Mr Gopalakrishnan while replying went down so low; so today 24524 I have released both sanatana Dharma part as well as Gotra together as a separate article Pl go through which will be response to him KR IRS 23524
On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 08:09, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers < [email protected]> wrote: > No sir, with in my limited knowledge except sage *Valmiki *all other > saints are/were Brahmins in Satya yuga, Thretha yuga, and Dwaparayuga. > Sages who were Rajaguru were Brahmins. Parentage is considered from father. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Thursday, 23 May, 2024 at 12:34:50 pm IST, Madras Sivaraman < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you.Do I take it that anybody be it even a dalit if he is > learned insastras in those days could be a brahmin.Itake it that many of > the sages were not brahmins > > On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 10:18, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Dear Sri Sivaramanji > > That is to be seen in depth and many had written an answer for it. > Being a brahmin is not a crest; maybe I am trying to collect interconnected > data. The Brahmin caste is not brahmin. Long ago when the quota issue arose > in the Madras HC against DMK, I suggested the leading lawyer to argue that > Brahmin is not a caste as stamped. Because my name is Chakravarthi, I > dont own anything and cannot be presumed to be the owner as alleged. > Brahmin is privacy. Given all, Drona was a Kshatriya born to a brahmin > parent who might have been beggars following the principle. A PM cannot be > rich, a king can. That is the difference. Maybe some time later I will > connect them all. Our pride is our intelligence by DNA. That advocate did > not understand. And we are being punished.But it is unconstitutional. > Thank you KR IRS 23524 > > On Wed, 22 May 2024 at 23:26, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am not able to understand the concept that brahmins should always be > beggars even though even during the mahabharata war several brahmins were > warriors like Drona, Kripa and others. There were mighty brahmin > dynasties that ruled India.There have been brahmin warriors in our Indian > armed forces who were decorated with the PVC, MVC AND VC apart from Ashok > Chakras, Kirti Chakras and Shaurya Chakras. > Why is there always this picture of Brahmins as beggars? > > On Thu, 23 May 2024 at 07:03, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > THUS SPAKE DRAUPATI PART4 22524 23524 > > “It is evident that you know that pleasure may be derived from the > possession of various objects of enjoyment. You also very well know their > ordinary states, as well as the great changes they undergo. At their loss > or disappearance occasioned by decrepitude or death, arises what is called > distress. That distress has now overtaken us. The joy that arises from > the five senses, the intellect and the heart, being directed to the objects > proper to each, is called pleasure. That pleasure is, as I think, one of > the best fruits of our actions. Thus, one should regard virtue, wealth and > pleasure one after another. One should not devote oneself to virtue alone, > nor regard wealth as the highest object of one's wishes, nor pleasure, but > should always pursue all three. The scriptures ordain that one should seek > virtue in the morning, wealth at noon, and pleasure in the evening. The > scriptures also ordain that one should seek pleasure in the first portion > of life, wealth in the second, and virtue in the last. They that are wise > and fully conversant with proper division of time, pursue all three, > virtue, wealth, and pleasure, dividing their time duly. Whether > independence of these three, or their possession is the better for those > that desire happiness, should be settled by you after careful thought. You > should then act either for acquiring them, or abandoning them all. For he > who lives wavering between the two doubtingly, leads a wretched life. It is > well known that your behaviour is ever regulated by virtue. Knowing this > your friends counsel you to act. Gift, sacrifice, respect for the wise, > study of the Vedas, and honesty, these, constitute the highest virtue and > are efficacious both here and hereafter. These virtues, however, cannot be > attained by one that has no wealth, even if he may have infinite other > accomplishments. The whole universe depends upon virtue. There is nothing > higher than virtue. And virtue is attainable by one that has plenty of > wealth. > > “Wealth cannot be earned by leading a mendicant life, nor by a life of > feebleness. Wealth, however, can be earned by intelligence directed by > virtue. In your case, begging, which is successful with Brahmanas, has been > forbidden. Therefore, strive for the acquisition of wealth by exerting your > might and energy. Neither mendicancy, nor the life of a Sudra is what is > proper for you. Might and energy constitute