Narayanasamy lost his eyes; what to do?; I had given all the sources where you can read You have to read narayana KR
On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 at 11:42, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > When insanity reaches its fullness, and comes dribbling uncontrolled out > of the ears, nostrils and other dvaaras of acid-tongued uneducated critic KR > ex-IRS 22624, it emerges as in drain-gutter-sewer ungrammatical broken > English as follows:- > > "*F**rom the authentic Vedas that the structure of the planets and the > geography alone start that namings.*" > > My comments:- > > There are "unauthentic" vedams that the insane idiot has come across? > Which? > > Exactly which of the three vedams -- r'g, yajur, and saama -- and exactly in > which verses do they show the "structure of the planets" and the > "geography" that alone start the namings of newborn children at their > naama-karana samskaarams? > > Can the verses be reproduced in full, please? > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 12:11 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> hELLO pEON OR CLERK AS YOU CALLED YOURSELF OUT OF INFERIORITY COMPLEX AND >> STILL BARKING DAILY. >> I never contradict; both Vedas and Modern science meet at a >> point,unlike quora gossip without any edifice or foundations but having >> individual kid versions which appears as a lesson to you. Keep it with >> yourself. your treasure is only yours as long as it is with you; once made >> public it is a matter for appreciation or thrashing. Brahmin is not one >> only clan. It is multi-faceted; even when you distinguish it as Iyer 123, >> Kerala Iyer Dubai Iyer etc. YOU WANT THAT DIFFERENTIATION; SO TOO THE GRYA >> SUTRAS. So naming Grandfather is in a group of brahmin. And modern children >> do not do it. I dont know what is the school name of your Grandson or that >> of your protectors'? But all can agree as from the authentic Vedas that >> the structure of the planets and the geography alone start that namings. >> Even some names fade out and reappear; some names are seen in one era in >> large numbers. So do not scribe i once punched aas if a good cat. Do not >> write out of jealousy or anger. Read a lot. The Graveyard for all of us is >> so close; so try to learn as much as possible at least now. That will also >> be a prayaschittam for the offences you committed in the office. Why would >> it matter whether you are a peon or clerk as only told by you? I call you K >> I D AND MORE THAN YOU CONNECTED KRISHNAA AND DRAUPATI DID I DO? >> COPULATION IS THE OPEN WORD IN SANSKRIT USED WHICH YOU UTTER AS MANTRA; AND >> BECAUSE YOU SAY IN eNGLISH WILL IT CHANGE?; AND BECAUSE YOU UTTER IN >> SANSKRIT IN PUBLIC IT IS ANOTHER? WHATEVER SIRSASANA YOU DO , YOU ONLY >> WILL GET HURT. ONLY YOUR NOSE BLEEDS; AND ALL LAUGH FROM AT A DISTANCE. >> KR IRS 22624 >> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 at 10:43, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Mr Rajaram, >>> >>> *You are contradicting yourself.* >>> >>> At one place you are quoting old books and puranas and ithihasas and >>> books as reference. At another point you are talking about the modern >>> culture as base.* When I write pithru and not pitu you quote old books >>> and meanings holding pitu was correct. * >>> >>> *When I quote the procedure still vouge among Brahmins, you quote >>> naming modern names.* >>> >>> I don't think among smartha Brahmins any sasthrikal will agree to put >>> modern names to children. During Namakarana, they will ask grand father's >>> name and ask the father to tell it three times in the born's ear during >>> namakarana. >>> >>> I am not sure about Thenkalai and vadakalai Vaishnava iyengar procedures. >>> *Perhaps >>> among thenkalai iyengars , your priests may permit modern names, since you >>> write always only authentic matters.* >>> >>> Mr Rajaram, calling intllegent persons above your calibre with bad >>> names, write satirical about them, will not increase your ethics. Always >>> think the coin has two sides. >>> >>> There is no other foolish member other than you writing something wrong >>> and argue, what you wrote is correct. >>> >>> I pity a person aged 79, argues badly on a wrong point. >>> >>> Don't think you are the only person intellegent in the group. Others too >>> have good or more intellegence. >>> >>> How dare were you to call me a peon? Every person can write satirical . >>> You recollect you were a daily worker in the incometax office before >>> becoming peon,and later clerk. >>> >>> Gopalakrishnan >>> >>> On Saturday, 22 June, 2024 at 08:51:27 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Science says when sugar shoots high eyes dont read properly >>> nor the brain understands: so it happened to Gopala. He wrote CP to teach >>> him etc and also self blown himself with the bad words. Why because it was >>> in the article : >>> >>> Namkarana (Name-giving) >>> >>> "Based