Your comments with authentic evidence of documents are welcome but not your opinions and personal perverted ones. If you have the habit of writing just to be a rogue elephant that also you may declare, so that I shall pass on, And if you say , you are defending your prodigal son Gopalakrishnan , then do as I do, wrt his Q and A or another, with authentic materials which is not countered , not only by him, but by anyone. So if learned , I shall learn from you , from other than NAY NAY or else , even if you are 1000 yeAR OLDER, YOU ARE A USELESS BRAG . The material of 8000 verses is a research material accepted by the world and kept in PUNE BHANDARKAR inst. Please do not expose your illiteracy as you are another road-by-passer unless you show your knowledge on record. Age is nothing . Thank you KR IRS 10624
On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 08:44, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > "*The Mahaabhaaratham is an epic. Epics belong to the Smriti tradition > where events were seen, heard, memorised, recited and passed on to the next > generations..... Krishna Dwaipayna Veda Vyas was one of them..... He > composed the Mahabharat. Till date there are twenty eight Vedvyasas......* > *Satyavati **had a son Krishna Dvaiyapayna as a maiden. After > Vichitravirya’s death, Satyavati summoned her son Dvaiyapayna to im**pregnate > stepbrother Vichitravirya’s > wives. Dhritharaashtra and Pandu were born. Vidhur was from a maid."* > > My comments:- > > (1) Epics like Raamaayanam of Vaalmeeki and Mahaabharatham of Vyaasaa > are mere puraanaas -- stories written by humans -- and have nothing to do > with smrithis. > > (2) As mentioned, there were more than a score of "veda-vyaasas". The > composer of the Mahaabhaaratham was one of them. He did not take partin > the splitting of the divine origin Vedic manthrams into r'g, yajur, and > saama -- which were done a yugam previously before the time of Lord Sree > Raama who lived during the thretha-yugam. > > (3) The Vyaasa who composed the Mahaabhaaratham was illegitimate. His > parents were never married. His father was a wandering caste-less aged > ascetic named Paraasara, who hired a boat to cross the Yamuna river. The > rower of the boat was teen-aged Durganthi, adopted by a fisherman. She was > the child of a fish with which a passing gandharva copulated. > > (4) On Durganthi's orders, her illegitimate son Krishna Dvaipaayana -- > black-skinned baby born secretly on an island in the Yamuna River -- > copulated with the two widows of dead king Vichithraveeriyan, i.e. Ambikaa > and Ambaalika, and with Ambaalikaa's maidservant, and produced illegitimate > blind Dhrithiraashtran, illegitimate mottled-skinned Paandu, and > illegitimate Vidhooran respectively. > > "*The original version Jaya**, had eight to ten thousand verses, that > expanded to about forty thousand later and was called Bharat and finally > with one lakh it became Mahabharat. It took the sage, close to three yea**rs > to reach the final version.* > > *Vedavyasa taught this epic to his disciple Vaishampayna and Ugrashrava. > Ugrashrava was an avid storyteller. He came from a family of **charioteers > who doubled up as bards, providing company to the King.*" > My comments:- > > (1) So, the legends -- that (a) Vyaasa compelled Lord Ganesha, the son of > Lord Shiva, to be the amanuensis to take down verbatim the composition, and > (b) that the God, lacking a suitable stylus, broke off the tip of one of > his tusks -- are both false, are both fully corroborated. > > (2) Further, the statements -- that (a) the Mahaabhaaratham was only > 8,000 verses in its first format, and later ballooned to 100,000 verses > over a period of not less that three years, and (b) it was first taught to > "disciple" Ugrashrava, a storyteller and charioteer -- lay wide open the > likelihood that it was improvised, revised, enlarged, amended, corrected, > and re-written many times over, and that materials, whether relevant and > true or not, were invented, interpolated, and assimilated into the saga > freely,, to make the story-telling more dramatic and attractive, and to > appeal to the peculiar likings of the audiences. > > A generous pinch salt is advisable. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 4:46 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> CULTURAL QA 06-2024- 09 >> >> TOPIC – HISTORY. COMPILED FROM QUORA >> >> Q1 What are some of the most mind-blowing facts about U.S. >> history? >> >> A1 Amanda Kevin, Declutter your property images w >> colossis.io15h >> >> The United States of America, land of the free and home of the brave, but >> also home to some downright astonishing historical facts that'll make you >> go "wow, really?!". >> >> For instance, did you know that the Liberty Bell, that iconic symbol of >> American independence, was originally meant to celebrate the 50th >> anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, and wasn't >> actually rung to announce the signing itself? >> >> Talk about a party foul. >> >> The earliest known African American community in the United States, dating >> back to 1619, was founded in Jamestown, Virginia, and was made up of >> enslaved Africans who were forcibly brought over by the British. >> >> Who knew that the roots of African American history