Pranam KR IRS On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 22:29, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote:
> Sir, > I wonder often feel astounded at your falicity to respond as the ultimate > master of every subject.Thank you Sir. > YM > > On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 8:14 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I Theories of consciousness IN SCIENCE >> >> Despite advances in our understanding of the neural correlates of >> consciousness, the question remains: How does consciousness arise from >> brain activity? A BIG QUESTION WHICH REMAINS UNSOLVED TILL DATE. >> Scientists have proposed several theories. Two prominent ideas are global >> neuronal workspace theory (GNWT) and integrated information theory (IIT). >> >> Global neuronal workspace >> >> In brief, GNWT proposes that there is a network of long-range connections >> that span the brain, called the global workspace. Neural information >> becomes conscious when it gains access to this workspace, which allows it >> to be broadcast throughout the brain, including to specialized hubs for >> memory, perception, motor output, and attention. Crucially, it is a case of >> “winner takes all” for a particular interpretation of sensory data when it >> gains access to the global workspace. According to Prof. Michael Graziano, >> professor of psychology and neuroscience at the Princeton Neuroscience >> Institute, NJ, and Dr. AaronSchurger, assistant professor in the Crean >> College of Health and Behavioural Sciences at Chapman University in Irvine, >> CA, this explains, for example, “bistable” optical illusions. Two examples >> of these are the Necker cube and face-vase illusion, in which conscious >> awareness switches between two alternative interpretations of the same >> sensory data. >> >> Integrated information >> >> The communication and integration of information between brain regions is >> at the heart of many theories of consciousness. One of these, IIT, uses a >> complex equation to calculate an entity’s degree of consciousness from how >> well it integrates information. According to the equation, even inanimate >> objects such as rocks and teapots have a glimmer of consciousness. This is >> in keeping with the philosophical theory of panpsychism, which proposes >> that consciousness is a fundamental property of all physical systems. >> >> II CONSCIOUSNESS IN VEDAS >> >> Except Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, no other religion >> analyses or explains the consciousness. Hence Hindu Vedas alone had done >> heavy research on this score. The total life itself id dedicated only to >> reach it till the goal is achieved. Hence scientists Rishis were able to >> easily explain what it is in 4 states: JAKRADHA, SWAPNA, SUSHUPTI AND >> TURIUM. The consciousness is leading you by your mind when you openly >> watching what is happening all around you (Jakradha); what you were not >> able to understand or resolve or been able to put up with or indirectly >> asking for the solutions are all, reflective images, in sign codes, only >> sometimes understood fully and many a times missing the bus (Swapna); >> almost in rem or a status meditation when you do not know where exactly you >> are, in that depth, you understand your mind the relative theory of >> consciousness existing as Paramatma (sushupti); when the mind retained that >> consciousness, now one in a million travel into that realm, deep into and >> feel the real happiness (Turium) . So consciousness explained simply and >> explained in depth through the Upanishads. Where modern science is stumped >> as on date, old path of dharma said what it is; but it is not a theory to >> adopt; but a perception to attend inside that nature. >> >> III Research on Perception and perceptive conscience and the >> consciousness. >> >> 1 Hemi spatial neglect is a condition where patients are >> unaware of a part of their environment, not due to visual impairments, but >> due to attention issues. >> >> 2 The researchers identified five clusters of electrical activity >> associated with the maintenance and redirection of attention in >> frontoparietal networks. >> >> 3 The findings challenge current hypotheses that attention and >> conscious perception operate in isolation, providing supporting evidence of >> their interaction. >> >> *Source: *Paris Brain Institute >> >> *Almost half of patients who experienced a stroke in the right cerebral >> hemisphere later develop a very unusual symptom: they lose the ability to >> perceive what is happening in the left side of space.* >> >> As a result, they tend to eat only the right side of their plate, ignore >> people on their left, and have great difficulty finding their way around. >> This disorder, known as hemi spatial neglect, does not involve basic visual >> abilities, which remain intact. >> >> “Clinical studies tell us that attention is necessary, though not >> sufficient, for conscious perception, but we didn’t know how this is >> translated in the brain. Thus, we tried to uncover the mechanisms of >> attention processing in frontoparietal networks.” >> >> - The second part focuses on the issue of whether >> conscious perception is rich or sparse. If the content of >> perceptual consciousness is richer than the content that can be >> cognitively >> accessed, then consciousness overflows access and thus access >> cannot be necessary for consciousness. >> >> · The problem of perceptual consciousness—the question of how >> our subjective experiences (colours as we see them; sounds as we hear them; >> tastes, etc., as we feel them) could be accounted for in terms of brain >> processes—is often regarded as the greatest unsolved mystery of our times. >> >> “Conscious