on the arrangement of the constellations at birth, the child is >>> named on a day fixed by caste tradition. In the Hindu Dharma, the child is >>> frequently named after an avatar, deity, sacred place or river, saint, >>> etc., as a constant reminder of the sacred values for which that name >>> represents. In the Swaminarayan Sampraday, the devotees approach Pramukh >>> Swami Maharaj or the other senior sadhus to name their children." (and >>> there are many more sampradayas which I did not mention. ) >>> >>> After all One aviveki Gopala, who in his worthless Q and A , C P >>> tied from low level Quora , does not know in Indian Brahmin groups all are >>> available, but only learns for the first time at 80, as mind blowing etc >>> from the foreign market . should not have written, so unmindfully. Thatha >>> grandfather name etc had gone with the present 80 year old generation. 90% >>> of the grandchildren of the group members' eldest Grandsons would not have >>> been named after the grandfather name at all. So I wrote that it is named >>> after so many including Gods; and according to customs also. that word he >>> omitted with his little brain as usual nose bleeding. >>> >>> Nāmakaraṇa (नामकरण) refers to the ceremony of “naming the child” and >>> represents one of the sixteen saṃskāras, or “ceremonies” accompanying the >>> individual during the Gṛhastha (householder) stage of the Āśrama way of >>> life. These ceremonies (e.g., nāmakaraṇa-saṃskāra) are community affairs >>> >>> Nāmakaraṇa (नामकरण) refers to the “ritual of naming the new-born” and >>> represents one of the eighteen bodily rituals (śārīraka-saṃskāras) >>> mentioned in the Vaikhānasagṛhyasūtra (viz., vaikhānasa-gṛhya-sūtra) which >>> belongs to the Taittirīya school of the Black Yajurveda >>> (kṛṣṇayajurveda).—The original Gṛhyasūtra of Vaikhanāsa consists of eleven >>> chapters or “praśnas”. Each praśna is subdivided into sub-divisions called >>> “khaṇḍa”. But only the first seven chapters deal with actual Gṛhyasūtra >>> section. Of these, the first three chapters dealing with the bodily rituals >>> [viz., Nāmakaraṇa].{Rest of the communities therefore differs in >>> sampradayas; and if Gopala did not know about it please dont hit him hard >>> below the belt .} >>> >>> Chapter 1 - The Ceremonials observed in Childhood Part 4 - Some >>> Aspects of Life in Caraka’s Times >>> >>> The man’s journey from cradle to grave consists of so many interesting >>> stages of activity that a picture of this journey as it was in ancient >>> India will give us a clear and connected view of life the ancients actually >>> lived, the manners and customs and the ideas and ideals which motivated >>> people s activities >>> >>> Soon after the child was declared born into this world and he had passed >>> through accoucheuse’s routine procedure of cleansing and the severing of >>> the umbilical cord—the last connecting link of the fetus with the mother’s >>> body, the first socio religious ceremony he had to pass through was >>> Jatakarma (jātakarma) ceremony. (Carakasaṃhitā Śārīrasthāna 8.46) >>> >>> KR {I think Narayanasamy version is followed in the west where you >>> have to name the child ready without any ceremony and the records do not >>> say 'as child of the mother name" as written in India ; and later after a >>> couple of days named as Jatakaratna; jataka written then or even later}. >>> >>> For the first ten or twelve days special precautions and protective >>> measures were taken including (śānti, svasti) etc., i.e., peace, >>> benedictory rites etc., for the child as well as for the mother. >>> (Carakasaṃhitā Śārīrasthāna 8.47) >>> >>> On the tenth day the naming ceremony or Namakarana-samskara >>> (nāmakaraṇa-saṃskāra) was performed. >>> >>> The procedure followed was as under:— >>> >>> The mother and the new born child bathed in water treated with fragrant >>> drugs; put on thin clean garments, light and variegated ornaments and >>> received the blessing of Brahmins. After this the child was given two names >>> by the father, one denoting the constellation under which it was born and >>> the other of intended meaning. The name was not selected in a haphazard way >>> but it had to conform to several prescribed rules, one of which being, the >>> name conforming to the constellation at birth, was in order to enable to >>> cast his horoscope from the mere name of the child. (Carakasaṃhitā >>> Śārīrasthāna 8.50) >>> >>> KR KR never writes wrong onfo like Gopala does and also never >>> blabbers like Gopala or Narayana. Constellation importance written by >>> Gopala's grand grand grand grand grand....grand parent. Does it require >>> bleeding your nose gopala? >>> >>> After this ceremony a thorough examination was made of each individual >>> part of the child’s body to determine the life-span of the child. This was >>> based on the physiognomical and anthropological measurements. >>> >>> Hair, skin, head, forhead, joints, ears, eye-brows, eyes