in the US went back >> that far? >> >> How about this one - the shortest war in US history, the Anglo-American >> War of 1812, lasted a whole 32 minutes. Yep, that's right, the entire >> war took less time than a lunch break. >> >> Apparently, the Treaty of Ghent, signed on December 24, 1814, didn't >> quite make it to the front lines in time, resulting in a skirmish that >> ended as soon as the Brits found out the war was over. >> >> You think the Pilgrims were the first European settlers in the US? >> >> Think again - the Vikings, led by Leif Erikson, established a settlement >> in present-day Canada around 1000 AD, a whole 500 years before the >> Mayflower landed. >> >> Guess that whole "Columbus discovered America" thing doesn't quite hold >> water anymore. >> >> Ready for another mind-blower? >> >> Did you know that the concept of democracy was actually inspired by the >> Iroquois Confederacy, a Native American nation that predates the US by >> centuries? >> >> Yeah, it turns out those Founding Fathers weren't as original as we >> thought. >> >> Q2 What is a historical event that is rarely mentioned yet >> has great importance? >> >> A2 Silk Road, Fri >> >> It wasn't a spectacle for the history books, this seemingly minor blip on >> the radar of human events. >> >> No epic battles, no fallen empires, no dramatic speeches. >> >> Just a quiet gathering of intellectuals, scribbling away in dimly lit >> rooms, their ideas sparking a revolution that would reshape the very fabric >> of our existence. >> >> 17th-century Europe, a time of religious fervor and intellectual >> upheaval. >> >> The old dogmas were being challenged, the authority of the Church >> questioned, the very nature of reality up for grabs. >> >> In the midst of this ferment, a group of scholars, philosophers, and >> scientists, known as the "Invisible College," were quietly sowing the seeds >> of a new way of thinking. >> >> This wasn't your average book club, mind you. >> >> These were the intellectual rebels of their time, the freethinkers and >> sceptics who dared to challenge the established order. >> >> They met in secret, sharing their ideas and discoveries, fostering a >> spirit of collaboration and inquiry. >> >> Their discussions ranged from astronomy and physics to medicine and >> philosophy, laying the groundwork for the scientific revolution that >> would soon transform the world. >> >> The Invisible College wasn't a formal institution, more like a >> clandestine network of curious minds, united by their thirst for knowledge >> and their willingness to challenge conventional wisdom. >> >> They didn't publish manifestos or issue proclamations, but their >> influence was profound. Their ideas spread like wildfire, igniting the >> imaginations of a generation of thinkers and innovators. >> >> From the Invisible College emerged some of the most influential figures >> of the Enlightenment, including Robert Boyle, Christopher Wren, and Robert >> Hooke. >> >> Their work laid the foundation for modern science, paving the way for >> breakthroughs in medicine, technology, and our understanding of the >> universe. >> >> The spirit of inquiry they fostered, the emphasis on empirical evidence >> and rational thought, continues to shape our world today. >> >> *Q3 Is the Mahabharat a myth or an actual history...?* >> >> A3 Seema Bharti, Author of Mahabharat's Stories Wed >> >> Is Mahabharat a myth, fiction or history ! It is a historical chronicle >> of the many battles and wars that took place during that era. The main >> highlight is the battle at Kurukshetra. It also has the Bhagvad Gita, the >> highest philosophical documentary. >> >> One fact is undisputed. It is an epic. Epics belong to the Smriti >> tradition where events were seen, heard, memorised, recited and passed on >> to the next generations. Later wise men started composing them for >> posterity. Krishna Dwaipayna Veda Vyas was one of them. Veda Vyas means the >> one who classifies the verses. He composed the Mahabharat. >> >> *The epic was not written at one point of time. Different authors kept >> adding events*. Mahabharat is the work of multiple authors, composed by >> Krishna Dvaipayna. >> >> Dvaipayna was born on an island, hence his name Dvipa. Since he was dark, >> he came to be known as Krishna. *Till date there are twenty eight >> Vedvyasas.* The epic is divided into various sections and each section >> is called the parva. >> >> Mahabharta is about the Lunar dynasty. It begins with King Soma followed >> by Puruva, Nashusha and Yayati. When Yayati decided to step down, the >> younger son Puru was made the king while the rest were disinherited, >> including the Yadavas. >> >> While Puru carried the flagship of Lunar Dynasty, his son Dushyant >> married Shakuntala. Poet Kalidas immortalised Dushyant Shakuntala’s saga. >> Bharata was their son. *Bharatvarsh namely India owes its name to him. >> Bharata had a grandson Kuru. Kuru’s grandson was Shantanu.* >> >> Shantanu married Satyavati and had children Chitrangada and >> Vichitravirya. He also had a son Bhishma from marriage to Ganga. Satyavati >> had a son Krishna Dvaiyapayna as a maiden. After Vichitravirya’s death, >> Satyavati summoned her son Dvaiyapayna to impregnate stepbrother >> Vichitravirya’s wives. Dhrithrashtra and Pandu were born. Vidhur was from a >> maid. >> >> In the battle at Kurukshetra, Pandavs were victorious, but five sons of >> Draupadi died and Ghatotkacha, Bhim’s son from Hidimba, Abhimanyu, Arjun’s >> from Subhadra too died . *Abhimanyu’s son Parikshit inherited the throne >> of Hastinapur but was killed by a Naga.