Dear all
Mr Sekar and Mr G observed only as reported by the media. This
question arose under the unfairness of life written by Mr G. point one reg
unfairness in life is PURE KARMA; when G wrote additional 2 IAS appointed
by the then PM, which Seshan cried it as foul, is being extolled as great
by Mr G, is true, then you are having not seen either of them , is
ascribing the same intelligence of IAS rank holders, are different , in
thinking? or different, because "not-thinking -like Seshan"? The Supreme
Court also quoted in Gujarat judgement, "there were many CECs but seshan
like are only once in a while"; some media write extolling; some wrote the
adverse. My dept officer and 2004 -05 CEC Sri TSK had written a book.
"Modern democracy" (maybe I might have written it a little wrong to
the title) from then till his time, improvement of democracy and compared
with the world democracy also. There Mr TSK had written there are 2 periods
in democracy of India; one prior to seshan and after seshan. Now tell me
TSK is less in execution than Seshan? Earlier dancing to the Govt was bad
in character? or Seshan was throughout his career were only like that
reforming everything and crying foul? Appointment of 2 additional isa
management trick studied in the management course and Artha sastra
definitely to bring down the dancing man. Did he not do the same foul
trick? And all officers of the govt of india who did such revolutions in
Rank below were allowed that act by bosses like seshan and called it as
great? Autocracy was the crazy attitude of seshan. In the bottom,
wherever he could he did it; wherever he knew it would be nibbed, went
silent abiding the conditions of service. We call it SAMARTHYAM or
diplomacy. If diplomacy does not tantamount to corruption, say so boldly.
Then when one gets that constitutional head position can dance; that is
what a SC CJ does. No one can shake me so I did; and the media gets there
only. Did it ever address in every level of service , implementations of
the constitution so boldly by everyone? You know how many seshans burnt
the good spirit of the bottom on similar conditions of service in Govt
service? If you say mamiyar udaithal man kudam and marumagal udaitaal pon
kudam; well. How many young aspiring police, Incometax, central excise &
customs officials were court martialed for rightfully doing the service ,
only by such on top later danced officials while bosses? I neither
encourage stiff necks nor flexible branches, waiting for that second to
become a tall tree. Right from peon, till that constitutional heads, all
are only the upholders of the constitution; and whosoever , disrespect
them, because they aligned with the constitution, which was disliked by ,
the top brass, and so tossed them in the air are not at all qualified to
have carried out anything at all. Was there anyone in the hierarchy who
took the blame as leader where the right thing was executed by the lowerone
as his own? Never in any service and the Govt service. Media writes to get
favors . If 100 were selected in one line as the cream, there could be
definitely, a small percentage , pipping the line and shine; but as
kurukshetra was clear only by the precedents Arjuna could run the charit
faster than Dharma. AND THAT IS KARMA. Why earlier were less striking and
one struch hard and later strike got mitigated are all viewed in
different lightings. Seshan had no commitments; abdul kalam was a
brahmachari and had nothing to lose. It is not finding an excuse for
corruption, but retardation for carefully acting . Will anyone save you
when someone is rolled over? One corrupt officer was chopped off near his
quarters; another central excise inspector honest to the core was run over
, hit and run in north Usman Rd right in the crowd and killed; constitution
were dead in both cases. Implementations and forgotten forever only
happened in both. Then who is to blame? You wrote Vithura and Bhishma did
as far as possible; well when they did only that much in that yuga, why
eulogise who could do it with some plus advantage? Vuthura was a
sanyasi who knew Krishna; Bhishma was a maharathi and a bachelor but you
agree that was enough, because it was not Bangladesh but a woman Draupadi?
Should I write more? Tiruvalluvar who said people will wait for time, had
also said that Inaction in action is also bad and corrupt practice only. It
does not undervalue one's potency but points out only the absence of
equanimity as a purusha. KR IRS 12824
On Mon, 12 Aug 2024 at 08:09, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear Mr Sekar,
>
> From my recollection, he was some what affected by posting two I A S
> officers as his associates, when Mr Seshan stated , there was only work for
> a single officer. I have used the word " affected". Whether government
> will waste the services of two I A S officers?
