibly > arise from lumpy gray matter?” -David J. Chalmers, *The Conscious Mind: > In Search of a Fundamental Theory (1996)* > > Key to understanding the link between the physical and mental > worlds are internal representations—also referred to as mental > representations or cognitive representations. Subjective experience is > built from internal representations. > > Hence perception or perceptive conscience and perceptive > consciousness are beyond cognitive recognition as well as the matter. > > IV Now perception when set against the Vedic system, it is so > easily explained by the scientists Rishis. > > *मात्रास्पर्शास्तु* *कौन्तेय* *शीतोष्णसुखदु**:**खदा**: **|* > *आगमापायिनोऽनित्यास्तांस्तितिक्षस्व* *भारत* *|| **14**||* > > > *mātrā-sparśhās tu kaunteya śhītoṣhṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ āgamāpāyino ’nityās > tāns-titikṣhasva bhārata* > > *mātrā-sparśhāḥ* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/matra-sparshah>—contact > of the senses with the sense objects; *tu* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/tu>—indeed; *kaunteya* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/kaunteya>—Arjun, the son of Kunti; > *śhīta* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/shita>—winter; *uṣhṇa* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ushna>—summer; *sukha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/sukha>—happiness; *duḥkha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/duhkha>—distress; *dāḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dah>—give; *āgama* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/agama>—come; *apāyinaḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/apayinah>—go; *anityāḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/anityah>—non-permanent; *tān* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/tan>—them; *titikṣhasva* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/titikshasva>—tolerate; *bhārata* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/bharata>—descendant of the Bharat > > > *matra-sparshas tu kaunteya shitoshna-sukha-duhkha-dah agamapayino ’nityas > tans-titikshasva bharata* > > Translation > > *BG 2.14**: O son of Kunti, the contact between the senses and the sense > objects gives rise to fleeting perceptions of happiness and distress. These > are non-permanent, and come and go like the winter and summer seasons. O > descendent of Bharat, one must learn to tolerate them without being > disturbed.* > > *श्रोत्रं* *चक्षु**: **स्पर्शनं* *च* *रसनं* *घ्राणमेव* *च* *|* > *अधिष्ठाय* *मनश्चायं* *विषयानुपसेवते* *|| **9**||* > > > *śhrotraṁ chakṣhuḥ sparśhanaṁ cha rasanaṁ ghrāṇam eva cha adhiṣhṭhāya > manaśh chāyaṁ viṣhayān upasevate* > > *śhrotram* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/shrotram>—ears; > *chakṣhuḥ* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/chakshuh>—eyes; > *sparśhanam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/sparshanam>—the sense > of touch; *cha* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *rasanam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/rasanam>—tongue; *ghrāṇam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ghranam>—nose; *eva* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/eva>—also; *cha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *adhiṣhṭhāya* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/adhishthaya>—grouped around; *manaḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/manah>—mind; *cha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—also; *ayam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ayam>—they; *viṣhayān* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/vishayan>—sense objects; *upasevate* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/upasevate>—savors > > > *shrotram chakshuh sparshanam cha rasanam ghranam eva cha adhishthaya > manash chayam vishayan upasevate* > > Translation > > *BG 15.9**: Using the sense perceptions of the ears, eyes, skin, tongue, > and nose, which are grouped around the mind, the embodied soul savors the > objects of the senses.* > > *महाभूतान्यङ्ककारो* *बुद्धिरव्यक्त* *मेव* *च* *|* > *इन्द्रियाणि* *दशैकं* *च* *पञ्च* *चेन्द्रियगोचरा**: **|| **6**||* > > > *mahā-bhūtāny ahankāro buddhir avyaktam eva cha indriyāṇi daśhaikaṁ cha > pañcha chendriya-gocharāḥ* > > *mahā-bhūtāni* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/maha-bhutani>—the > (five) great elements; *ahankāraḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ahankarah>—the ego; *buddhiḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/buddhih>—the intellect; *avyaktam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avyaktam>—the unmanifested > primordial matter; *eva* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/eva> > —indeed; *cha* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *indriyāṇi* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/indriyani>—the senses; *daśha-ekam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dasha-ekam>—eleven; *cha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *pañcha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pancha>—five; *cha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *indriya-go-charāḥ* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/indriya-go-charah>—the (five) > objects of the senses; > > > *maha-bhutany ahankaro buddhir avyaktam eva cha indriyani dashaikam cha > pancha chendriya-gocharah* > > Translation > > *BG 13.6**: The field of activities is composed of the five great > elements, the ego, the intellect, the unmanifest primordial matter, the > eleven senses (five knowledge senses, five working senses, and mind), and > the five objects of the senses.