nose, mouth, >>> tongue, palate, voice, lips, jaws, neck, chest, collar, spine, breast, >>> thighs, arms, fingers, navel, buttocks, wrist, ankles etc., were examined >>> to arrive at the appraisement of the measure of the life span of the new >>> born child. (Carakasaṃhitā Vimānasthāna 8.51) >>> >>> The mother’s milk was considered to be the best for a child but human >>> nature was not very different then from now and it seems the custom of >>> having a wet-nurse (dhātrī) at least in the aristocratic class was >>> prevalent. Great care was taken in selecting a wet-nurse. A minute and >>> thorough examination was carried out not only as regards the age, caste, >>> colour, family, race, character etc, of the woman but even of the size and >>> shape of the breasts and the nipples and of her milk. >>> >>> The detailed care and attention they paid to the selection of the >>> wet-nurse indicates the importance they attached to the influence of the >>> nurture on the qualities of the future man >>> >>> The life span is a continuously progressive process of development but >>> for practical purposes it can be divided into fairly well-marked divisions >>> Caraka describes three broad divisions of life viz, childhood (bālya), >>> middle age (madhya) and senescence (jīrṇāvasthā). The first stage or >>> chilhood (kumārāvasthā) lasts upto 16 years, followed by adolescent stage >>> or (yauvana) lasting upto 30 years. The second is the middle or stage >>> lasting for a period of 30 years from the age of 31 to 60 years. Then >>> follows the third and the last stage of senescence or (jīrṇavasthā) which >>> gradually carries the man to the grave. >>> >>> Kr Grandfather naming is nowhere seen; it is custom; so today our >>> children truly follow what was said. >>> >>> K Rajaram IRS 22624 I won't HA HA HA as if wisdom laughs idiot will >>> get a step one high. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 at 04:02, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Respected sir, >>> >>> What a blunder the copy paste Rajaram has committed in a simple >>> samskara. Being a Brahmin does he not know, how naming of children are >>> done? Is it simply naming of avatars of Gods? When there are more children, >>> the last ones only named after Gods. >>> >>> The first son is named after the paternal Grandfather and second son >>> after the maternal grandfather. Similarly the first daughter is named after >>> paternal grand mother and second daughter after maternal grand mother. Ayyo >>> kashtam. >>> >>> Not only Brahmins, all Hindus knows it. As long as there are a few >>> playing jalra to him, he will continue copy paste and they will appreciate >>> ha ha ha, how knowlegeble is Rajaram. >>> >>> *Those correct him, he will abuse matapayal, porumpokku, >>> thevidiyappayal.* He will never appreciate correction. I have never >>> seen a person like Mr Rajaram who is having no ethic and culture. >>> He knows only call others well knowing as bogus qualified, peon etc. How >>> much time it will take to call him peon in an income tax office. In order >>> to prevail a calm atmosphere, I am not responding to him. He takes >>> advantage of it and make all satirical remarks. >>> Gopalakrishnan >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 22 June, 2024 at 01:50:42 pm IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear folks >>> >>> The uninitiated, unlearned, uneducated ex-taxcollector and >>> current rubbish-collector K Rajaram ex-IRS 22624 is once again >>> displaying for public scrutiny his colossal ignorance in a failed attempt >>> to persuade the unwary that he knows something when in fact he knows >>> nothing.. >>> >>> This time he tries to sermonise on samskaarams, while treading on a sea >>> of quicksand, and gets sucked under because of his easily exposed lies and >>> toxic misrepresentations. >>> >>> For example:- >>> >>> (1) *jaatha-karmam*. Exactly what it says, i.e. determining the >>> baby's horoscope (jaathakam) by ascertaining the relative positions of the >>> celestial bodies when the child's head is sighted. >>> >>> (2) *naama-karanam*. Again, exactly what it says: i.e. giving the >>> newborn a suitable name, normally the name of the paternal grandfather if a >>> boy or of the paternal grandmother if a girl. Or the name of a revered >>> deity. >>> >>> (3) *anna-praashanam*. Chorunnu in Malayalam. First solid food given >>> ceremonially to the baby. A little gold spoonful of well-cooked white >>> rice, mixed with boiled cow's milk and a little drop of honey is >>> administered to the baby, to the accompaniment of the relevant manthrams. >>> >>> (4) *chooda-karmam*. Babies are sometimes born with hair, or quickly >>> grow a fuzz on their heads soon after. The one-year-old baby boy has this >>> fuzz shaved off, given a bath, given a forehead mark in the form of a black >>> dot, and wrapped in new swaddling cloth. >>> >>> (5) *karna-vedham*. This sacrificial act