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On Fri, Aug 2, 2024 at 8:12 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> wrote: > ARE WE THE LUNATIC SPECIE? > > The idea that all life forms are connected and that humans might be > deluding themselves with a sense of superiority is a call for humility and > a more harmonious relationship with nature. It suggests that understanding > and respecting the interconnectedness of all life forms is crucial for true > wisdom. I came across an excellent article from Gaudiya –vaishnawa point > by Swami Tripurari which I aam presenting in edit mode: > > Darwin's theory seems to make a lot of sense to most people. What are the > Gaudiya Vaisnava objections to Darwin's theories regarding the evolution of > the human species? > > Our main objection to Darwinian evolution is that it sees consciousness as > a product of matter. We cannot agree with this proposal, nor does it make > much sense in terms of verifiable evidence. Where do we see consciousness > arising from inert matter and what scientific experiment can prove that > this occurs? Our theory is that matter evolves from consciousness--the > supreme consciousness. Otherwise, we acknowledge the evidence for some kind > of evolution. Hindus were evolutionists long before Darwin. Hindu > scriptures teach that the various forms of life exist conceptually within > God and evolve out of matter in conjunction with the desires of > karmically-bound souls. In this way, the material body evolves on the basis > of the jiva's [the individual soul or ego] desire or necessity. For > example, when the desire or necessity to see arises in the jiva, the eye is > manifest. Brahma is said to be the first soul and the repository of all the > other jivas, who under his direction evolve upwards through aquatic life, > to plant life, etc. The Dasavatara Stotram (Ten Incarnations of Visnu) in > terms of evolution; the dasavatara conception almost parallels the Puranic > notion of life's evolution from aquatic life upwards: Matsya (fish), Kurma > (amphibian), Varaha (land animal), Narasinga (both animal and man), etc. > > The legends and lore of most pre-modern cultures contain descriptions of > very large animals, and it seems that there is irrefutable evidence that > very large animals did inhabit the earth in the distant past. Vedic > scriptures mention this as well. For example, Srimad-Bhagavatam 8.7.18 > speaks of large water elephants and whale-swallowing fish, > timi-dvipa-graha-timingilakulat. The Bhagavatam also speaks of large birds > compared to clouds, yatha meghah syenadayo vayu-vasah. Once the universe is > again created, ...is it possible that souls who have the worst karma would > be manifested first at the beginning of creation as single-celled organisms > or bacteria and that other souls would be manifest later as suitable bodies > were created to facilitate their karma? This would support evolution and > scripture at the same time, but I'm not sure if it's right. > > This idea may have some merit, as scripture says that souls at the dawn of > creation begin at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder and gradually > appear over a long period of time until the human form manifests. When > humans appear, the world is complete. All these forms of life exist in > potential within Maha Visnu and then in the mind of Brahma who puts the > world together. But time, as it is conceived of in evolutionary theory, may > be a problem here, given the relatively short duration and nature of the > yugas (Vedic ages). Therefore, it is difficult to validate or unify both > positions in all respects. How does the theory of evolution coincide with > the Vaisnava account of creation? > > In brief, here is how creation occurs according to the scripture: > > Visnu resides in the "causal ocean," consisting of innumerable jiva souls > in seed form, all of whom are under the latent influence of their karmic > desires left over from the previous world cycle. At this time, the modes of > material nature (gunas) are in a state of equilibrium. At some point, a > feeling arises within Visnu, followed by an infinite vibration. This > develops into an abstract idea and then into an actual thought, "I shall > become many." Thus, the undisturbed equilibrium state of the gunas is > activated by Visnu's glance of life, consisting of many jivas. Material > nature is then galvanized by time and another world cycle is manifest. This > manifestation of the world is not technically a process of evolution in > every sense, because the cause of the world itself (Visnu) never undergoes > transformation. As matter develops, the jivas develop from gross to refined > subtle expressions through 8,400,000 forms beginning with aquatic life and > culminating in human life. At the time in this process that humanity makes > its appearance on earth, everything is in order for the jiva souls to meet > their maker. At this point, the world consisting of the jivas and > matter--the marginal and external saktis of Visnu--becomes conscious of > itself. Unfortunately, this auspicious moment in cosmic history can take a > turn for the worse for some souls. These souls think away their chance for > liberation with