>
> Considering voting machine, voter ID, etc, positive achievements, still
> voter ID is not considered as a valid document now in opening new accounts
> in banks. Newly introduced Aadhar made voter ID, just an ID for voting.
> Gopalakrishnan
>
> On Monday, 12 August, 2024 at 01:35:25 pm IST, 'N Sekar' via KeralaIyers <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Sri G K.
>
> Two comments on Q 1 reply:
>
> 1. That Life is unfair to the Good is a widely held belief, opinion, as
> we see before our eyes how the corrupt thrive and prosper while the honest
> suffer, both financially and mentally.
>
> Somehow nothing seems to happen to them, at least as far as we the public
> are concerned, even if they suffer in their private lives.
>
> The easiest explanation is " Karma" of not only this birth but of the
> previous ones also.
>
> But one cannot deny the fact that generally the bad ones work hard ( for
> example Karunanidhi used to work for nearly 18 hours a day, starting with
> reading various newspapers, meetings with party functionaries etc. That's
> how he got a complete grip over the party and made it a family property -
> thru superhuman efforts).
> The lazy ones cannot grudge his success thru efforts, right or wrong or
> fair on unfair.
>
> But the supposedly good ones don't put on that kind of effort, (Modi may
> be an exception) and let us remember that
> efforts and hard work do yield results.
>
> If you follow T N politics, the BJP had grown after Annamalai has assumed
> the leadership. Why, because he puts in hours and hours of hard work on the
> field and did not confine himself to the A / C room, discussing strategy
> only, important though strategy is. But decades of inaction cannot be
> corrected in a short span of time. No other leader had put so much effort
> as he has done - on the field. You can't sit tight and lament Good are
> suffering. Most of us don't even bother to vote but cry over the results.
> That just won't work.
>
> Again, the Good don't pull their weight but rely on others to do the
> donkey work while they sit on the sidelines. Worse, they outsource their
> duties and responsibilities to Him and think just chanting His Namas are
> enough. There again you can see their Double standards.
>
> If they have to pass the examination, for example, they study hard and ask
> for His Blessings, which is the right thing to do. Krishna said " Do your
> DUTY, but leave the results to Me". Emphasis here is DO YOUR DUTY and not
> sit tight and chant my Naamas once in a while and that would be enough. You
> have to both.
>
> We never raised our collective voice against the various atrocities heaped
> on our religion and our brethren. B' Desh is the latest example, one more
> in a long, never ending list.
>
> Some of us escape by saying " Oh, I don't comment on politics or
> religion", to cover our cowardice and selfishness.
>
> Given that scenario, the Good will suffer, as long as they remain selfish
> and are indifferent to the sufferings of other Good people.
>
> Vidhura says that if you remain silent when injustice is being
> perpetrated, you also are guilty of that crime.
>
> He raised his voice when Drupadi was sought to be disrobed and did his
> best, short of taking arms.
>
> He thought beong a servant of the king Drirtharashtra, he cannot fight or
> kill his king's sons.
>
> But he tried his best and so did Bhishma.
>
>
> 2. Yes, Seshan was forgotten in spite of his fantastic service, in
> restoring order and faith in our election process.
>
> Have you seen the clamor to discredit the EVMs and the war cry to bring
> back the ballot papers - which will make booth capturing and stuffing the
> ballot boxes easy?
> Because there is no Seshan now.
>
> I don't know much about his private life and his record, other than his
> role as the CEC, and I, as a citizen of Bharat, salute him for his efforts
> and services.
>
> That said, he demeaned himself, in my opinion, by meeting and soliciting
> votes from the very same people he decried.