of ear-piercing is performed >>> for both boy and girl babies, is primarily to protect them from "evil >>> eyes", and also to ward off illnesses. Normally done when the baby is one >>> year old. A thin gold ring is inserted through each hole. >>> >>> (6) *vidhya-aarambam*. Beginning of child's education. Unhusked rice >>> or husked white rice is spread on a large flat plate. The child's father >>> sits facing east with the five-year-old child on his lap. The father uses >>> the child's right index to write on the grains:- >>> >>> (a) shree mahaa ganapathaye namaha, >>> (b) devee sarasvathaye namaha; >>> (c) sarvebhyo devathaabhyo namaha. >>> >>> (7) *upanayanam*. Perhaps the most crucial of all the samskaarams. >>> >>> The eight-year-old to fifteen-year-old boy is formally and ceremonially >>> invested with the sacred thread running over his left shoulder, crossing >>> his head and chest, and reaching to the right part of his hip. This triple >>> thread consists of (a) a three-fold fine gold ribbon, (b) a three-fold fine >>> silver ribbon, (c) a three-fold copper ribbon, and (d) a three-fold white >>> cotton thread. >>> >>> He is then subjected to an oral examination where the significance and >>> importance of the whole ceremony is explained to him, and questions put to >>> him >>> to make sure he understands the rules, duties and obligations of a >>> braahmana. He undertakes to abide by those rules and carry out those >>> duties and obligations. >>> >>> Then, to the loud and clamorous beating of gongs, bells and drums, the >>> loud sounds of naathasvaram and other pipes, the boy, his father, and the >>> officiating priest, all wearing proper attire, normally silk, gather under >>> a special tent consisting of a large 9-yard silk veshti. The priest >>> pronounces the vedic manthram thrice, which the father teaches to the boy, >>> while his mother stands just outside the tent. >>> >>> And the three emerge, to the cheers, clapping, and other welcoming >>> gestures of the assembled braahmanas and their families. >>> >>> The boy is then taught the maahdyaahnika sandhya vandana and sandhya >>> gaayathree manthrams, and performs the soorya darshanam through the gap in >>> the crossed fingers of both hands. >>> >>> The boy then goes on a biksha-seeking yaathra. The first donor is his >>> own mother, followed by other married ladies (with children) . He tenders >>> the collected biksha to his vaadhyaar as dakshina. >>> >>> He then has his first meal as a brahmachaari, together with another boy >>> who is already a brahmachaari, and learns the important bhojana manthrams >>> including the praana-aahuthis.. >>> >>> (8) *veda-aarambham*. Starting veda studies. Once he has >>> successfully undergone upanayanam, the boy is qualified to proceed to study >>> the shaaka of the veda his ancestors belonged to, This he does under the >>> guidance of a competent, devoted and reliable guru at home, or joins a >>> paata-shaala. >>> >>> Full-time study takes a minimum of eight years; part-time takes more >>> than three times that, and is a lifelong commitment. >>> >>> (9) *samavarththanam*. Graduation. On completion of his Vedic >>> studies, the boy seeks the permission of his guru (or of his father if he >>> studied at home) to perform the whole-body-immersion bath at a temple's >>> pool or in a river or at sea to show that he has successfully completed his >>> studies. >>> >>> (Before doing so, he should tender guru-dakshanai to his guru, according >>> to his own ability. Sometimes this consists of a full set of 9-yard silk >>> veshti-uttareeyam, plus a full brass chombu of sacred water decorated with >>> a garland, with mango leaves, and a coconut with kudumi (called a >>> poorna-kumbham), and a gold ring or a gold chain.) >>> >>> (10) *vivaaham*. Marriage. It is highly desirable and recommended, >>> but not compulsory, for a learned brahmachaari, to marry and become a >>> gruhastha (householder). >>> >>> The choice is limited to a virgin of his own varnam, but not of his own >>> gothram. >>> The reason is that, spiritually, all members of the same gothram are >>> siblings, their male ancestors having had their vedic education from the >>> guru/rishi whose name they permananently identify with. >>> >>> (11) *anthiyeshti kramam*. These are last rites for a braahmana, >>> whether man or woman. The core of this samskaaramm involves the proper >>> preparation of the dead body for cremation, and its cremation (by the first >>> son) on a pyre of dry wood using the gruhasthaa-agni which was lit at the >>> marriage of the deceased and was used for his twice-daily aupaasana >>> agniothram. >>> >>> *Note:- The wholly shoodra Swaami Naaraayan sampradaayam has no >>> relevance at all to the practice of braahmanas.