the virtue of the Kshatriya in > especial. Adopt you, therefore, the virtue of your order and slay the > enemies. Destroy the might of Dhritarashtra's sons with my and Arjuna's > aid. They that are learned and wise say that sovereignty is virtue. Acquire > sovereignty, therefore, for it beholds you not to live in a state of > inferiority. Awake, O king! and understand the eternal virtues of the order. > By birth you belong to an order whose deeds are cruel and are a source of > pain to man. Cherish your subjects and reap the fruit thereof. That can > never be a reproach. This is the virtue ordained by God himself for the > order to which you belong! If you stray away from there, you will make > yourself look ridiculous. Deviation from the virtues of one's own order is > never applauded. Therefore, making your heart what it ought to be, > agreeably to the order to which you belong, and casting away this course of > feebleness, summon your energy and bear your weight like one that bears it > manfully. No king could ever acquire the sovereignty of the earth or > prosperity or affluence by means of virtue alone. Like a fowler earning his > food in the shape of swarms of little easily-tempted game, by offering them > some attractive food, does one that is intelligent acquire a kingdom, by > offering bribes unto low and covetous enemies. > > “Behold the Asuras, though elder brothers in possession of power and > affluence, were all vanquished by the gods through stratagem. Thus, > everything belongs to those that are mighty. Slay your foes, having > recourse to stratagem. There is none equal unto Arjuna in wielding the bow > in battle. Nor is there anybody that may be equal unto me in wielding the > mace. Strong men engage in battle depending on their might, and not on the > force of numbers nor on information of the enemy's plans procured through > spies. Therefore, exert your might. Might is the root of wealth. Whatever > else is said to be its root is really not such. As the shade of the tree in > winter goes for nothing, so without might everything else becomes > fruitless. Wealth should be spent by one who wishes to increase his wealth, > after the manner, of scattering seeds on the ground. Let there be no doubt > then in your mind. Where, however, wealth that is more or even equal is not > to be gained, there should be no expenditure of wealth. For investment of > wealth are like the ass, scratching, pleasurable at first but painful > afterwards. > > *“Thus, the person who throws away, like seeds, a little of his virtue in > order to gain a larger measure of virtue, is regarded as wise.* Beyond > doubt, it is as I say. They that are wise alienate the friends of the foe > that own such, and having weakened him by causing those friends to abandon > him thus, they then reduce him to subjection. Even they that are strong, > engage in battle depending on their courage. One cannot by even continued > efforts or by the arts of conciliation, always conquer a kingdom. > Sometimes, men that are weak, uniting in large numbers, slay even a > powerful foe, like bees killing the despoiler of the honey by force of > numbers alone. Like the sun that sustains as well as slays creatures by his > rays, adopt you the ways of the sun. To protect one's kingdom and cherish > the people duly, as done by our ancestors, is, it has been heard by us, a > kind of asceticism mentioned even in the Vedas. By asceticism, a Kshatriya > cannot acquire such regions of blessedness as he can by fair fight whether > ending in victory or defeat. > > “Beholding this your distress, the world has come to the conclusion that > light may forsake the Sun and grace the Moon. Good men separately as well > as assembling together, converse with one another, applauding you and > blaming the other. There is this, moreover, that both the Kurus and the > Brahmanas, assembling together, gladly speak of your firm adherence to > truth, in that you have never, from ignorance, from meanness, from > covetousness, or from fear, uttered an untruth. Whatever sin a king commits > in acquiring dominion, he consumes it all afterwards by means of sacrifices > distinguished by large gifts. Like the Moon emerging from the clouds, the > king is purified from all sins by bestowing villages on Brahmanas and kine > by thousands. Almost all the citizens as well as the inhabitants of the > country, young or old praise you. This also, the people are saying amongst > themselves, that as milk in a bag of dog's hide, as the Vedas in a Shudra, > as truth in a robber, as strength in a woman, so is sovereignty in > Duryodhana. Even women and children are repeating this, as if it were a > lesson they seek to commit to memory. You have fallen into this state along > with ourselves. > > “Alas! we too are lost with you for this calamity of yours. Therefore, > ascending in your car furnished with every implement, and making the superior > Brahmanas utter benedictions on you, march you with speed, even this very > day, upon