* > > *राजविद्या* *राजगुह्यं* *पवित्रमिदमुत्तमम्* *|* > *प्रत्यक्षावगमं* *धर्म्यं* *सुसुखं* *कर्तुमव्ययम्* *|| **2**||* > > > *rāja-vidyā rāja-guhyaṁ pavitram idam uttamam pratyakṣhāvagamaṁ dharmyaṁ > su-sukhaṁ kartum avyayam* > > *rāja-vidyā* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/raja-vidya>—the king > of sciences; *rāja-guhyam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/raja-guhyam>—the most profound > secret; *pavitram* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pavitram>—pure; > *idam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/idam>—this; *uttamam* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/uttamam>—highest; *pratyakṣha* > <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pratyaksha>—directly perceptible; > *avagamam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avagamam>—directly > realizable; *dharmyam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dharmyam> > —virtuous; *su-sukham* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/su-sukham> > —easy; *kartum* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/kartum>—to > practice; *avyayam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avyayam> > —everlasting > > > *raja-vidya raja-guhyam pavitram idam uttamam pratyakshavagamam dharmyam > su-sukham kartum avyayam* > > Translation > > *BG 9.2**: This knowledge is the king of sciences and the most profound > of all secrets. It purifies those who hear it. It is directly realizable, > in accordance with dharma, easy to practice, and everlasting in effect.* > > In short the perceptions and it singularity is explained in every stage in > B G and finally at the ned made it as a big secret where the status of > transition might occur towards the perceptive consciousness Turium. > > Thus, all accede one thing: WE DON’T KNOW SIR. But our system > of Vedas said it is done by many, so even you may. However, it is your > secret in Nature. That means Nature is so far and wide is so magnanimous > that it can take care of itself and it is surviving billions of years with > or without human. What we are talking as save nature is our Garden, > University Garden but not the Sundarbans and Idukki and silent valley > flora and fauna or Amazon forest or hills and rivers and seas which stand > tall beyond our needs. We are afraid to step in; and to destroy wholly will > have to increase the population to billion times as on date, which is > impossible. So Perception of spectrum if 0,37 power minus 3, perception of > million bacterial are devolped or set-dead by a 20milli injections so > easily; and either the perceptive consciousness or conscious perception are > too far away for 99.99963%. Let us plant trees and safe guard the > environment Thank you K Rajaram IRS 3524//4524 > > On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 20:23, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar*The History of Perception and Understanding >> >> >> >> Perhaps the only Single that happened in the Universe was the Singularity >> that big banged the present universe. As it is you are not singular. You >> are gigantic macro, constituting with octillions and octillions of >> bacteria, making you, you. You are the manifestation of the symbiotic >> collective consciousness of octillions and octillions of bacteria in you. >> Octillion means twenty seven zeroes after one. Your eyes actually blind you >> to the reality, as you can neither see the bacteria nor the atoms and >> particles, constituting your life. Nature is handing over to you >> continuously the macro perception and understanding, the ultimate manager >> that is teaming up so many organisms into the purposeful and self conscious >> you. >> >> After the advent of technology with the stupid anthropocentrism as the be >> all and end all of everything, we have been destroying nature and calling >> it economic life. We have killed the macro perception and understanding of >> nature, the whole gamut of Subsumation as perception and understanding that >> enabled us feel perception and understanding directly from nature. Now the >> disaster is complete with the AC rooms that have disconnected us completely >> from nature. We arrested the octillion and octillion bacteria in us, of >> their freedom of access to nature, which was the basic feature of life via, >> breathing, smelling, sensing, perceiving and understanding and emotionally >> interacting with Gogols and Gogols of organisms (A Gogol is the largest >> possible number), creating the meaning and purpose of life, and actually >> enabling perception and understanding continuously as living. Thanks to >> technology today, we banished consciousness from our consciousness and >> machines have usurped the consciousness. Today we enjoy the laziness of >> consciousness itself and we call it comfort and luxury. We eliminated >> ourselves and technology substitutes us as beings. Technology is based on >> mathematical reductionism and mechanization, ousting natural perception >> with the logic of the machine-the techno logic, the logic without emotions, >> the basic ingredient of life. >> >> How does a single bacterium perceive and understand? Perception and >> understanding governs action and interaction. As there