‘Myself and the Universe’-the basic conceptual blunder (my old blog copied by many)
When you can see everything—atoms, particles, energies, thought- flows, consciousness transformations., then you can neither find nor conceptualize the I, Mine, My, You, We, They etc,you join or realize that you are eternity. When you start with the basic concept myself, my etc, you already entered the arena of blunder. Subjectivity, egocenricism; egomania and the ultimate megalomania are the descents of the blunder. “Reality is a level of consciousness, that of non-dual Mind, containing concepts yet never grasped by them.”(Ken Wilber). They mean those who are ensnared in the corner of perceiving through the visible spectrum only. The visible spectrum is less than even one per cent of the total photon spectrum. Now, when you want to feel that feeling of being the Universe, eternity..., can you afford to use any machine? The machine cannot feel for you. The machine defeats from the beginning of your quest. You have to forget every word of every language. Words are concepts arising out of the dominance of subjectivity in outlook totally because of the visible spectrum. “Scientific knowledge of the Self is not real knowledge...Self-knowledge is possible only...when scientific studies come to an end,(and the scientists) lay down all their gadgets of experimentation, and confess that they cannot continue their researches any further...”(DT Suzuki). The most important point is that you have to stop using any language, in your thinking, and practice feeling that you are the Universe by reaching the ultimate in concentration and meditation. You have to leave the concept-‘I’. God is not an examiner giving you marks, or a judge deciding on your behaviour, God means the Universe...YOU. God is not an authority or the senior most bureaucrat with full powers to decide about you, with you as the powerless and so helpless and voiceless. In Hinduism there are thirty three crore Gods or thirty three crore dimensions of you, or 33 crore paths or thirty three crore angles of understanding. You are the eternity or the Universe. You have to stop marking the time with the movement of the clock or with some other event. You have to stop recognizing space as locations of different things and their contiguities. Today every science is modelled after Newtonian Physics as the role model. The dominant metaphor machine rules every subject---Newtonian Psychology, Newtonian Economics, Newtonian Law, and Newtonian Sociology... even Newtonian Theology. All concepts have been mechanized and machines eliminated you and along with you, the Universe itself. Today in science we study the machines and technology and we have ditched the Universe. Now we have reached the stage where we cannot continue surrendering to machines or subjectivities. As we are afraid of the ultimate reality confronting us, we want to delay it by medicines, prayer; exercise etc. The best medicine is yoga, concentration, meditation and realizing that you are eternity. The very phrase senior citizen is misleading. K RAJARAM IRS 271124 On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 at 18:50, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > > > -- > *Mar**The False Convergence* > > > > *“Scientific knowledge of the Self is not real knowledge...Self knowledge > is possible only...when scientific studies come to an end,(and the > scientists) lay down all their gadgets of experimentation, and confess that > they cannot continue their researches any further....” (D.T.Suzuki) Modern > science depends on analysis, mathematical reductionism, and mathematical > relationships in terms of equations...in short in divisions and equations, > that too after separating one as the observer from the subject matter of > observation. Its foundation is the removal of feelings, emotions, bias, > attachments, and the attainment of mechanical neutrality in mentality. > There is just no possibility of any convergence at all, between the > Holistic Approach and the Cartesian division, sub divisions, sub division > of sub divisions... an unending process. This process truly results in the > extinction of the observer and the total take over by the inanimate > machines. * > > *This is the real process that is taking over the world today...the > gradual replacement by machines for the performance of the work to be > carried out by the organs.Hands,Legs and most important thought...all are > surrendered to the machines, and the computers announce the findings in > mathematical vocabulary. Even war for mass killing has become office work, > the employee goes to the office, directs the drones to kill the people most > of them helpless till 5 pm, and then leaves for his non-home as the wife > has divorced.* > > *One of the most freak phenomena is the emergence of people that talk > about scientific spiritualism, something like altruistic sadism. Most of > these are social climbers driven mainly by economic motivations, who wear > their reading of various ancient texts for display and ...this is really > appalling... murdering missions and ridiculing the missionaries. When their > rotten skin is threatened, they cower. We have the live oxymorons, who tie > themselves in knots.* > > *YM Sarma* > > *Chat GPT* > > The passage you've shared appears to be a critique of modern science, its > methodology, and the growing reliance on machines in the contemporary > world, while contrasting it with a deeper, holistic approach to knowledge > that transcends reductionism. > > At its core, the passage addresses the tension between two fundamental > ways of understanding reality: the scientific method, which is deeply > analytical, reductionist, and often mechanistic, and the holistic or > spiritual perspective, which emphasizes the interconnectedness of all > things, intuition, and a more experiential form of knowing. > > The first part of the passage highlights D.T. Suzuki's view that true > self-knowledge goes beyond the boundaries of scientific inquiry. Science, > according to Suzuki, can never fully grasp the essence of the self because > it operates on the principles of objectivity, observation, and analysis. To > truly understand the self, one must transcend these analytical tools, > leaving behind the "gadgets of experimentation" that attempt to dissect and > quantify everything, including human experience. In this view, > self-knowledge is inherently beyond the reach of scientific methods. > > The author contrasts this with the modern scientific approach, which is > based on division—dividing reality into smaller and smaller components in > an attempt to understand it through reductionism. This process leads to > what the author calls "extinction of the observer," where the person doing > the observing becomes irrelevant or even invisible in the process. Instead, > machines take over the role of performing the work once done by humans, > replacing not only physical labor but also cognitive and emotional > functions. This growing reliance on machines is described as a gradual > surrender of human agency and a shift toward an increasingly dehumanized, > mechanized world. > > The critique extends further to address what the author perceives as a > troubling trend in society: individuals who blend spirituality with > scientific discourse in a way that feels disingenuous or opportunistic. > These "scientific spiritualists" are seen as social climbers, using ancient > texts to justify their behavior, while simultaneously engaging in actions > that contradict the core principles of those very teachings. The passage > mocks the idea of "altruistic sadism," implying that these individuals may > speak of higher moral or spiritual ideals while simultaneously acting in > harmful, even destructive ways. > > Ultimately, the message is one of caution and disillusionment with the > modern scientific and technological worldview. The author warns against a > future where human thought and emotion are subordinated to machines, and > where people lose sight of genuine self-knowledge and spiritual truth in > favor of shallow, self-serving interpretations of science and spirituality. > > In summary, the passage is a sharp critique of the reductionist, > mechanized nature of modern science, the increasing role of machines in > human life, and the rise of opportunistic spiritualism. It suggests that in > our pursuit of knowledge and technological progress, we risk losing touch > with deeper, more authentic ways of understanding ourselves and the world. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZopRZ0VMPOGkvY%3DjheTa05oZ8%2Bt-4EEwxTekyznwq%3D%3D3dg%40mail.gmail.com.