Hastinapura, in order that you may be able to give unto Brahmanas > the spoils of victory. Surrounded by your brothers, who are firm wielders > of the bow, and by heroes skilled in weapons and like unto snakes of > virulent poison, set you out even like Indra surrounded by the Maruts. As > you are powerful, grind you with your might, your weak enemies, like Indra > grinding the Asuras; and snatch you from Dhritarashtra's son the prosperity > he enjoys. There is no mortal that can bear the touch of the shafts > furnished with the feathers of the vulture and resembling snakes of > virulent poison, that would be shot from the Gandiva. There is not a > warrior, nor an elephant, nor a horse, that is able to bear the impetus of > my mace when I am angry in battle. Why should we not wrest our kingdom from > the foe, fighting with the aid of the Srinjayas and Kaikeyas, and the bull > of the Vrishni <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/vrishni/> race? > Why should we not succeed in wrestling the earth that is now in the hands > of the foe, if, aided by a large force, we do but strive?” > > Thus, addressed by Bhimasena, the high-souled king Yudhishthira, firmly > devoted to truth, mustering his patience, after a few moments said these > words: “O Bhimasena! No doubt all this is true. I cannot reproach you for > your torturing me thus by piercing me with your arrowy words. From my folly > alone has this calamity come against you. I sought to cast the dice > desiring to snatch from Dhritarashtra's son his kingdom with the > sovereignty. It was therefore that cunning gambler Shakuni played against > me on behalf of Suyodhana. Shakuni, a native of the hilly country, is > exceedingly artful. Casting the dice in the presence of the assembly, > unacquainted as I am with artifices of any kind, he vanquished me artfully. > It is, therefore, that we have been overwhelmed with this calamity. > Beholding the dice favourable to the wishes of Shakuni in odds and evens, I > could have controlled my mind. Anger, however, drives off a person's > patience. The mind cannot be kept under control when it is influenced by > hauteur, vanity, or pride. I do not reproach you for the words you use. I > only regard that what has befallen us was pre-ordained. When king > Duryodhana coveting our kingdom, plunged us into misery and even slavery, > then it was Draupadi that rescued us. When summoned again to the assembly > for playing once more, you know as well as Arjuna what Dhritarashtra's son > told me, in the presence of all the Bharatas, regarding the stake for > which we were to play. > > “His words were, ‘O prince Ajatashatru! If vanquished, you shall have with > all your brothers, to dwell, to the knowledge of all men, for twelve years > in the forest of your choice, passing the thirteenth year in secrecy. If > during the latter period, the spies of the Bharatas, hearing of you, > succeed in discovering you, you shall have again to live in the forest for > the same period, passing once more the last year in secrecy. Reflecting > upon this, pledge yourself to it. As regards myself, I promise truly in > this assembly of the Kurus, that if you can pass this time confounding my > spies and undiscovered by them, then, this kingdom of the five rivers is > once more yours. We also, if vanquished by you, shall, all of us, > abandoning all our wealth, pass the same period, according to the same > rules.’ > > “Thus addressed by the prince, I replied unto him in the midst of all the > Kurus, ‘So be it!’ The wretched game then commenced. We were vanquished and > have been exiled. It is for this that we are wandering miserably over > different woody regions abounding with discomfort. Suyodhana, however, > still dissatisfied, gave himself up to anger, and urged the Kurus as also > all those under his sway to express their joy at our calamity. Having > entered into such an agreement in the presence of all good men, who dares > break it for the sake of a kingdom on earth? For a respectable person, I > think, even death itself is lighter than the acquisition of sovereignty by > an act of transgression. At the time of the play, you had desired to burn > my hands. You were prevented by Arjuna, and accordingly did only squeeze > your own hands. If you could do what you had desired, could this calamity > befall us? Conscious of your prowess, why did you not say so before we > entered into such an agreement? Overwhelmed with the consequence of our > pledge, and the time itself having passed, what is the use of your > addressing me with these harsh words? > > “This is my great grief that we could not do anything even beholding > Draupadi persecuted in that way. My heart burns as if I have drunk some > poisonous liquid. Having, however, given that pledge in the midst of the > Kuru <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/kuru/> heroes, I am unable > to violate it now. Wait for the return of our better days, like the > scatterer of seeds waiting for the harvest. When one