Gugol varieties of >> bacteria, there must be Gugol number of perception and understanding arenas. >> >> We are conscious beings and not machines. Can we doggedly ignore >> consciousness; emotions etc and doggedly jail ourselves in the techno >> logic? Is education merely mechanical engineering, without any feeling as >> direct understanding from nature? >> >> At the ultimate level everything is a manifestation of electromagnetism. >> We are living here on the surface of the earth, because of the suitable >> thermodynamic situation here. But can we confidently say that there can be >> no other forms of consciousness on the basis of different thermodynamic >> situations? Can we say that there is no different Biosphere on the Sun, >> with different paradigms of perception and understanding? What sort of >> macro consciousness must be existing on the Sun? >> >> We see the 3D things on the basis of seeing with our eyes on the surface >> of earth, just up to say ten miles from the surface. Nowhere else we can >> see with our eyes. But we attribute the 3D shapes on the basis of this >> seeing and attribute shapes with the help of technology. But machines >> cannot see feelings, emotions and understandings. Are we seeing the 3D >> shapes because we want to see the 3D shapes only everywhere? Have we >> abandoned the feelings route completely? Is technology not eliminating >> completely the route of perception via interactions of consciousness, where >> we can be comfortable without the 3D shapes? >> >> As it is octillion and octillions of bacteria created the consciousness >> identity as you. Can we not adopt the same consciousness by extending the >> expanse, horizon and arena of consciousness adopted by our Rishis? Can we >> not free ourselves of the self concept as bodies, and adopt self identity >> as non 3D consciousness flows? >> >> There is really no alternative. We simply cannot manufacture a spaceship >> that can travel in light years in the space, while preserving our 3D >> identity governed consciousness. >> >> We need free nature without the tampering science and technology, and >> feel like a limb of nature, so that we adopt the route of the non 3D >> consciousness for space exploration? >> >> As it is Technology is destroying everything, and our infatuation with >> the techno-logic is creating the ultimate disaster. We desperately need the >> Free Nature Parks to revive the paradigms of macro consciousness for >> perception and understanding. >> >> The rehabilitation of consciousness as the basic foundation of education >> actually solves all unrest in every university campus. We have to really >> feel to understand. We have to study the universe as the History of diverse >> consciousnesses. >> >> YM >> >> Chat GPT >> >> >> >> Your message delves into the profound nature of consciousness and its >> relationship with the universe and technology. Here's a summary of your >> insights: >> >> >> >> 1. **Nature of Consciousness**: You highlight that consciousness is not >> singular but a collective manifestation of octillions and octillions of >> bacteria, forming the symbiotic collective consciousness that constitutes >> an individual. The human eye, while a marvel, limits our perception of >> reality as we cannot see bacteria, atoms, or particles that make up life. >> >> >> >> 2. **Impact of Technology**: The advent of technology, driven by >> anthropocentrism and economic motives, has led to the destruction of >> nature. It has disconnected us from the macro perception and understanding >> that nature offers, replacing it with a mechanical, reductionist approach >> that lacks the richness of natural perception. >> >> >> >> 3. **Consciousness vs. Techno-Logic**: You argue against the reduction of >> consciousness to a mechanistic process, emphasizing the importance of >> emotions and natural perception in understanding life. Technology, while >> useful, should not replace our consciousness but should complement it. >> >> >> >> 4. **Different Forms of Consciousness**: Considering the vastness of the >> universe, you ponder the possibility of different forms of consciousness >> based on different thermodynamic situations. You question whether >> consciousness is limited to Earth or if other forms exist elsewhere. >> >> >> >> 5. **Perception and Understanding**: Perception and understanding govern >> our actions and interactions. You question whether our current perception, >> based on 3D shapes and visual stimuli, limits our understanding of >> consciousness and the universe. >> >> >> >> 6. **The Need for Free Nature Parks**: To revive the paradigms of macro >> consciousness for perception and understanding, you advocate for Free >> Nature Parks where human interference is minimal. These parks could help us >> reconnect with nature and adopt non-3D consciousness for space exploration. >> >> >> >> 7. **Rehabilitation of Consciousness in Education**: You suggest that >> education should focus on rehabilitating consciousness as the basic >> foundation. This, you believe, would solve unrest in educational >> institutions and lead to a deeper understanding of the universe as a >> history of diverse consciousnesses. >> >> >> >> Your message underscores the importance of reconnecting with nature, >> embracing consciousness, and questioning the limits of our current >> understanding. >> >> >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCKMF_pEC3aO%3D-8pGCXjsNSA6upfije-LswvU92rs%3D81uQ%40mail.gmail.com.