* >>> >>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:59 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> SANATANA DHARMA PART 58 KRAJARAM IRS 21624 22624 >>> >>> Childhood Samskaras >>> >>> (4) Jatakarma (Birth rituals) >>> >>> These rituals are performed at the birth of the child. It is believed >>> that the moon hasa special effect on the newly born. In addition, the >>> constellation of the planets - nakshatras - also determine the degree of >>> auspiciousness. If birth occurs during an inauspicious arrangement, the >>> jatakarmas are performed to ward off their detrimental effects on the >>> child. The father would also request the Brahmanishtha Satpurush for >>> blessings. >>> >>> (5) Namkarana (Name-giving) >>> >>> Based on the arrangement of the constellations at birth, the child is >>> named on a day fixed by caste tradition. In the Hindu Dharma, the child is >>> frequently named after an avatar, deity, sacred place or river, saint, >>> etc., as a constant reminder of the sacred values for which that name >>> represents. >>> >>> In the Swaminarayan Sampraday, the devotees approach Pramukh Swami >>> Maharaj or the other senior sadhus to name their children. >>> >>> (6) Nishkrama (First outing) In the third month the child is allowed >>> agni (fire) and chandra (moon) darshan. In the fourth month he is taken out >>> of the house for the first time, by the father or maternal uncle, to the >>> mandir for the Lord's darshan >>> >>> The SixteenSamskarasPart - 2 >>> >>> (7) Annaprashan (First feeding) >>> >>> Feeding the child with solid food is the next important samskara. For a >>> son this is done in even months - the 6th, 8th, 10th or 12th months. For a >>> daughter this is done in odd months - 5th, 7th or 9th months. The food >>> offered is cooked rice with ghee. >>> >>> Some sutras advocate honey to be mixed with this. >>> >>> By advocating this samskara, the wise sages accomplished two important >>> considerations. First, the child is weaned away from the mother at a proper >>> time. >>> >>> Second, it warns the mother to stop breast feeding the child. For, an >>> uninformed mother, many out of love, continue breast feeding the child, >>> without realising that she was not doing much good to herself or the child. >>> >>> (8) Chudakarma (Chaul) (Shaving of head) >>> >>> This samskara involves shaving the head (of a son) in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd >>> or 5th year, or when initiating him with the janoi (Upanayan). According to >>> Sushrut, the significance of this, together with nail cutting, is to give >>> delight, lightness, prosperity, >>> >>> courage and happiness (Chikitsasthan. Ch. 24-72). Charak also voiced a >>> similar opinion. >>> >>> In the Swaminarayan Sampraday, the son is first taken to Pramukh Swami >>> Maharaj, or senior sadhus, who clip a tuft of hair. The remaining hair is >>> shaved off shortly afterwards. >>> >>> A tuft of hair (shikha, chotli) is left in place at the top of the head >>> for longevity. Sushrut points out its significance, "Inside the head, near >>> the top, is the joint of a shira (artery) and a sandhi (critical juncture). >>> There, in the eddy of hairs, is a vital spot called the adhipati >>> (overlord). Any injury to this part causes sudden death" >>> >>> (Sharirsthan Ch. VI, 83). In the course of time, the shikha was regarded >>> as a symbol of the Hindu Dharma and its removal came to be regarded as a >>> grave sin (Laghu Harita IV). >>> >>> (9) Karnavedh (Piercing the earlobes) >>> >>> The child's ear lobes are pierced either on the 12th or 16th day; or >>> 6th, 7th or 8th month; or 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th or 9th year. Sushrut >>> reasoned, "The ears of a child should be pierced for protection (from >>> diseases such as hydrocoele and hernia) and decoration (Sharirasthan >>> Ch.16.1, Chikitsasthan Ch.19.21). One sutra says that a goldsmith should >>> pierce the ears while Sushrut advocates a surgeon. For a boy, the right >>> earlobe is pierced first and for a girl, the left. For boys today, this >>> samskara is only prevalent in some states of India. In girls, this samskara >>> has lost its religious Educational Samskaras >>> >>> (10) Vidyarambh (Learning the alphabet) >>> >>> This samskara is also known as Akshararambha, Aksharlekhan, >>> Aksharavikaran andEducationally Aksharavishkaran. >>> >>> It is performed at the age of five and is necessary before commencing >>> Vedic study -Vedarambh. After bathing, the child sits facing west, while >>> the acharya (teacher) sits facing east. >>> >>> Saffron and rice are scattered on a silver plank. With a gold or silver >>> pen the child is made to write letters on the rice. The following phrases >>> are written: "Salutation to Ganesh, salutation to Sarasvati (goddess of >>> knowledge), salutation to family deities and salutation to Narayan and >>> Lakshmi." The child then writes, "Aum Namah Siddham". He then presents >>> gifts to the acharya, such as a pagh and safo (head adornment of cloth). >>> The acharya then blesses the child. >>> >>> (11) Upanayan (Yagnopavit) (Sacred thread initiation) >>> >>> At the age of