>
> Thanks
>
> N Sekar
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> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 9:34 PM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> CULTURAL QA 08202411
>
> Topic General. Base Quora QA- Compiled
>
>
>
> Q1 Is life unfair to honest people?
>
> KR The problem of the ignorant is (ignorant does not mean
> uneducated. Katradinaal aaya payan en kol, nattrarivaalan tizhadar enin. It
> means what is the use of education if the learned is not worshipped or
> lauded [one meaning] our GOD is not worshipped [another meaning] Hence
> ignorant is one who without analysis praises some or ignores some or
> ignites some; that is also ignorance. People who dance for MGR, shahrukh
> khan and Amitab, Rajni about whom nothing is known personally [their dark
> sides always remained unprojected by their power of money or power is the
> real truth] are cherished as THIS DANCER wrote about seshan. Let Sujatha or
> Seshan be upright or not is not a question about anyone, but the charisma
> they carried out ere by media lights only who wrote not after due
> verifications, but only after receipt of currency, protection, sanctions
> etc etc. Once the feedings stop, they go only to the next feeder. And at
> the same time, even after years of generations few people are remembered or
> silently followed, WHO REMAINED AN OPEN BOOK. And it is not that glowing
> media who are doing it; it is the genuine who had seen them personally,
> describing and following only their character, only through their words.
> So, after reading Indian scriptures and B G if fools were to write life is
> unfair then they are psychic. Before ending, can the bancer know what
> Seshan did at Madurai in his earlier career? Doing something as King is
> never a greater thing; as a half dhoti clad man he could shake a kingdom
> and he was the greatest whom Nelson Mandela followed. And I have another
> question too; as Cine star I mentioned above there are also actresses
> Deepika, Natandara, etc and why do you people not dance around?;
> differentiating people? Or did the media not write about them well?
>
>
>
> Q2 Was the human lifespan always 80 years throughout human history?
>
> No, it wasn't.
>
> KR It ends here and if so why these kinds of questions? [I don't know
> where you got that idea, but it's about as accurate as saying the Earth is
> flat.] {KR These words are not mine. And I read the whole thrash and was
> retirement fixed because of enhanced age? And is there any assurance that
> at 20 s people are so healthier and so lucky to live also?}
>
>
>
> Q5 What scam do you know about or you have faced?
>
> KR In north India it could be ascam; but in South India we call it
> cheating and not scam. Scam is when public funds evaporate. And where
> people ask for 200 rupees petrol nation, are only a nation asking for
> KOSURU meaning FREEBIES. No petrol bunk can stop at 200 rupees but can stop
> at literes refixed. Scam done only by the rugger hair lady. Perhaps she is
> writing high about her imagination in a gossip Quora.
>
> K Rajaram IRS 11824
>
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 at 09:22, Gopala Krishnan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> CULTURAL QA 08-2024-11
>
> Topic General. Base Quora QA- Compiled
>
> Q1 Is life unfair to honest people?
>
> A1 Pankaj Sharma, Observer of Dance of Life. Updated 6y
>
> Unfortunately Life is unfair to honest people.
>
> India's former election commissioner Sh. T.N. Sheshan is the example of
> this.
>
> He was the most honest and impartial Election Commissioner in India. T.N.
> Sheshan played a vital role to save democracy by reforming elections in
> India. He fought with corrupt politicians with courage without any
> help/support. No need to tell a corrupt man can not fight corrupt
> politicians.
>
> Before him elections were not free and fair in India. Election
> commissioner was just a puppet. Voting was just a joke of democracy.
>
> Booth capturing, buying votes, Bribe,Liquor distribution, misusing
> official government machinery, murders,bogus voting were common things.
>
> T.N.Sheshan fought with the brutal, shrewd politicians to reform election
> system in India. He role in Indian democracy is immense.
>
> He handed over the power of democracy to voters who are real owner of the
> democracy.
>
> So he was the saviour of democracy in India. Isn’t ?
>
> After his retirement he was powerless.
