Narayanasamy an empty drum can make so much of sound, why couldn't a learned Vyasa ? Your character in itself is immersed in H2s and sinking from Singapore and you unashamedly speak ill of Vyasa. Is there any puja for you? I doubt even a srdham for you may not. So shut your dwaras and rest. Dayananda Saraswathy could write a treatise on Rigvedam partly; but what could you do?.Bull-shitters cannot build air-palaces. You only call all by bad names means you are an absolute pervert. Your write up does not contribute a dime. Thank you Narayana koo-muttai KR
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 at 22:36, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > The Sathyarth Prakash, a rebellious treatise written by revolutionary > Dayaananda alias Mool Shankar Tiwari), the founder of Arya Samaj, is a > completely unauthorised text extolling the virtues of sin, sex, incest, > cross-cultural abominations and prohibited encounters such as (1) secret > sexual union of illegitimate fish-born, fish-stinking youthful Durganthi > and casteless wandering aged ascetic Paraasara, (2) triple rape/adultery of > illegitimate son Vyaasa born of such union with issue-less dead king > Vichithraveeryan's widows Ambikaa and Ambaalikaa, and (3) illegitimate > birth of blind Dhrithitraashtra, mottled-skin Paandu, and with Ambaalikaa's > maid-servant resultingn in birth of illegitimate Vidoora. > > As background to justify vowed celibate illegitimate Vyaasa's multiple > rapes/adulteries, Dayaananda extols the birth of the Pancha Paandavas and > Karna to different women through impregnation by distamt deities such as > the Sun, Yama Dharma Raaja, Vaayu, Indra, and the Ashvini twins. > > (This compares with the Blessed Virgin Mary who was impregnated by the > Holy Ghost of the Christians, and who produced five sons (including Jesus > Christ) and three or more daughters.) > > Dayanand also extols Draupathi's polyandry: having five husbands > simultaneously, i.e. the younger five of the six Paandavas. > > All this only goes to emphasise the absolute unfitness of illegitimate > Vyaasa's mahaa-bhaaratham for paaraayanam in Brahmin households. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 9:34 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> PART 2 15724 1674 >> >> The material from serial no. 120 to 149 of the fourth chapter of >> ‘Satyarth Prakash’ is related to the subject of remarriage and Niyog. It is >> written that >> >> Remarriage should never take place among the Dwijs i.e. Brahmin, >> Kshatriya and Vaishya castes. (4-121) >> >> Swami ji has also listed some drawbacks of remarriage such as – >> >> (1) With the permission of remarriage, a man can leave a woman and a >> woman can leave a man and marry another woman. >> >> (2) In the event of the death of the wife, if the man marries again, then >> there will be a quarrel among the family members regarding the belongings >> of the former wife, etc., and if the woman marries again in the event of >> the death of the husband, then there will be a quarrel among the family >> members regarding the belongings of the former husband, etc. >> >> (3) If a man and a woman marry a second time, their pativrat and strivrat >> dharma will be destroyed. >> >> (4) No bachelor shall marry a widow and no virgin shall marry a widow. If >> someone does so, it will be injustice and adharma. In such a situation, the >> man and the woman will need Niyoga and this is dharma. (4-134) >> >> Someone asked Swami Ji that if either the man or the woman dies and they >> do not have any children, then if they do not remarry, their clan will be >> destroyed. In the absence of remarriage, there will be many evil deeds like >> adultery and abortion. Therefore, remarriage is good. (4-122) >> >> It was answered that in such a situation, the man and the woman should >> remain celibate and adopt a boy of their own caste for the lineage. This >> will keep the clan going and adultery will also not happen and if they >> cannot remain celibate, they should have children through Niyoga. Never >> remarry. Let us now see what is ‘Niyog’? >> >> If a man’s wife has died and he has no children, then that man can have >> sexual relations with a designated widow and produce a child. Once the >> pregnancy is confirmed, the relationship between the designated woman and >> the man will end and the designated woman will raise the boy for two-three >> years and give him to the designated man. In this way, a widow can produce >> two sons for herself and two for four other men, i.e. a total of 10 sons. >> (It is not made clear here that if a girl is born, what will be the >> ‘conditions’ of Niyog?) Similarly, a widower can produce two sons for >> himself and two for four other widows. In this way, producing 10 children >> together is permitted in the Vedas. >> >> Iman tvamiindra meedhvah suputraam subhagaam krunu. >> >> Dasasyaam putrana dhehi patimekaadasham kridhi. (Rig Veda 10-85-45) >> >> Meaning: “O powerful groom, who gives the gift of semen, bless this >> married woman or widow with excellent sons and good fortune. Produce ten >> sons from this married woman and respect the eleventh woman. O woman, >> produce ten children from married men or appointed men and consider the >> eleventh as your husband.” (4-125) >> >> The Veda commands that Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya Varna women and men >> should not produce more than ten children, because producing more children >> makes the children weak, unintelligent and have a short life. As is clear >> from the above mantra, the system of Niyoga is not only for widows and >> widower women and men, but the wife can take full advantage of it while the >> husband is alive and the man can take full advantage of it while the wife >> is alive. (4-143) >> >> Aa Gha Ta Gachchanuttara Yugaani Yatra Jaamayah Krraavannajaami. >> >> Up Barbrihi Vrishbhaaya Bahumanyamichhasva Subhage Pati Mat. >> >> (Rig Veda 10-10-10) >> >> Meaning: “An impotent husband says, O Goddess! Do not expect to have >> children from me. O fortunate one! Take support of the arms of a virile >> man. Leave me and desire another husband.” >> >> Similarly, a woman who is unable to have children should also command her >> husband, O Lord! Leave the desire of having children from me and have >> children by Niyoga with some other widow woman. >> >> If a woman’s husband has gone abroad for business etc., then he should >> wait for three years, if he has gone for education, then he should wait for >> six years and if he has gone for religion, then he can have children by >> Niyoga after waiting for eight years. There are some similar rules for men >> that if there are no children, then he can have children by Niyoga with >> another woman in the eighth year, if he has children and dies after having >> them, then he can have children in the tenth year and if there are only >> girls, then he can have children by Niyoga with another woman in the >> eleventh year. A man can leave his wife who speaks unpleasantly and take >> the benefit of Niyoga with another woman. Similar rules are for women. >> (4-145) >> >> In question no. 149 it is written that if the woman is pregnant and the >> man cannot bear it and the man is chronically ill and the woman cannot bear >> it, then in such a situation both should have Niyoga with someone and >> produce a son, but they should never visit prostitutes or commit adultery. >> (4-149) >> >> It is written that Niyoga should be within one's own Varna or higher >> Varna and caste. A woman can have Niyoga with upto 10 men and a man can >> have Niyoga with upto 10 women. If a man or woman has intercourse with more >> than the 10th pregnancy then they are lustful and condemned. (4-142) A >> married man cannot have Niyoga with a virgin girl and a married woman >> cannot have Niyoga with a bachelor man. >> >> You have read some rules, laws, conditions and principles related to >> remarriage and Niyoga which have been propounded by Swami Dayanand and >> which the alleged author has also proved to be true, certified and >> justified from the Vedas, Manusmriti etc. texts. For practical >> confirmation, the alleged author has presented some historical evidence and >> has also described the merits of Niyoga. To prove this evil practice as >> righteous and justifiable, the author has also resorted to intellect and >> logic. The alleged reformer has even in today's environment considered >> remarriage to be faulty and Niyoga to be rational and justifiable. Let us >> analyse the above notion factually. >> >> The faults of remarriage that Swami Dayanand has listed above (4-134) are >> all ridiculous, childish and foolish. As the learned author has written, by >> marrying a second time, the pativrat dharma of a woman and the strivrat >> dharma of a man gets destroyed, but by doing Niyoga, the aforesaid dharma >> of both remains pure and safe. Is this argument not foolish? After all, >> what kind of pativrat dharma is it that will get destroyed and corrupted by >> remarriage but will remain safe and innocent by having sexual relations >> with 10 other men? If a man's wife is alive and for some reason the man is >> unable to produce a child, then it does not mean at all that the man does >> not