eight the son is initiated by the acharya with the sacred >>> thread, known as janoi or yagnopavit. Amongst all the foregoing samskaras >>> this is regarded as supreme. It is the dawn of a new life, hence dvija - >>> twice born. The child enters studentship and a life of perfect discipline >>> which involves brahmacharya (celibacy). >>> >>> He leaves the guardianship of his parents to be looked after by the >>> acharya. This samskara is performed by Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas, >>> for both boys and girls. Therefore, both the boy and girl received training >>> in discipline, truthful living and physical service. During the course of >>> time this samskara ceased to be given to girls, who thus failed to be >>> formally educated. Today, the tradition of education underlying this >>> samskara has died out. Upanayan only functions to bestow dvijatva to the >>> son. >>> >>> Upa means 'near.' Nayan means 'to take (him) to,' i.e. to take the son >>> to the teacher. Like the parents, the acharya will mold the student with >>> love and patience into a man of character. He will inculcate in him the >>> invaluable knowledge of the Vedas. This is the second meaning of Upanayan. >>> Among all the cultural systems of the world, none have advocated such a >>> lofty and stringent ideal for studentship than this Hindu samskara. If a >>> student sincerely observes this samskara, he will turn into a successful >>> scholar. Added to this, during this period, he receives from the acharya, a >>> strong background for the householder's life he will later enter. >>> >>> Today, it is obviously not feasible to stay at the acharya's house. But >>> the next best equivalent is to enter a chhatralay - boarding school. The >>> discipline involved infuses in the student a fortitude generally not >>> possible at home. >>> >>> Whereas students wear one janoi, householders could wear two; one for >>> himself and one for his wife. >>> >>> The three strings of the janoi denote the three gunas - sattva >>> (reality), rajas (passion), and tamas (darkness). They also remind the >>> wearer that he has to pay off the three debts he owes to the seers, >>> ancestors and gods. The three strings are tied by a knot known as the >>> brahmagranthi which symbolises Brahma (creator), Vishnu (sustainer) and >>> Shiva (leveller). >>> >>> One important significance of wearing the janoi is that the wearer would >>> be constantly aware of the different deities which the threads represented. >>> Therefore, he would be vigilant prior to any action not in accordance >>> with the Dharma Shastras.s >>> >>> (12) Vedarambh (Beginning Vedic study) >>> >>> This samskara was not mentioned in the earliest lists of the Dharma >>> Sutras, which instead listed the four Vedic vows - Ved Vrats. It seemed >>> that though upanayana marked the beginning of education, it did not >>> coincide with Vedic study. Therefore a separate samskara was felt necessary >>> to initiate Vedic study. In this samskara, each student, according to his >>> lineage, masters his own branch of the Vedas. >>> >>> (13) Keshant (Godaan) (Shaving the beard) >>> >>> This samskara is included as one of the four Ved Vrats. When the other >>> three faded, keshant itself became a separate samskara. 'Kesh' means hair >>> and 'ant' means end. >>> >>> This samskara involves the first shaving of the beard by the student at >>> the age of sixteen. It is also called Godaan because it involves gifting a >>> cow to the acharya and gifts to the barber. >>> >>> Since the student now enters manhood he is required to be more vigilant >>> over his impulses of youth. To remind him of his vow of brahmacharya, he is >>> required to take the vow anew; to live in strict continence and austere >>> discipline for one year. >>> >>> (14) Samavartan (End of Studentship) >>> >>> This samskara is performed at the end of the brahmacharya phase - the >>> end of studentship. 'Sama vartan' meant 'returning home from the house of >>> the acharya.' >>> >>> This involves a ritual sacrificial bath known as Awabhruth Snan. It is >>> sacrificial because it marks the end of the long observance of >>> brahmacharya. It is a ritual bath because it symbolises the crossing of the >>> ocean of learning by the student – hencebecause Vidyasnaatak - one who has >>> crossed the ocean of learning. In Sanskrit literature, >>> >>> learning is compared to an ocean. >>> >>> Before the bath, the student has to obtain permission from the acharya >>> to end his studentship and give him guru-dakshina - tuition fees. >>> Permission is necessary because it certifies the student as a person fit in >>> learning, habit and character for a married life. Obviously, the student is >>> not in a position to pay fees. One Sutra describes the debt of the teacher >>> as unpayable, "Even the earth containing the seven continents is not >>> sufficient for the guru-dakshina." But the formality is a required courtesy >>> and the