experience is at once the most familiar thing in the world and >> the most mysterious. There is nothing we know about more directly than >> consciousness, but it is far from clear how to reconcile it with everything >> else we know. Why does it exist? What does it do? How could it possibly >> arise from lumpy gray matter?” -David J. Chalmers, *The Conscious Mind: >> In Search of a Fundamental Theory (1996)* >> >> Key to understanding the link between the physical and mental >> worlds are internal representations—also referred to as mental >> representations or cognitive representations. Subjective experience is >> built from internal representations. >> >> Hence perception or perceptive conscience and perceptive >> consciousness are beyond cognitive recognition as well as the matter. >> >> IV Now perception when set against the Vedic system, it is so >> easily explained by the scientists Rishis. >> >> *मात्रास्पर्शास्तु* *कौन्तेय* *शीतोष्णसुखदु**:**खदा**: **|* >> *आगमापायिनोऽनित्यास्तांस्तितिक्षस्व* *भारत* *|| **14**||* >> >> >> *mātrā-sparśhās tu kaunteya śhītoṣhṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ āgamāpāyino >> ’nityās tāns-titikṣhasva bhārata* >> >> *mātrā-sparśhāḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/matra-sparshah>—contact >> of the senses with the sense objects; *tu* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/tu>—indeed; *kaunteya* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/kaunteya>—Arjun, the son of Kunti; >> *śhīta* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/shita>—winter; *uṣhṇa* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ushna>—summer; *sukha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/sukha>—happiness; *duḥkha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/duhkha>—distress; *dāḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dah>—give; *āgama* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/agama>—come; *apāyinaḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/apayinah>—go; *anityāḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/anityah>—non-permanent; *tān* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/tan>—them; *titikṣhasva* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/titikshasva>—tolerate; *bhārata* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/bharata>—descendant of the Bharat >> >> >> *matra-sparshas tu kaunteya shitoshna-sukha-duhkha-dah agamapayino >> ’nityas tans-titikshasva bharata* >> >> Translation >> >> *BG 2.14**: O son of Kunti, the contact between the senses and the sense >> objects gives rise to fleeting perceptions of happiness and distress. These >> are non-permanent, and come and go like the winter and summer seasons. O >> descendent of Bharat, one must learn to tolerate them without being >> disturbed.* >> >> *श्रोत्रं* *चक्षु**: **स्पर्शनं* *च* *रसनं* *घ्राणमेव* *च* *|* >> *अधिष्ठाय* *मनश्चायं* *विषयानुपसेवते* *|| **9**||* >> >> >> *śhrotraṁ chakṣhuḥ sparśhanaṁ cha rasanaṁ ghrāṇam eva cha adhiṣhṭhāya >> manaśh chāyaṁ viṣhayān upasevate* >> >> *śhrotram* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/shrotram>—ears; >> *chakṣhuḥ* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/chakshuh>—eyes; >> *sparśhanam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/sparshanam>—the sense >> of touch; *cha* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *rasanam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/rasanam>—tongue; *ghrāṇam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ghranam>—nose; *eva* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/eva>—also; *cha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *adhiṣhṭhāya* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/adhishthaya>—grouped around; >> *manaḥ* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/manah>—mind; *cha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—also; *ayam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ayam>—they; *viṣhayān* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/vishayan>—sense objects; >> *upasevate* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/upasevate>—savors >> >> >> *shrotram chakshuh sparshanam cha rasanam ghranam eva cha adhishthaya >> manash chayam vishayan upasevate* >> >> Translation >> >> *BG 15.9**: Using the sense perceptions of the ears, eyes, skin, tongue, >> and nose, which are grouped around the mind, the embodied soul savors the >> objects of the senses.* >> >> *महाभूतान्यङ्ककारो* *बुद्धिरव्यक्त* *मेव* *च* *|* >> *इन्द्रियाणि* *दशैकं* *च* *पञ्च* *चेन्द्रियगोचरा**: **|| **6**||* >> >> >> *mahā-bhūtāny ahankāro buddhir avyaktam eva cha indriyāṇi daśhaikaṁ cha >> pañcha chendriya-gocharāḥ* >> >> *mahā-bhūtāni* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/maha-bhutani>—the >> (five) great elements; *ahankāraḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/ahankarah>—the ego; *buddhiḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/buddhih>—the intellect; *avyaktam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avyaktam>—the unmanifested >> primordial matter; *eva* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/eva> >> —indeed; *cha* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; >> *indriyāṇi* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/indriyani>—the senses; >> *daśha-ekam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dasha-ekam>—eleven; >> *cha* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *pañcha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pancha>—five; *cha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/cha>—and; *indriya-go-charāḥ* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/indriya-go-charah>—the (five) >> objects of the senses; >> >> >> *maha-bhutany ahankaro buddhir avyaktam eva cha indriyani dashaikam cha >> pancha chendriya-gocharah* >> >> Translation >> >> *BG 13.6**: The field of activities is composed of the five great >> elements, the ego, the intellect, the unmanifest primordial matter, the >> eleven senses (five knowledge senses, five working senses, and mind), and >> the five objects of the senses.