Truth hurted you senile. He wrote treatises on Rig Vedam almost. What did you do? A crying wolf? There is a saying: The one who skidded and hurt attributed the error to cornerstone. You are like that at 98. Dandam KR
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 at 20:40, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > Truth hurts, and the absolute truth hurts absolutely. > > That is why vagrant flea-infested canine K R ex-IRS itches all over and > gets incurably irritated when having to face the truth. > > I have written the truth about Dayaanand, the notorious rebellious founder > of the Aarya Samaaj. And about incestuous triple rapist/adulterer Vyaasa, > illegitimate child of illegitimate Durganthi (grand-daughter of a fish). > > Vagrant flea-infested canine K R ex-IRS should cease barking at the Sun > day and night, settle down and accept the unvarnished truth. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 9:53 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Narayanasamy an empty drum can make so much of sound, why couldn't a >> learned Vyasa ? Your character in itself is immersed in H2s and sinking >> from Singapore and you unashamedly speak ill of Vyasa. Is there any puja >> for you? I doubt even a srdham for you may not. So shut your dwaras and >> rest. Dayananda Saraswathy could write a treatise on Rigvedam partly; but >> what could you do?.Bull-shitters cannot build air-palaces. You only call >> all by bad names means you are an absolute pervert. Your write up does not >> contribute a dime. Thank you Narayana koo-muttai KR >> >> On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 at 22:36, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear folks >>> >>> The Sathyarth Prakash, a rebellious treatise written by revolutionary >>> Dayaananda alias Mool Shankar Tiwari), the founder of Arya Samaj, is a >>> completely unauthorised text extolling the virtues of sin, sex, incest, >>> cross-cultural abominations and prohibited encounters such as (1) secret >>> sexual union of illegitimate fish-born, fish-stinking youthful Durganthi >>> and casteless wandering aged ascetic Paraasara, (2) triple rape/adultery of >>> illegitimate son Vyaasa born of such union with issue-less dead king >>> Vichithraveeryan's widows Ambikaa and Ambaalikaa, and (3) illegitimate >>> birth of blind Dhrithitraashtra, mottled-skin Paandu, and with Ambaalikaa's >>> maid-servant resultingn in birth of illegitimate Vidoora. >>> >>> As background to justify vowed celibate illegitimate Vyaasa's multiple >>> rapes/adulteries, Dayaananda extols the birth of the Pancha Paandavas and >>> Karna to different women through impregnation by distamt deities such as >>> the Sun, Yama Dharma Raaja, Vaayu, Indra, and the Ashvini twins. >>> >>> (This compares with the Blessed Virgin Mary who was impregnated by the >>> Holy Ghost of the Christians, and who produced five sons (including Jesus >>> Christ) and three or more daughters.) >>> >>> Dayanand also extols Draupathi's polyandry: having five husbands >>> simultaneously, i.e. the younger five of the six Paandavas. >>> >>> All this only goes to emphasise the absolute unfitness of illegitimate >>> Vyaasa's mahaa-bhaaratham for paaraayanam in Brahmin households. >>> >>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 9:34 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> PART 2 15724 1674 >>>> >>>> The material from serial no. 120 to 149 of the fourth chapter of >>>> ‘Satyarth Prakash’ is related to the subject of remarriage and Niyog. It is >>>> written that >>>> >>>> Remarriage should never take place among the Dwijs i.e. Brahmin, >>>> Kshatriya and Vaishya castes. (4-121) >>>> >>>> Swami ji has also listed some drawbacks of remarriage such as – >>>> >>>> (1) With the permission of remarriage, a man can leave a woman and a >>>> woman can leave a man and marry another woman. >>>> >>>> (2) In the event of the death of the wife, if the man marries again, >>>> then there will be a quarrel among the family members regarding the >>>> belongings of the former wife, etc., and if the woman marries again in the >>>> event of the death of the husband, then there will be a quarrel among the >>>> family members regarding the belongings of the former husband, etc. >>>> >>>> (3) If a man and a woman marry a second time, their pativrat and >>>> strivrat dharma will be destroyed. >>>> >>>> (4) No bachelor shall marry a widow and no virgin shall marry a widow. >>>> If someone does so, it will be injustice and adharma. In such a situation, >>>> the man and the woman will need Niyoga and this is dharma. (4-134) >>>> >>>> Someone asked Swami Ji that if either the man or the woman dies and >>>> they do not have any children, then if they do not remarry, their clan will >>>> be destroyed. In the absence of remarriage, there will be many evil deeds >>>> like adultery and abortion. Therefore, remarriage is good. (4-122) >>>> >>>> It was answered that in such a situation, the man and the woman should >>>> remain celibate and adopt a boy of their own caste for the lineage. This >>>> will keep the clan going and adultery will also not