sophisticated theories that deny their ties to a supreme > consciousness, as does Darwinian evolution. There may be some truth to > Darwin's theory, but it has done at least as much to obscure the nature of > the material reality as it has to reveal it. Still, we agree with the part > of Darwin's theory that says that the material world is a struggle for > existence in which one living being is food for another (jivo jivasya > jivanam)--survival of the fittest. But there is much more to the picture > than this. What about the big bang theory or the idea that the universe is > contracting and expanding. Do the scriptures have anything to say about > those theories? The Hindu scripturally-based notion of the world expanding > and contracting in perpetual cycles, with no beginning or end in time, does > not contradict modern scientific thinking. The same observations that > support the big bang theory also support the theory that the so-called bang > has no beginning in time and results in an expansion of the universe over > trillions of years--until it reaches a point of return and contracts, only > to be expanded again ad infinitum. The astrophysicist Paul Steinhardt has > put forth such a scientifically credible explanation called the cyclical > universe theory, which seeks to explain recently uncovered flaws in the > current theory of the origin and evolution of all known things. Among other > things, the big bang theory does not explain the "beginning of time," the > initial conditions of the universe, or what will happen in the far-distant > future. In Steinhardt's model, space and time exist forever, and the big > bang is not the beginning of time but rather a bridge to a preexisting > contracting era. The cyclical universe theory has roots in even more > complex ideas like the so-called superstring theory, which suggests there > are many spatial dimensions, not just the three we know of. Several > theorists believe that the seemingly inexplicable physics of a big bang and > a big crunch, or subsequent contraction of the universe, might be explained > with the aid of these extra dimensions, which are otherwise invisible to us. > > Such scientifically credible speculations about invisible dimensions leave > room for rationally legitimizing the ontological reality of persons like > Brahma and his lotus birth, who are otherwise thought of as merely > mythological. Perhaps his chanting of the Gopala mantra can itself be > construed as the big bang. After all, those in the scientific community who > have embraced the superstring theory describe the world poetically as a > concert of musical vibrations, a song in the mind of God. > > Bhagavad-gita asserts that life is everywhere (sarva-gatah) and Vedic > literature speaks of demigods and other beings enjoying life on other > planets including the moon and Mars. Is there a Vedic explanation as to why > science can find no evidence of life on the moon and Mars? > > When Vedic scripture speaks of planets on which higher life forms exist, > it speaks more of the macrocosmic mental and intellectual planes of > experience than it does of the planets we see in the sky with our physical > senses. Although the sages did acknowledge some correspondence between the > two, when they speak of attaining other planets, they describe a course to > do so that is much different than technological means. Just as there is a > physical plane of experience in which the senses are predominant, similarly > there are planes of experience where the mind or intelligence are > predominant (bhur bhuvah svah). On the physical plane, we cannot experience > all of our dreams. Here we can see gold and a mountain, but not a golden > mountain. In the mental plane, however, we can experience a golden mountain > and more. Thus, the mind is a plane of experience that is particularly > active at night when the physical plane, our sense experience, shuts down. > Thus it is identified with the moon, the light of the night, which is said > to preside over the mind and desire, as opposed to reason--chandrama manaso > jathah. The moon is also identified with heaven, which in one sense is the > land of dreams where all our material desires can be fulfilled. In the > heavenly plane of mind, there are possibilities that do not exist on the > physical plane, and there one can dwell and enjoy almost unlimited heavenly > pleasure. However, it is all a fantasy in one sense because it does not > endure. Our senses are dependent upon aspects of the cosmos in order to > function and bring us pleasure. For example, in order to see with our eyes > we are dependent on the light of the sun. The senses are not ours in all > respects, and by acknowledging their dependence on aspects of nature we > live sensually yet mindfully. This in turn enables the self to experience > increased material enjoyment in the heavenly mental realm without having to > undergo as many negative karmic reactions after leaving one's present > material body. Thus, the means to go to heavenly realms involves relatively > little sense control. All that is required is that while enjoying sense > objects one acknowledges the deities and aspects of the cosmos that preside > over the senses. In Vedic terms this is