have sexual desire (amagnans kamptam). If a man has sexual desire but >> is unable to produce a child and his wife has Niyoga with another man for a >> child, then in such a situation where and how will the man satisfy his >> sexual desire? Here it is also worth considering that in the Niyoga system >> everywhere it is said that a son will be produced, whereas according to >> biology there is a 50 percent possibility of a girl child being born. It >> has not been clarified what will be the rules, laws and conditions of >> Niyoga in case a girl child is born? >> >> As Swami Ji has said that even if a woman repeatedly gives birth to a >> girl child, a man can still produce a son through Niyoga. Here it is worth >> considering that if a woman repeatedly gives birth to a girl child, then >> the man is responsible for this, not the woman. It is a scientific fact >> that in the human race the sex is determined by the male and not the >> female. It is also a fact that the defects and disadvantages of remarriage >> and the advantages and advantages of Niyoga have been mentioned only for >> the Dwij Varnas, Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya. The fourth Varna ‘Shudra’ >> has been left out. Is Niyoga not permitted for ‘Shudras’? Is the system of >> Niyoga for ‘Shudras’ defective and sinful? >> >> As it is written that even if the wife or husband speaks unpleasantly, >> they can do Niyoga. If a man’s wife is pregnant and the man cannot live >> with it or the husband is chronically ill and the wife cannot live with it, >> then both can do Niyoga after finding a suitable partner. Have all the >> rules and moral values not been locked up here? Does Niyoga not mean free >> sexual relations (Aimag Thtamam)? Can any society be imagined as low and >> inferior than this? >> >> The so-called learned author has presented two examples of the >> civilization of the Mahabharata period to confirm the truth, authenticity >> and practicality of the Niyoga system. It is written that Vyas ji produced >> children through Niyoga from the wives of Chitrangada and Vichitravirya >> after their death. Dhritarashtra was born from Ambika, Pandu from Ambalika >> and Vidur from a maid through Niyoga process. Another example is of Kunti >> and Madri, the wives of King Pandu. Since Pandu was unable to do so, both >> the wives produced children through Niyoga. History is also a proof of this. >> >> As far as the above historical facts are concerned, in the civilization >> of the time of Mahabharata, leave alone Niyoga, producing children from a >> virgin girl was also acceptable and respectable. The birth of both the >> learned great men Ved Vyas and Bhishma Pitamah is a solid proof of this. >> Secondly, in the society of the time of Mahabharata, a woman could be the >> wife of five real brothers. Pandava's wife Draupadi is a solid proof of >> this. Thirdly, in the society of the time of Mahabharata, only men were >> capable of producing children without sexual intercourse with a woman. >> >> The birth of Guru Dronacharya, the main character of Mahabharata, is a >> proof of this. Fourthly, in the Mahabharata period, children were born in >> miraculous ways. The birth of Panchali Draupadi is a living proof of this. >> So, what was the need of Niyog in that society? Here it is also worth >> considering that under which rules did Vyas Ji do Niyog? Secondly, if he >> did Niyog, why did he do it with three women at the same time? Thirdly, why >> did a sage have intercourse with a maid of a lower caste? Fourthly, why did >> Kunti give birth to four sons through Niyog method, contrary to the rules? >> It should be known that Kunti gave birth to four sons, Karna, Yudhishthira, >> Bhima and Arjun and all of them were called Pandu. Fifthly, when the >> practice of Niyog was not prevalent in that society, then why did Vyas Ji >> do it? >> >> Secondly, if he did Niyoga, why did he do it with three women at the same >> time? Thirdly, why did a sage have intercourse with a maid of a lower >> caste? Fourthly, why did Kunti give birth to four sons through Niyoga, >> contrary to the rules? It should be noted that Kunti gave birth to four >> sons, namely Karna, Yudhishthira, Bhima and Arjun, and all of them were >> called Pandu. Fifthly, when the Niyoga system was innocent and acceptable >> in that society, then why did Kunti drown Karna in the river out of fear of >> public shame? Sixthly, who were those men who produced children through >> Niyoga with Kunti? Swami Ji has prohibited polygamy, whereas polygamy was >> prevalent in the said civilization. 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