>
> He contested for the post of President of India, Highest Constitutional
> post in democratic India but he lost.
>
> What did he get in the end?
>
> Politicians were enemy of him. People forgot him. Media forgot him.
>
> He was spending a reclusive life in Gurukulam old age home in Chennai.
> Recently his wife also passed away. Mr Seshan is also become the late on
> 10-2019.
>
> Isn’t life unfair to honest people?
>
> P.S: His junior Mr. M. S. Gill was nominated to Rajya Sabha and later on
> was inducted as minister in Union cabinet.
>
> Update 1: I am glad to see overwhelming response. It shows Sheshan Ji is
> still our Hero and people still admire his honesty and fortitude.
>
> Few people have opposite views and as per them Life was not that unfair to
> Sheshan ji. I respect their right to differ with me and they should comment
> their opinions as this is the beauty of healthy discussion. I don’t want to
> change their opinion and respect their opinion.
>
> Why Shehsan Ji's birthday can't be celebrated as India Voter's day ? Or
> why can't we award T.N. Sheshan award to enthusiastic voters? Why
> politicians are pampered and honest people are always ignored? Isn't unfair?
>
> There are many more such examples and it would be out of context to name
> them. They cheated/murder/looted people and lived life like king. One
> example is Vijay Mallya.
>
> I agree honest people are happy and satisfied with their work like a tree
> that doesn't eat its fruit isn't out duty to recognise such people?
>
> I agree he came, he got job, he did his job, and he got salary for job and
> now pension for his contribution but my question is what politicians are
> doing then? Are they doing something extra?
>
> Bottom line is if Politicians/Film Stars/Cheap Celebrities/Sold
> Journalists/Business men are adored despite their flaws why honest people
> are ignored and remembered by just very few?
>
> Q2 Was the human lifespan always 80 years throughout human history?
>
> A2 Silk Road, Physics/History Connoisseur, AI Machine Learning.17h
>
> No, it wasn't.
>
> I don't know where you got that idea, but it's about as accurate as saying
> the Earth is flat.
>
> The human lifespan has been on a rollercoaster ride throughout history,
> with more dips and turns than a bad stock market graph.
>
> Picture dudes battling saber-toothed tigers and dodging falling rocks. Not
> exactly a recipe for longevity.
>
> Infectious diseases, brutal injuries, and childbirth complications were
> the grim reapers of the time.
>
> Life expectancy hovered around a paltry 30 years, and that's being
> generous.
>
> If you made it to 40, you were considered ancient.
>
> Fast forward to the Middle Ages, and things weren't much better.
>
> Sanitation was a joke, plagues ravaged Europe, and wars were a constant
> threat.
>
> Life expectancy teetered between 30 and 40 years, with infant and child
> mortality rates through the roof.
>
> Making it to adulthood was an accomplishment in itself.
>
> The Industrial Revolution brought some improvements.
>
> Advances in medicine, sanitation, and nutrition helped push life
> expectancy into the 40s and 50s.
>
> But it was a slow and uneven climb. The gap between rich and poor was
> stark, with the wealthy enjoying better health and longer lives than the
> working class.
>
> The 20th century witnessed a dramatic leap forward.
>
> Vaccines, antibiotics, and improved public health measures slashed
> infectious disease rates.
>
> Life expectancy soared, reaching the 60s and 70s in many developed
> countries. Suddenly, retirement became a thing, and people had the luxury
> of growing old.
>
> Today, we're living longer than ever before.
>
> The average life expectancy in the US is around 79 years, and it's even
> higher in some countries.
>
> My note- During my 25’s a death at 60 or 65 was natural death. Retirement
> age in state was 55 and central 58.
>
> Development of new medicines, improvement in the quality of life with more
> income, By 200’s life expectancy came to 75.
>
> Now with more income, availability of commodities, improvement in health
> field the average life expectancy has come to 80.
>
> Those who live beyond 80, without major problems and can live
> independently are more fortunate.