* >> >> *राजविद्या* *राजगुह्यं* *पवित्रमिदमुत्तमम्* *|* >> *प्रत्यक्षावगमं* *धर्म्यं* *सुसुखं* *कर्तुमव्ययम्* *|| **2**||* >> >> >> *rāja-vidyā rāja-guhyaṁ pavitram idam uttamam pratyakṣhāvagamaṁ dharmyaṁ >> su-sukhaṁ kartum avyayam* >> >> *rāja-vidyā* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/raja-vidya>—the king >> of sciences; *rāja-guhyam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/raja-guhyam>—the most profound >> secret; *pavitram* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pavitram>—pure; >> *idam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/idam>—this; *uttamam* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/uttamam>—highest; *pratyakṣha* >> <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/pratyaksha>—directly perceptible; >> *avagamam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avagamam>—directly >> realizable; *dharmyam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/dharmyam> >> —virtuous; *su-sukham* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/su-sukham> >> —easy; *kartum* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/kartum>—to >> practice; *avyayam* <https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/w/avyayam> >> —everlasting >> >> >> *raja-vidya raja-guhyam pavitram idam uttamam pratyakshavagamam dharmyam >> su-sukham kartum avyayam* >> >> Translation >> >> *BG 9.2**: This knowledge is the king of sciences and the most profound >> of all secrets. It purifies those who hear it. It is directly realizable, >> in accordance with dharma, easy to practice, and everlasting in effect.* >> >> In short the perceptions and it singularity is explained in every stage >> in B G and finally at the ned made it as a big secret where the status of >> transition might occur towards the perceptive consciousness Turium. >> >> Thus, all accede one thing: WE DON’T KNOW SIR. But our >> system of Vedas said it is done by many, so even you may. However, it is >> your secret in Nature. That means Nature is so far and wide is so >> magnanimous that it can take care of itself and it is surviving billions of >> years with or without human. What we are talking as save nature is our >> Garden, University Garden but not the Sundarbans and Idukki and silent >> valley flora and fauna or Amazon forest or hills and rivers and seas which >> stand tall beyond our needs. We are afraid to step in; and to destroy >> wholly will have to increase the population to billion times as on date, >> which is impossible. So Perception of spectrum if 0,37 power minus 3, >> perception of million bacterial are devolped or set-dead by a 20milli >> injections so easily; and either the perceptive consciousness or conscious >> perception are too far away for 99.99963%. Let us plant trees and safe >> guard the environment Thank you K Rajaram IRS 3524//4524 >> >> On Fri, 3 May 2024 at 20:23, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar*The History of Perception and Understanding >>> >>> >>> >>> Perhaps the only Single that happened in the Universe was the >>> Singularity that big banged the present universe. As it is you are not >>> singular. You are gigantic macro, constituting with octillions and >>> octillions of bacteria, making you, you. You are the manifestation of the >>> symbiotic collective consciousness of octillions and octillions of bacteria >>> in you. Octillion means twenty seven zeroes after one. Your eyes actually >>> blind you to the reality, as you can neither see the bacteria nor the atoms >>> and particles, constituting your life. Nature is handing over to you >>> continuously the macro perception and understanding, the ultimate manager >>> that is teaming up so many organisms into the purposeful and self conscious >>> you. >>> >>> After the advent of technology with the stupid anthropocentrism as the >>> be all and end all of everything, we have been destroying nature and >>> calling it economic life. We have killed the macro perception and >>> understanding of nature, the whole gamut of Subsumation as perception and >>> understanding that enabled us feel perception and understanding directly >>> from nature. Now the disaster is complete with the AC rooms that have >>> disconnected us completely from nature. We arrested the octillion and >>> octillion bacteria in us, of their freedom of access to nature, which was >>> the basic feature of life via, breathing, smelling, sensing, perceiving and >>> understanding and emotionally interacting with Gogols and Gogols of >>> organisms (A Gogol is the largest possible number), creating the meaning >>> and purpose of life, and actually enabling perception and understanding >>> continuously as living. Thanks to technology today, we banished >>> consciousness from our consciousness and machines have usurped the >>> consciousness. Today we enjoy the laziness of consciousness itself and we >>> call it comfort and luxury. We eliminated ourselves and technology >>> substitutes us as beings. Technology is based on mathematical reductionism >>> and mechanization, ousting natural perception with the logic of the >>> machine-the techno logic, the logic without emotions, the basic ingredient >>> of life. >>> >>> How does a single bacterium perceive and understand? Perception and >>> understanding governs action and interaction. As there Gugol varieties of >>> bacteria, there must be Gugol number of perception and