* Nagas were forest dwellers. >> They rarely ventured out in the towns. Parikshit had an illustrious son >> Janemajaya. >> >> Mahabharat thus is no fiction. It is a historical document deep into >> philosophy, upholding the objectives of duty, wealth, desires and release >> from the cycle after death. It deals with real life issues like, >> infertility, death, surrogacy, greed, revenge, inheritance and celibacy. >> >> Krishna Dvaipayna VedVyas composed the Mahabharat with a wide treasury of >> verses. Harivamsha is the epilogue to this epic. >> >> The original version Jaya, had eight to ten thousand verses, that >> expanded to about forty thousand later and was called Bharat and finally >> with one lakh it became Mahabharat. It took the sage, close to three years >> to reach the final version. >> >> Vedavyasa taught this epic to his disciple Vaishampayna and Ugrashrava. >> Ugrashrava was an avid storyteller. He came from a family of charioteers >> who doubled up as bards, providing company to the King. >> >> This epic traverses a time span of about one thousand years, from 800BCE >> to 400 AD and is the longest written till date. >> >> Mahabharat has been classified into eighteen sections. Each section has >> many chapters. Each chapter has a number of couplets. *Janemajaya and >> Parikshit are historical figures. They are mentioned in books of history.* >> >> The Hindu Era has been roughly divided into four phases –Satya, Treta, >> Dvapara and Kali. Mahabharat took place in Dvapara and Ramayana in Treta >> phase. Kali phase began with the death of Vasudev Krishna, thirty six years >> after the Kurukshetra War ended. *Archaeological material dates >> Mahabharat to around 900BCE, the period of Iron Age. Kuru kingdom >> flourished between 1200BCE to 800BCE.* >> >> Mahabharat is live and real. It has all shades of human emotions mainly >> grey. >> >> We can identify with them even today. >> >> It is full of real life places like Kurukshetra, Karnal, Dwarka, Gurgaon >> and so on. There were a number of temples erected by the Pandavas while in >> the forest as suggested by archaeological excavations. >> >> The Vrishnis and Yadavas formed a political alliance with the Kurus >> through matrimonial alliance. Vasudev Krishna of the Yadava dynasty was >> Kunti’s nephew. She was the mother of Pandavas. Similarly his half sister >> Subhadra too was married to Arjun. Likewise Pandavas allied with Draupada, >> Draupadi’s father. All these royal alliances helped Yadavas, to defeat >> Jarasandha of Magadh and Shishupal of Chedi . Abhimanyu got into a >> matrimonial alliance with Virata of Matysa kingdom. >> >> In the battle at Kurukshetra, there were the Pandavas with their allies >> Panchala, Kashi, Magadha, Matysa and Chedi. Kouravas had Pragjyotisha, >> Anga, Kekaya, Sindhu, Avanti, Gandhara, Shalva, Bahalika, and Kamboja. >> After the battle the entire geographical expanse came under the Yadavas and >> Pandavas. Kripacharya, Ashvathamma and Kritavarma were the only one who >> survived from the Kourava side. Kauravs lost in the battle. >> >> Q4 What was the process of Winston Churchill becoming Prime >> Minister of Great Britain during World War II? How long did he serve in >> this position? >> >> A4 Christopher Murphy, Lives in Southampton, UK >> (1976–present)Thu >> >> He served from 1940–45. He became Britain’s prime minister because >> Neville chamberlain wasn’t up for the job. He’s blamed for the appeasement >> of Adolf Hitler, he was certainly one of the leading people. >> >> When it was quite clear that he would have to resign he wanted lord >> Halifax to be prime minister, but Halifax didn’t really want it. All I can >> say is, thank god we got Winston Churchill instead of lord Halifax! If >> he had of become PM we would’ve definitely surrendered at Dunkirk. Even >> though he wasn’t PM he tried communicating with the Italians in secret, >> after that he was sent to America and Churchill said he had no place in >> British politics any longer! >> >> Churchil’s speeches inspired the British people, he was a bulldog in a >> politicians clothing. For all his faults - and he had many- he was exactly >> what Britain needed, he inspired us and gave us confidence. A wonderful >> war leader who had no place after the end of the war. >> >> Here’s a cartoon from the time he became prime minister… >> >> “We’re all behind you Winston” was the title.( NOT ADDED) >> >> When Hitler offered Britain terms, this was Winston Churchil’s response… >> >> “Up yours adolf” >> >> “If the British empire and its commonwealth lasts a thousand years, men >> will still say this was their finest hour” >> >> The men of the commonwealth should feel as proud as Britain because >> they were committed on day one of both world wars, and the huge amount of >> help and support from the United States . >> >> Today is D,DAY, this date will resonate through the ages! The men and >> women who made D,DAY possible are my heroes. 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