acharya says, "My child, enough with money. I am satisfied with thy >>> merits." He would elaborate with the impressive statements, known as >>> Dikshant Pravachan, noted in the Taittiriya Upanishad (I.11). >>> >>> Those students who wished to remain as lifelong students observing >>> brahmacharya would remain with the acharya. Today, this means accepting a >>> spiritual guru – an Ekantik Satpurush and becoming a sadhu. The student >>> thus bypasses the next two ashrams, to enter sannyas. >>> >>> The Sixteen Samskaras Part - 3 >>> >>> Marriage >>> >>> (15) Vivaha >>> >>> This is the most important of all the Hindu Samskaras. The Smrutis laud >>> the gruhastha (householder) ashram as the highest, for it is the central >>> support of the other three ashrams. >>> >>> Manu enjoins, "Having spent the first quarter of one's life in the >>> guru's house, the second quarter in one's own house with the wife, and the >>> third quarter in the forest, one should take sannyas in the fourth, casting >>> away every worldly tie." (Manu Smruti IV.1). By marriage an individual is >>> able to achieve the four purusharths (endeavors) of life: dharma >>> (righteousness), artha (wealth), kama (desire) and moksha (salvation). He >>> is also able to pay off ancestral debt by having children. Procreation >>> >>> for children is also a primary purpose of marriage. >>> >>> In addition to being a religious sacrament, Hindu marriage is also >>> regarded as an important social institution. For developing a stable and >>> ideal society, marriage has been regarded as an essential element in all >>> cultures of the world. A society without loyal marital ties tends to >>> degrade. It is said that promiscuity was one reason for the downfall of the >>> Romans. By marriage, both an individual and society, while remaining within >>> the moral norms, can progress together. Simultaneously it does not cause >>> harm to others nor infringe upon one's independence. This samskara boosts >>> cultural values and dharma. It upholds and promotes moral righteousness and >>> self-control. >>> >>> Types of Marriages >>> >>> In the Hindu scriptures there are eight types mentioned. In the Manu >>> Smruti (iii.21) they are divided into two groups: (i) the morally approved >>> (prashasta) and (ii) the disapproved (aprashasta). >>> >>> (i) Prashasta >>> >>> (a) Braahm: This is the purest type. It was so called because it was >>> thought fit for >>> >>> Brahmins. In this the girl is given by the father, with such ornaments >>> that he can afford, to a man of character and learning, whom he has invited >>> voluntarily and received respectfully, without taking anything in exchange >>> (Manu Smruti, iii.17). The Smrutis consider this type as the most >>> honorable, as it is free from physical force, lust, imposition of >>> conditions and lure of money. Social decency and religious considerations >>> are fully taken into account. >>> >>> (b) Daiva: This is the next type, inferior to the Braahm. In this, the >>> girl is ornamented and given away by the father to a priest who officiates >>> at a yagna (sacrifice). It is called Daiva since the gift is made on the >>> occasion of a Daiva yagna. This method was prevalent among the first three >>> Hindu classes. This type has faded, for it is considered improper to offer >>> a girl to a priest. >>> >>> (c) Aarsh: In this method the father of the bride received a pair or two >>> of kine – a cow and an ox or two cows and two oxen - from the bridegroom >>> for the purpose of a yagna which formed a part of a religious ritual. The >>> pair of kine was not the bride's price. This method was known as Aarsh >>> because it was prevalent among the priestly families. Nonetheless, >>> according to the Manu Smruti (iii.53) accepting a gift, small or large, >>> amounts to a sale. >>> >>> (d) Prajapatya: This involves the father giving away his daughter to a >>> suitor with the specific understanding that they both perform their civic >>> and religious duties together. The name Prajapatya suggests that the couple >>> enter the bond for discharging their duties to Prajapati i.e. for >>> procreating and raising children. >>> >>> From the Western point of view this type of marriage may be regarded >>> satisfactory because the rights of the husband and wife are equally well >>> secured. But from the view of the Hindu shastras, it is inferior to the >>> first three. This is because the daughter is given subject to mundane >>> conditions. Hence the 'gift' cannot truly be regarded as free. >>> >>> As a point of interest, Kautilya in his Arthashastra prohibited divorce >>> for the four Prashasta marriages. >>> >>> Now we shall consider the four types of marriage which are not approved >>> by the scriptures >>> >>> .