happen and if they >>>> cannot remain celibate, they should have children through Niyoga. Never >>>> remarry. Let us now see what is ‘Niyog’? >>>> >>>> If a man’s wife has died and he has no children, then that man can have >>>> sexual relations with a designated widow and produce a child. Once the >>>> pregnancy is confirmed, the relationship between the designated woman and >>>> the man will end and the designated woman will raise the boy for two-three >>>> years and give him to the designated man. In this way, a widow can produce >>>> two sons for herself and two for four other men, i.e. a total of 10 sons. >>>> (It is not made clear here that if a girl is born, what will be the >>>> ‘conditions’ of Niyog?) Similarly, a widower can produce two sons for >>>> himself and two for four other widows. In this way, producing 10 children >>>> together is permitted in the Vedas. >>>> >>>> Iman tvamiindra meedhvah suputraam subhagaam krunu. >>>> >>>> Dasasyaam putrana dhehi patimekaadasham kridhi. (Rig Veda 10-85-45) >>>> >>>> Meaning: “O powerful groom, who gives the gift of semen, bless this >>>> married woman or widow with excellent sons and good fortune. Produce ten >>>> sons from this married woman and respect the eleventh woman. O woman, >>>> produce ten children from married men or appointed men and consider the >>>> eleventh as your husband.” (4-125) >>>> >>>> The Veda commands that Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya Varna women and >>>> men should not produce more than ten children, because producing more >>>> children makes the children weak, unintelligent and have a short life. As >>>> is clear from the above mantra, the system of Niyoga is not only for widows >>>> and widower women and men, but the wife can take full advantage of it while >>>> the husband is alive and the man can take full advantage of it while the >>>> wife is alive. (4-143) >>>> >>>> Aa Gha Ta Gachchanuttara Yugaani Yatra Jaamayah Krraavannajaami. >>>> >>>> Up Barbrihi Vrishbhaaya Bahumanyamichhasva Subhage Pati Mat. >>>> >>>> (Rig Veda 10-10-10) >>>> >>>> Meaning: “An impotent husband says, O Goddess! Do not expect to have >>>> children from me. O fortunate one! Take support of the arms of a virile >>>> man. Leave me and desire another husband.” >>>> >>>> Similarly, a woman who is unable to have children should also command >>>> her husband, O Lord! Leave the desire of having children from me and have >>>> children by Niyoga with some other widow woman. >>>> >>>> If a woman’s husband has gone abroad for business etc., then he should >>>> wait for three years, if he has gone for education, then he should wait for >>>> six years and if he has gone for religion, then he can have children by >>>> Niyoga after waiting for eight years. There are some similar rules for men >>>> that if there are no children, then he can have children by Niyoga with >>>> another woman in the eighth year, if he has children and dies after having >>>> them, then he can have children in the tenth year and if there are only >>>> girls, then he can have children by Niyoga with another woman in the >>>> eleventh year. A man can leave his wife who speaks unpleasantly and take >>>> the benefit of Niyoga with another woman. Similar rules are for women. >>>> (4-145) >>>> >>>> In question no. 149 it is written that if the woman is pregnant and the >>>> man cannot bear it and the man is chronically ill and the woman cannot bear >>>> it, then in such a situation both should have Niyoga with someone and >>>> produce a son, but they should never visit prostitutes or commit adultery. >>>> (4-149) >>>> >>>> It is written that Niyoga should be within one's own Varna or higher >>>> Varna and caste. A woman can have Niyoga with upto 10 men and a man can >>>> have Niyoga with upto 10 women. If a man or woman has intercourse with more >>>> than the 10th pregnancy then they are lustful and condemned. (4-142) A >>>> married man cannot have Niyoga with a virgin girl and a married woman >>>> cannot have Niyoga with a bachelor man. >>>> >>>> You have read some rules, laws, conditions and principles related to >>>> remarriage and Niyoga which have been propounded by Swami Dayanand and >>>> which the alleged author has also proved to be true, certified and >>>> justified from the Vedas, Manusmriti etc. texts. For practical >>>> confirmation, the alleged author has presented some historical evidence and >>>> has also described the merits of Niyoga. To prove this evil practice as >>>> righteous and justifiable, the author has also resorted to intellect and >>>> logic. The alleged reformer has even in today's environment considered >>>> remarriage to be faulty and Niyoga to be rational and justifiable. Let us >>>> analyse the above notion factually. >>>> >>>> The faults of remarriage that Swami Dayanand has listed above (4-134) >>>> are all ridiculous, childish and foolish. As the learned author has >>>> written, by marrying a second time, the pativrat dharma of a woman and the >>>> strivrat dharma of a man gets destroyed, but by doing Niyoga, the aforesaid >>>> dharma of both remains pure and safe. Is this argument