that has been first > injured, succeeds in revenging himself upon his foe at a time when the > latter's enmity has borne fruit and flowers, he is regarded to have > accomplished a great thing by his prowess. Such a brave person earns > undying fame. Such a man obtains great prosperity. His enemies bow down > unto him, and his friends gather round him, like the celestials clustering > round Indra for protection. But know, my promise can never be untrue. I > regard virtue as superior to life itself and a blessed state of celestial > existence. Kingdom, sons, fame, wealth,--all these do not come up to even a > sixteenth part of truth.” > > Bhima said: “O king! Unsubstantial as you are like froth, unstable like a > fruit falling when ripe, dependent on time, and mortal, having entered into > an agreement in respect of time, which is infinite and immeasurable, quick > like a shaft or flowing like a stream, and carrying everything before it > like death itself, how can you regard it as available? How can he wait > whose life is shortened every moment, even like a quantity of collyrium > that is lessened each time a grain is taken up by the needle? Only someone > whose life is unlimited or who knows with certainty what the period of his > life is, and who knows the future as if it were before his eyes, can indeed > wait for the arrival of an expected time. If we wait for thirteen years, > that period, shortening our lives, will bring us nearer to death. Death is > sure to overtake every creature having a corporeal existence. Therefore, we > should strive for the possession of our kingdom before we die. He that > fails to achieve fame, by failing to chastise his foes, is like an unclean > thing. He is a useless burden on the earth like an incapacitated bull and > perishes ingloriously. The man who, destitute of strength and courage, does > not chastise his foes, lives in vain, I regard such a one as low-born. > > “Your hand can rain gold; your fame spreads over the whole earth; slaying > your foes, therefore, in battle, enjoy the wealth acquired by the might of > your arms. If a man slaying his injurer, goes the very day into hell, that > hell becomes heaven to him. The pain one feels in having to suppress one's > wrath is more burning than fire itself. Even now I burn with it and cannot > sleep in the day or the night. This Arjuna is foremost in drawing the > bow-string. He certainly burns with grief, though he lives here like a lion > in his den. This one that desires to slay without aid all wielders of the > bow on earth, represses the wrath that rises in his breast, like a mighty > elephant. Nakula, Sahadeva, and old Kunti > <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/kunti/> are all dumb, desiring > to please you. And all our friends along with the Srinjayas equally desire > to please you. I alone and Draupadi speak unto you burning with grief. > Whatever I speak unto you is agreeable to all of them, for all of them > plunged in distress, eagerly wish for battle. Then, what more wretched > calamity can overtake us that our kingdom should be wrested from us by weak > and contemptible foes and enjoyed by them? > > “From the weakness of your disposition you feel shame in violating your > pledge. But, no one applaudes you for thus suffering such pain in > consequence of the kindliness of your disposition. Your intellect sees not > the truth, like that of a foolish and ignorant person of high birth who has > committed the words of the Vedas to memory without understanding their > sense. You are kind like a Brahmana. How have you been born in the > Kshatriya order? They that are born in the Kshatriya order are generally of > crooked hearts. You have heard the duties of kings, as promulgated by Manu, > fraught with crookedness and unfairness and precepts opposed to > tranquillity and virtue. Why do you then forgive the wicked sons of > Dhritarashtra? You have intelligence, prowess, learning and high birth. Why > do you then act in respect of your duties, like a huge snake that is > destitute of motion? He that desires to conceal us, only wishes to conceal > the mountains of Himavat by means of a handful of grass. Known as you are > over the whole earth, you will not be able to live unknown, like the sun > that can never course through the sky unknown to men. Like a large tree in > a well-watered region with spreading branches and flowers and leaves, or > like Indra's elephant, how will Arjuna live unknown? > > How also will these children, the brothers, Nakula and Sahadeva, > equal unto a couple of young lions, both live in secret? How will Krishna, > the daughter of Drupada, a princess and mother of heroes, of virtuous deeds > and known all over the world, live unknown? Me also, everybody knows from > my boyhood. I do not see how I can live unknown. As well, mighty mountains > of Meru <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/meru/> are sought to be > concealed. Then, again, many kings had been expelled by us from their > kingdom. These