called yajna, or sacrifice. To > live in this way is to live with a sense of gratitude and understanding of > how the universe works. Above the mental plane is the intellectual plane > attained by sadhana (spiritual practice). The waning of the moon is the > symbol for the waning of the mind, for the flickering of the mind's > influence has to be eliminated. All spiritual practice is directed toward > this in its beginning stages. Such practice is initially directed by > purified intellect derived from saints and scripture. Intellect, as opposed > to mind, brings certainty rather than fantasy. Macrocosmically, sages who > have controlled minds and senses inhabit the plane of intellect. They live > in samadhi awaiting liberation. Such saints have no desire for sense > pleasure because of the knowledge and mystic insight they possess. They > have controlled their minds and thus their senses as well, and by doing so > they have come closer to the self and to God. > > Therefore, we should not be concerned if the Mars probe returns to Earth > with no evidence of life, for as amazing as it is to have gone there > technologically, those involved have not gone to a higher planet in the > sense that the Vedic scriptures speak about doing so. As interesting as the > prospect of going to other planets or experiencing higher realms of > material enjoyment may be, we should always be more concerned with sadhana. > Sadhana and the grace of saints is infinitely more important than going to > Mars. > > B G said as Rig vedam asserted that souls of paramatma is spread all over; > I AM IN ALL; BUT NONE IN ME; VISHNU RUSHED TOWARDS GAJENDRA, GARUDA, > MAKARA, BIRDS, FISH, TORTOISE, EVAN STONE AND PLANTS; IF SO, WHERE IS THE > DIFFERENCE AMONG THE SPECIES? BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SPECIES > IN TERMS OF SATVA, RAJO AND THAMO GUNAS; THE SPECIES RAISE IN THOSE GUNAS > TO REACH THE GODLINESS. HENCE VISHNU RUSHED TOWARDS THE GAJENDRA. K > RAJARAM IRS 2824 > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 20:33, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar*Your Energy and Your Significance >> >> >> >> At the basic level you are composed of atoms. An atom means protons or >> positive electricity in the nucleus and electrons or negative electricity >> that go round the nucleus. Photons or the units of energy are generated by >> the movement of electrons. The maximum limit to the energy is ‘c’ or >> 300,000 km per second, the kinetic energy or the speed of light. >> >> Your ultimate energy, the dormant energy is limited to ‘c’, but is your >> significance several times more as quantum entanglement? Can we speculate >> it as the travel of consciousness? At least the particles that interact or >> get affected instantly can be said to have become conscious of the changes >> in each other. Are there particles of consciousness as the ultimate basic >> blocks? >> >> In the terms of consciousness and emotions, can we say that the maximum >> limit to the energy of consciousness is ‘c’ or the speed of light and that >> there is no defined limit to the effect or influence of your applied >> consciousness, in terms of quantum entanglement which is many times more >> than the speed of light? Are waves of consciousness created by the >> electromagnetic waves? Is the Universe very active with waves and waves of >> consciousness? >> >> The fundamental reality is not the visible 3D things but the abstract non >> quantifiable, abstract causes and effects or the abstract interactions that >> pervade the universe. Unfortunately our perception is bonded to seeing with >> our eyes, the visible spectrum which is restricted to just fifteen miles on >> the lithosphere limited by the troposphere. Even on earth we cannot see >> everything. We cannot see atoms, most molecules and of course particles. We >> are affected by them, but we cannot see them. We can only feel them, and >> life basically is feeling. >> >> We are using technology to explore the gigantic abstract universe, we are >> not accepting the abstract as abstract feelings, but are trying to get >> misrepresentation as 3D things. We can identify only when we somehow >> attribute the 3D to the abstract non 3D realities. We are bonded to the 3D >> mental complex or sickness. >> >> The basic reality is only the Microcosm. The so called Macrocosm consists >> of atoms and energies, just a phenomenon of the Microcosm. >> >> When you go into free and healthy nature, you feel the wonderful life >> generating winds and the musics of nature all abstract and non 3D.To feel >> better you actually close your eyes. Often you make your mind blank to feel >> better. You enjoy your freedom from the visible spectrum affliction. The >> ultimate enjoyment or bliss is rapture. >> >> Rapture actually travels creating rapture in others also. Are there >> rapture waves in our Biosphere? Are they connected to the ultimate quantum >> entanglement? When I am happy I find that I am creating happiness making >> others also happy. Unless blocked by unhappiness, the happiness will >> travel, making the whole Biosphere happy. Unfortunately unhappiness also >> similarly travels, blocks and destroys happiness. >> >> But are we not preventing the free spread