(ii) Aprashasta >>> >>> (e) Asura: The Manu Smruti (iii.31) defines this as, "Where the husband >>> having paid money to the relations of the bride and the bride herself, >>> accepts her out of free will." >>> >>> The main consideration in this kind of marriage is money and it is, in >>> reality, a purchase. Manu condemns it, "The learned father of the girl >>> should not accept even the least amount of price. Accepting the price out >>> of greed, he becomes the seller of children." (Manu Smruti, iii.51.) The >>> Aitareya Brahmana (I.16) brands this type as pashuvivaha - animal marriage. >>> Today this form of marriage is still prevalent in certain sec ions of Hindu >>> society where a dowry is demanded by the bridegroom's >>> >>> father from the bride's father. Public opinion has begun to frown upon >>> dowry. >>> >>> Religious and social leaders have been rallying against it. Pramukh >>> Swami Maharaj has always condemned it. During the International Youth >>> Festival at Vallabh Vidyanagar in 1990, he inspired 21,000 young men and >>> women to take a vow of refusing dowry. To those who cannot afford the >>> marriage costs, he arranges mass dowry-free marriages during grand >>> festivals and yagnas. >>> >>> (f) Gandharva: According to Manu, "Where the bride and bridegroom meet >>> each other of their own accord and the union is consummated in passion, >>> that form is called Gandharva." (Manu Smruti, iii.32.) The name Gandharva >>> is derived from a tribe of that name living in the Himalayas, in which it >>> was a common occurrence. It was more prevalent among the Kshatriyas as they >>> represented the freest element in society. The majority of the lawgivers >>> discouraged it on religious and moral grounds. >>> >>> It was regarded as inferior to the first five forms because it was >>> performed without sacred rituals and it originated from passion, a factor >>> which seemed to be tenuous. >>> >>> (g) Rakshas: Manu says, "Capture of a girl by force while she is crying, >>> having killed, scattered and injured her relatives, is called Rakshas >>> Vivaha." (Manu Smruti, iii.21.) This usually occurred during war or >>> political upheavals. The Kshatriyas usually practised this since they >>> participated in war and obtained women as war booties. The word rakshas >>> means demonic. >>> >>> (h) Paishach: This is the least approved. Manu (iii.34) defines this as, >>> "Cohabiting with a girl in loneliness when she is sleepy, mad or >>> intoxicated." Obviously, this was the most uncivilized and barbaric method. >>> Paishach means 'of witches'. The Hindu Marriage - Beliefs And Sentiments >>> The Hindu marriage system is described as a religious and social >>> institution. More important is that it is a union of two spirits rather >>> than just two individuals. To consider this metaphysically, an individual >>> is made up of three bodies: physical - composed of matter (sthul), subtle - >>> composed of mind (sukshma) and causal - composed of the jiva (karan). The >>> Vedic marriage is a union between all the three - matter with matter, mind >>> with mind and jiva with jiva. With its sacramental vows, the couple embark >>> on a journey together to attain the four objectives (purusharths) of life. >>> During this journey the couple satisfy their desires - to earn, to beget >>> children, and to serve society. Added to this, they follow the path of >>> bhakti (devotion) and discover the divinity within themselves, of Brahman >>> and Parabrahman. This is reflected in one of the rites during the ceremony. >>> Mantras are chanted to invoke Narayan in the bridegroom and Lakshmi in the >>> bride. The parents, relatives and everyone present then bow to them. The >>> union is between god and goddess, nottwo material bodies. The underlying >>> injunction to the couple is, "You are not the body, but atma." >>> >>> Regarding each other as the atma is the fundamental basis of a Vedic >>> marriage. It is unique in all the world's cultures - which primarily >>> observe the Gandharva system based on passion. This understanding is all >>> the more important in marital discord. >>> >>> At the root of any marital discord lies intolerance due to body >>> consciousness and one's ego - the 'I' and 'mine'. If the couple is united >>> by atma for a common, ultimate goal, moksha, then 'I' and 'you' cease to >>> exist. This is because 'I' and 'you' are empirically atma. And when 'I' and >>> 'you' are believed to be atma, where is the conflict that would otherwise >>> arise from selfish motives and desires? Therefore, in a Hindu marriage when >>> conflicts and differences arise, they can be easily resolved. >>> >>> The couple consider each other as the atma, for the atma is pure, >>> genderless, ageless, and inherently divine. Vivaha itself means 'to lift, >>> to support, to uphold, to sustain'. Admittedly, both spouses have to make >>> sacrifices and efforts to imbibe this lofty philosophy. It is not an >>> overnight process, more a lifelong, sacred commitment. >>> >>> It is this philosophy which has made the Vedic marriage a grand success >>> for thousands of years. 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