not foolish? After >>>> all, what kind of pativrat dharma is it that will get destroyed and >>>> corrupted by remarriage but will remain safe and innocent by having sexual >>>> relations with 10 other men? If a man's wife is alive and for some reason >>>> the man is unable to produce a child, then it does not mean at all that the >>>> man does not have sexual desire (amagnans kamptam). If a man has sexual >>>> desire but is unable to produce a child and his wife has Niyoga with >>>> another man for a child, then in such a situation where and how will the >>>> man satisfy his sexual desire? Here it is also worth considering that in >>>> the Niyoga system everywhere it is said that a son will be produced, >>>> whereas according to biology there is a 50 percent possibility of a girl >>>> child being born. It has not been clarified what will be the rules, laws >>>> and conditions of Niyoga in case a girl child is born? >>>> >>>> As Swami Ji has said that even if a woman repeatedly gives birth to a >>>> girl child, a man can still produce a son through Niyoga. Here it is worth >>>> considering that if a woman repeatedly gives birth to a girl child, then >>>> the man is responsible for this, not the woman. It is a scientific fact >>>> that in the human race the sex is determined by the male and not the >>>> female. It is also a fact that the defects and disadvantages of remarriage >>>> and the advantages and advantages of Niyoga have been mentioned only for >>>> the Dwij Varnas, Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vaishya. The fourth Varna ‘Shudra’ >>>> has been left out. Is Niyoga not permitted for ‘Shudras’? Is the system of >>>> Niyoga for ‘Shudras’ defective and sinful? >>>> >>>> As it is written that even if the wife or husband speaks unpleasantly, >>>> they can do Niyoga. If a man’s wife is pregnant and the man cannot live >>>> with it or the husband is chronically ill and the wife cannot live with it, >>>> then both can do Niyoga after finding a suitable partner. Have all the >>>> rules and moral values not been locked up here? Does Niyoga not mean free >>>> sexual relations (Aimag Thtamam)? Can any society be imagined as low and >>>> inferior than this? >>>> >>>> The so-called learned author has presented two examples of the >>>> civilization of the Mahabharata period to confirm the truth, authenticity >>>> and practicality of the Niyoga system. It is written that Vyas ji produced >>>> children through Niyoga from the wives of Chitrangada and Vichitravirya >>>> after their death. Dhritarashtra was born from Ambika, Pandu from Ambalika >>>> and Vidur from a maid through Niyoga process. Another example is of Kunti >>>> and Madri, the wives of King Pandu. Since Pandu was unable to do so, both >>>> the wives produced children through Niyoga. History is also a proof of >>>> this. >>>> >>>> As far as the above historical facts are concerned, in the civilization >>>> of the time of Mahabharata, leave alone Niyoga, producing children from a >>>> virgin girl was also acceptable and respectable. The birth of both the >>>> learned great men Ved Vyas and Bhishma Pitamah is a solid proof of this. >>>> Secondly, in the society of the time of Mahabharata, a woman could be the >>>> wife of five real brothers. Pandava's wife Draupadi is a solid proof of >>>> this. Thirdly, in the society of the time of Mahabharata, only men were >>>> capable of producing children without sexual intercourse with a woman. >>>> >>>> The birth of Guru Dronacharya, the main character of Mahabharata, is a >>>> proof of this. Fourthly, in the Mahabharata period, children were born in >>>> miraculous ways. The birth of Panchali Draupadi is a living proof of this. >>>> So, what was the need of Niyog in that society? Here it is also worth >>>> considering that under which rules did Vyas Ji do Niyog? Secondly, if he >>>> did Niyog, why did he do it with three women at the same time? Thirdly, why >>>> did a sage have intercourse with a maid of a lower caste? Fourthly, why did >>>> Kunti give birth to four sons through Niyog method, contrary to the rules? >>>> It should be known that Kunti gave birth to four sons, Karna, Yudhishthira, >>>> Bhima and Arjun and all of them were called Pandu. Fifthly, when the >>>> practice of Niyog was not prevalent in that society, then why did Vyas Ji >>>> do it? >>>> >>>> Secondly, if he did Niyoga, why did he do it with three women at the >>>> same time? Thirdly, why did a sage have intercourse with a maid of a lower >>>> caste? Fourthly, why did Kunti give birth to four sons through Niyoga, >>>> contrary to the rules? It should be noted that Kunti gave birth to four >>>> sons, namely Karna, Yudhishthira, Bhima and Arjun, and all of them were >>>> called Pandu. Fifthly, when the Niyoga system was innocent and acceptable >>>> in that society, then why did Kunti drown Karna in the river out of fear of >>>> public shame? Sixthly, who were those men who produced children through >>>> Niyoga with Kunti? Swami Ji has prohibited polygamy, whereas polygamy was >>>> prevalent in the said civilization. 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