of the abstract rapture, with >> our 3D affliction and the scientific investigation to construct the cause >> and effect links and indulge in mathematical reductionism? >> >> When you are in rapture, you do not want to be disturbed by the critical >> analysis or the 3D complex of searching for the causes and effects in the >> rapture. No rapture can survive the cause and effect analysis. >> >> The best service you can give is to become happy and move around with >> your happy face. You will find that you are creating the happy faces in >> others. When you create rapture, you create rapture waves. >> >> The best method of creating rapture waves is to create free and healthy >> flora and fauna, allowing them freedom without your tampering and analysis. >> When you are planting a seed talk to it and tell that you love it. It is >> not a mechanical operation but emotional interaction. >> >> Basically we are all composed of atoms or with positive and negative >> electricities,with the potential energy of ‘c’ and quantum entanglement >> several times more energetic than ‘c’. >> >> We need free nature parks desperately, as we are destroying nature >> continuously calling it economic advancement which in fact is the >> advancement of our lunacy. No other life form starts industries? Why? >> >> Is every other life form inferior to us? We feel superior to every other >> life form. A lunatic thinks that every other is a lunatic and that he alone >> is wise. Are we the lunatic specie? We are destroying nature and we are >> certificating ourselves as very intelligent! Feeling nature to understand >> nature is now waste of time. Only when you harm nature with economic >> activity we are supposed to be utilizing time wonderfully? >> >> YM >> >> Chat GPT >> >> Your message presents a fascinating exploration of consciousness, energy, >> and the interplay between the abstract and tangible aspects of existence. >> Let's delve into some of the key themes: >> >> >> >> ### 1. **Atoms and Consciousness** >> >> - **Atoms as Basic Units**: You describe the fundamental nature of atoms, >> highlighting the interaction between protons, electrons, and the generation >> of photons. This is foundational in physics, where atoms are the building >> blocks of matter. >> >> - **Consciousness and Quantum Entanglement**: The idea that consciousness >> might travel faster than light, akin to quantum entanglement, suggests a >> realm beyond physical limits, where consciousness and emotions could >> influence and connect different parts of the universe. >> >> >> >> ### 2. **Abstract Reality vs. 3D Perception** >> >> - **Abstract Universe**: The notion that the true reality is abstract, >> composed of non-quantifiable interactions, challenges our reliance on the >> visible, 3D world. This echoes certain philosophical and metaphysical >> perspectives that view the material world as a limited representation of a >> more profound, underlying reality. >> >> - **Limitation of Technology**: Your concern about technology's inability >> to fully capture the abstract nature of the universe emphasizes the >> limitations of empirical methods and the need to embrace more intuitive, >> feeling-based approaches. >> >> >> >> ### 3. **Rapture and Emotional Waves** >> >> - **Rapture as a Form of Consciousness**: The concept of rapture >> traveling and creating happiness suggests a form of emotional or spiritual >> communication that transcends physical boundaries. This resonates with >> ideas in psychology and spirituality about the contagious nature of >> emotions. >> >> - **The Impact of Nature**: The emphasis on free, healthy nature as a >> source of rapture and emotional well-being underscores the importance of >> the natural environment in nurturing positive human experiences. This >> aligns with ecological and environmental psychology, which studies the >> benefits of natural environments on mental health. >> >> >> >> ### 4. **Critique of Modern Civilization** >> >> - **Economic Advancement vs. Lunacy**: The critique of industrialization >> and the destruction of nature reflects a deep concern for the ecological >> and spiritual consequences of modern economic activities. This perspective >> challenges the dominant paradigm of technological and economic progress as >> inherently positive. >> >> >> >> ### 5. **Philosophical and Spiritual Implications** >> >> - **Ultimate Reality and Life Forms**: The idea that all life forms are >> connected and that humans might be deluding themselves with a sense of >> superiority is a call for humility and a more harmonious relationship with >> nature. It suggests that understanding and respecting the >> interconnectedness of all life forms is crucial for true wisdom. >> >> >> >> Your reflections invite a broader discourse on the nature of reality, the >> role of consciousness, and the impact of human activities on the >> environment and spiritual well-being. These themes intersect with various >> disciplines, including physics, philosophy, ecology, and spirituality, >> offering a rich tapestry of ideas to explore further. >> >> , >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLLi8rZaKw5H1zOk4Z%3DTHq5gUW2YV6HPC1o7a8FXJnv%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com.