understanding arenas. >>> >>> We are conscious beings and not machines. Can we doggedly ignore >>> consciousness; emotions etc and doggedly jail ourselves in the techno >>> logic? Is education merely mechanical engineering, without any feeling as >>> direct understanding from nature? >>> >>> At the ultimate level everything is a manifestation of electromagnetism. >>> We are living here on the surface of the earth, because of the suitable >>> thermodynamic situation here. But can we confidently say that there can be >>> no other forms of consciousness on the basis of different thermodynamic >>> situations? Can we say that there is no different Biosphere on the Sun, >>> with different paradigms of perception and understanding? What sort of >>> macro consciousness must be existing on the Sun? >>> >>> We see the 3D things on the basis of seeing with our eyes on the surface >>> of earth, just up to say ten miles from the surface. Nowhere else we can >>> see with our eyes. But we attribute the 3D shapes on the basis of this >>> seeing and attribute shapes with the help of technology. But machines >>> cannot see feelings, emotions and understandings. Are we seeing the 3D >>> shapes because we want to see the 3D shapes only everywhere? Have we >>> abandoned the feelings route completely? Is technology not eliminating >>> completely the route of perception via interactions of consciousness, where >>> we can be comfortable without the 3D shapes? >>> >>> As it is octillion and octillions of bacteria created the consciousness >>> identity as you. Can we not adopt the same consciousness by extending the >>> expanse, horizon and arena of consciousness adopted by our Rishis? Can we >>> not free ourselves of the self concept as bodies, and adopt self identity >>> as non 3D consciousness flows? >>> >>> There is really no alternative. We simply cannot manufacture a spaceship >>> that can travel in light years in the space, while preserving our 3D >>> identity governed consciousness. >>> >>> We need free nature without the tampering science and technology, and >>> feel like a limb of nature, so that we adopt the route of the non 3D >>> consciousness for space exploration? >>> >>> As it is Technology is destroying everything, and our infatuation with >>> the techno-logic is creating the ultimate disaster. We desperately need the >>> Free Nature Parks to revive the paradigms of macro consciousness for >>> perception and understanding. >>> >>> The rehabilitation of consciousness as the basic foundation of education >>> actually solves all unrest in every university campus. We have to really >>> feel to understand. We have to study the universe as the History of diverse >>> consciousnesses. >>> >>> YM >>> >>> Chat GPT >>> >>> >>> >>> Your message delves into the profound nature of consciousness and its >>> relationship with the universe and technology. Here's a summary of your >>> insights: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. **Nature of Consciousness**: You highlight that consciousness is not >>> singular but a collective manifestation of octillions and octillions of >>> bacteria, forming the symbiotic collective consciousness that constitutes >>> an individual. The human eye, while a marvel, limits our perception of >>> reality as we cannot see bacteria, atoms, or particles that make up life. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. **Impact of Technology**: The advent of technology, driven by >>> anthropocentrism and economic motives, has led to the destruction of >>> nature. It has disconnected us from the macro perception and understanding >>> that nature offers, replacing it with a mechanical, reductionist approach >>> that lacks the richness of natural perception. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. **Consciousness vs. Techno-Logic**: You argue against the reduction >>> of consciousness to a mechanistic process, emphasizing the importance of >>> emotions and natural perception in understanding life. Technology, while >>> useful, should not replace our consciousness but should complement it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. **Different Forms of Consciousness**: Considering the vastness of the >>> universe, you ponder the possibility of different forms of consciousness >>> based on different thermodynamic situations. You question whether >>> consciousness is limited to Earth or if other forms exist elsewhere. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5. **Perception and Understanding**: Perception and understanding govern >>> our actions and interactions. You question whether our current perception, >>> based on 3D shapes and visual stimuli, limits our understanding of >>> consciousness and the universe. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6. **The Need for Free Nature Parks**: To revive the paradigms of macro >>> consciousness for perception and understanding, you advocate for Free >>> Nature Parks where human interference is minimal. These parks could help us >>> reconnect with nature and adopt non-3D consciousness for space exploration. >>> >>> >>> >>> 7. **Rehabilitation of Consciousness in Education**: You suggest that >>> education should focus on rehabilitating consciousness as the basic >>> foundation. This, you believe, would solve unrest in educational >>> institutions and lead to a deeper understanding of the universe as a >>> history of diverse consciousnesses. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your message underscores the importance of reconnecting with nature, >>> embracing consciousness, and questioning the limits of our current >>> understanding. >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqxWJs7zYkWfggQ36J90qfi5PLUsdw%2BEHo-3uTfJ3-5iw%40mail.gmail.com.