>
> Q3 Can you tell a good joke?·
>
> A3 Philo Yan,Jun 9
>
> A husband went to the sheriff’s department to report that his wife was
> missing.
>
> Husband: My wife is missing. She went shopping yesterday and has not come
> home.
>
> Sergeant: What is her height?
>
> Husband: Gee, I’m not sure. A little over five-feet tall.
>
> Sergeant: Weight?
>
> Husband: Don’t know. Not slim, not really fat.
>
> Sergeant: Color of eyes?
>
> Husband: Never noticed.
>
> Sergeant: Color of hair?
>
> Husband: Changes a couple times a year. Maybe dark brown.
>
> Sergeant: What was she wearing?
>
> Husband: Could have been a skirt or shorts. I don’t remember exactly.
>
> Sergeant: What kind of car did she go in?
>
> Husband: She went in my truck.
>
> Sergeant: What kind of truck was it?Husband: Brand new 2015 Ford F150 King
> Ranch 4X4 with eco-boost 5.0L V8 engine special ordered with manual
> transmission. It has a custom matching white cover for the bed. Custom
> leather seats and “Bubba” floor mats. Trailering package with gold hitch.
> DVD with navigation, 21-channel CB radio, six cup holders, and four power
> outlets. Added special alloy wheels and off-road Michelins. Wife put a
> small scratch on the driver's door. At this point the husband started
> choking up.
>
> Sergeant: Don’t worry buddy. We’ll find your truck.
>
> My note- Similar jokes have come already, still making one laugh for a
> moment
>
> Q4 Can you tell a funny joke?
>
> A4 Heba Naaz, 6h
>
> The Mexican Maid asked for a pay rise. The wife was very upset about this
> and decided to talk to her about the raise. She asked, “Now Maria, why do
> you want more pay?”
>
> Maria: “Well, Senora, there are tree reasons why I wanna increase. The
> first eez that I iron better than you.” Wife: “Who said you iron better
> than me?”
>
> Maria: “Jor huzban he say so.” Wife: “Oh yeah?” Maria: “The second reason
> eez that I am better cook than you.”
>
> Wife: “Nonsense, who said you were a better cook than me?” Maria: “Jor
> hozban deed.”
>
> Wife increasingly agitated: “Oh he did, did he?” Maria: “The third reason
> is that I a’m a better at make love than you in the bed.”
>
> Wife, really boiling now and decided to remove her.
>
> Q5 What scam do you know about or you have faced?
>
> A5 Anshu Garg, Lives in India (1995–present)Jun 13
>
> On my way to drop my mother at railway station early in the morning, I
> stopped at a petrol pump and asked the guy to fill for Rs. 200.
>
> Seeing my overused clothes and braided hair, he must have assumed that
> I'm an uneducated naive girl.
>
> He had a movable meter attached to petrol dispensing pipe.
>
> After showing me “zero” he moved the meter away from me.
>
> To add an extra touch, he acted to be religious and touched 200 rupee note
> to his forehead as a sign of respect to money.
>
> He took his own sweet time and said ‘madam I filled for Rs. 202, give me 2
> rupees more’
>
> He confidently showed me the meter reading while saying that.
>
> Funnily, the meter reading was Rs. 20.23
>
> Twenty rupees and twenty three paise. He thought that the figure is
> similar and he can fool me 😂
>
> Sadly, for him, I see figures all day everyday.
>
> I said it's only Rs. 20
>
> Shamelessly he said ‘no no I'm asking if I should fill for Rs. 212, then
> it'll be 2 liter.
>
> I said just do what I said.
>
> He then grumpily filled for remaining amount.
>
> With my mother around, I was in no mood to impart wisdom or take action on
> him and I hate arguments.
>
> It's one amongst the many scams that these petrol pump guys do
>
> Anyway
>
> सावधान रहे, सतर्क रहे
>
> My note- Such scams are lesser in south India.
>
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