kings and princes will all follow the bad son of > Dhritarashtra, for robbed and exiled by us, they have not still become > friendly. Desiring to do good unto Dhritarashtra, they will certainly seek > to injure us. They will certainly set against us numerous spies in > disguise. If they discover us and report their discovery, a great danger > will overtake us. We have already lived in the woods for a full thirteen > months. Regards for their length as thirteen years. The wise have said that > a month <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/month/> is a substitute > for a year, like the pot-herb that is regarded as a substitute for the > Soma. Or you may free yourself from this sin by offering good savoury food > to a quiet bull carrying sacred burdens. Therefore, resolve to slay your > enemies. There is no virtue higher than fighting, for every Kshatriya!” > > Hearing those words of Bhima, Yudhishthira began to sigh heavily, and > reflect in silence. He thought within himself: “I have heard the duties > of kings, also all truths about the duties of the different orders. He is > said to observe those duties truly who keeps them before his eyes, so as to > regulate his conduct both in the present and the future. Knowing as I do > the true course of virtue, which, however is so very difficult of being > known, how can I forcibly grind virtue down like grinding the mountains of > Meru?” > > Having reflected so for a moment, and settled what he should do, he > replied unto Bhima as follows without allowing him another word: “It is so > as you have said. But, listen now to another word I say. Whatever sinful > deeds one seeks to achieve depending on his courage alone, it always > becomes a source of pain. But, whatever is begun with deliberation, with > well-directed prowess, with all appliances, and much previous thought, it > is seen to succeed. The gods themselves favour such designs. Hear from me > something about what you think should be immediately begun. Bhurisravas, > Bhishma <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/bhishma/>, Drona, > Karna, the mighty son of Drona, Dhritarashtra's sons, Duryodhana and > others, so difficult of being vanquished, are all accomplished in arms and > ever ready for battle with us. Those kings and chiefs of the earth also who > have been injured by us, have all adopted the side of the Kauravas, and are > bound by ties of affection to them. They are engaged in seeking the good of > Duryodhana and not of us. With full treasures and aided by large forces, > they will certainly strive their best in battle. All the officers also of > the Kuru army together with their sons and relatives, have been honoured by > Duryodhana with wealth and luxuries. Those heroes are also much regarded by > Duryodhana. This is my certain conclusion that they will sacrifice their > lives for Duryodhana in battle. Although the behaviour of Bhishma, Drona, > and the illustrious Kripa, is the same towards us as towards them, yet, > this is my certain conclusion that in order to pay off the royal favours > they enjoy, they will throw their very lives in battle. All of them are > masters of celestial weapons, and devoted to the practice of virtue. I > think they are incapable of being vanquished even by gods led by Vasava > <https://www.vyasaonline.com/encyclopedia/vasava/> himself. There is > again amongst them that mighty warrior, Karna, impetuous, and ever > wrathful, master of all weapons, invincible, and encased in impenetrable > mail. Without first vanquishing in battle all those foremost of men, > unaided as you are, how can you slay Duryodhana? O Bhimasena! I cannot > sleep thinking of the lightness of hand of that Suta's son, who, I regard, > is the foremost of all wielders of the bow!” > > Hearing these words of Yudhishthira, the impetuous Bhima became alarmed, > and forbore from speaking anything. > > K RAJARAM IRS 22524 23524 > > > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZopQS0yh%3Dn65CwSMMk8tZppQY2q7jMipMGHGHbxGwp_O8A%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZopQS0yh%3Dn65CwSMMk8tZppQY2q7jMipMGHGHbxGwp_O8A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxj549ZKLo%3DiY8X4X6YA1iunWJBcNOj4dg6RNQQ8vjp8iQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxj549ZKLo%3DiY8X4X6YA1iunWJBcNOj4dg6RNQQ8vjp8iQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZophCyi-cMvhWPSYY9YiQaoLT1486_Cq4mEh08MYEOtm9Q%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZophCyi-cMvhWPSYY9YiQaoLT1486_Cq4mEh08MYEOtm9Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxgmu2TA0tEmUMzvthHCXZKo%3DhX_3ps6Vk8yGdQPz83ZiQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CADLnUxgmu2TA0tEmUMzvthHCXZKo%3DhX_3ps6Vk8yGdQPz83ZiQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1130522466.2253800.1716469773151%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1130522466.2253800.1716469773151%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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