I went through the childish aberrations as well as altercations and
astounding alacrity among a few ,who are simply actively and inactively
just a well-dwellers patting a few and causing erroneous gyrations. The
statement of Mohamad bin tuqlaq is acclaimed mainly as stupidity but still
afew celebrate him in the history as a marvel. So one such marvel may
defend anything out of the neuron displays. Truth will laugh at phases in
the future ;youth learn only by hits. FALSE DEDUCTIONS MISLEAD MANY IN THE
HISTORY TO DESTRUCTION ONLY THOUGH POLITICAL BLASPHEMY WERE PICTURISED AS
GOOD BY THEMSELVES. END ALONE JUSTIFIED THE MEANS AND ONE'S MISJUDGEMENTS
AS SEEN IN THE usa HISTORY:
 William Hull         The deplorable conduct of Charles Lee at the Battle
of Monmouth has been immortalized by Lin-Manuel Miranda
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Lin-Manuel-Miranda>, and Benedict
Arnold <https://www.britannica.com/biography/Benedict-Arnold>’s name is
synonymous with traitorous behavior. However, not even *they* managed to
get themselves court-martialed
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/court-martial-military-law> and sentenced
to death for ineptitude on the battlefield. That dubious distinction falls
to William Hull <https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Hull>, the
only general officer in American history to be ordered before a firing
squad for cowardice and dereliction of duty. Hull had served with
distinction in the Revolutionary War
<https://www.britannica.com/event/American-Revolution> and was appointed
governor of the Michigan Territory in 1805. When the War of 1812
<https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-1812> began, Hull was commissioned
a brigadier general and tasked with defending Michigan
<https://www.britannica.com/place/Michigan> and invading Upper Canada
<https://www.britannica.com/place/Ontario-province>. To say that he failed
in both regards is to dramatically understate the case. Approaching his
60th birthday and exhibiting a timidity that had no place in a general
about to lead an invasion, Hull also had the misfortune of facing two of
the most gifted commanders ever to operate in North America. British Gen. Isaac
Brock
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/Isaac-Brock-British-soldier-and-administrator>
possessed
a remarkable ability to anticipate his opponents’ moves and reactions, and
it was not long before he had taken full measure of Hull. Allied with Brock
was the Shawnee <https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shawnee-people> chief
Tecumseh <https://www.britannica.com/biography/Tecumseh-Shawnee-chief>, who
was head of the most formidable pan-Indian
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/American-Indian> military force the
continent had ever seen. Hull was thoroughly outclassed. While Hull
dithered, Brock captured Fort Michilimackinac, establishing British control
of the Straits of Mackinac
<https://www.britannica.com/place/Straits-of-Mackinac>. Hull responded by
ordering the evacuation of Fort Dearborn
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fort-Dearborn>, and the garrison was
promptly massacred by a Potawatomi
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/Potawatomi> war band upon leaving the
fort. At this point, things somehow got worse for Hull. His invasion of
Canada came to an abrupt halt when he failed to capture Fort Malden, a
British position that was a laughably short distance from Hull’s
headquarters at Fort Detroit. Hull withdrew after a series of harassing
attacks by Tecumseh’s highly mobile raiding parties. At Brownstown, south
of Detroit, two dozen warriors under Tecumseh routed more than 200 American
militiamen escorting a supply column intended for Detroit. Hull’s nerve was
shattered. Brock, sensing an opportunity, advised an immediate march on
Fort Detroit. On the night of August 15, 1812, Tecumseh led his forces
across the Detroit River <https://www.britannica.com/place/Detroit-River>,
and Brock followed the next morning. While British cannons shelled the fort
from the Canadian side of the river, Tecumseh marched his warriors through
a forest clearing in an endless parade. Hull, convinced that he was
hopelessly outnumbered (he wasn’t), surrendered Fort Detroit and its
2,000-man garrison without firing a shot. The British gained control of the
fort, dozens of cannons, the brig
<https://www.britannica.com/technology/brig-ship> USS *Adams* (recommissioned
the HMS *Detroit*), and virtually the entire Michigan Territory. Hull was
taken prisoner by the British and was court-martialed upon his return to
the United States. He was found guilty of 11 counts, and only the
intervention by Pres. James Madison
<https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Madison> spared him from
execution.
HENCE WHERE THE MIND HAS A FEAR OF PARTITIONED PATRIOTISM,
ERRONEOUS DECISIONS IS GLORIFIED IN TERMS OF SELF DECLARATIONS AS HULL SAID
BUT HISTORY ALWAYS PROVED IT IS AN UTTER NONSENSE Thank you all K Rajaram
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From: Indian R <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 at 07:45
Subject: Re: [iyer123] Re: google group
To: iyer123 <[email protected]>


You are most welcome Mani sir - the intention was never to drive anyone
out. Just ONE person has forced me to place him in a position where he
cannot post any messages here. He was the singular cause of a lot of the
turmoil. After that, and after telling people that they should completely
AVOID CROSS-POSTING messages to multiple groups, the peace has returned
here.

Of course, the other groups have their issues - and a whole lot more
messages. But I don't really care about that.

What concerns me is my mortality - I wish some of our younger (relatively
speaking) members were able to also become owner/moderators of this group,
so that it does not suffer the fate of the Yahoo! iyer123 group. My
entreaties have gone in vain - mostly because everyone here is older than
me (I am a sprightly 62).

Sai

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 10:11:50 AM UTC-5 mani wrote:

> The atmosphere is simply great in our Group.  Thanks, Mr Sai for retaining
> the members, even without their knowledge!  Best wishes,
>
> Mani
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 6:06 PM Indian R <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The simple fact that you are able to post here, shows that you haven't
>> left the group.
>>
>> Welcome back to posting here.
>>
>> Sai
>>
>> On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 9:08:51 PM UTC-5 yeddanapudim wrote:
>>
>>> I left Iyer123 when I could not bear the quarrels.
>>> Now I am willing to join,if you are willing.Please request members not
>>> to use revolting words in quarrels.
>>> YM
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 5:47 AM ARR <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaskaram
>>>>
>>>> Hope you are mistaken. My group is very old one. I have just reviewed
>>>> it. I have my own WhatsApp group as well as same members in Google groups.
>>>>
>>>> I do not want to take any members. I just invited to join the group
>>>> even then there is no response.
>>>>
>>>> I request review our iyer123 group and more participation.
>>>>
>>>> But i cannot close my group.
>>>>
>>>> Frankly speaking no one is having time now a days to post and read
>>>> mails in groups
>>>>
>>>> A R Ranganathan
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2024 at 23:28, Indian R <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If your intention is to simply take some group members from this group
>>>>> and have them post to your group - please - cease and desist. If you wish
>>>>> to contact them OFFLINE, without adding your message to this group, there
>>>>> is nothing I can do about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what you are attempting to do is, honestly, wrong and I must ask
>>>>> that you please stop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderator
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:36:16 AM UTC-5
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Below is the extract of the group message. Hardly 5 or 6 members are
>>>>>> exchanging mails.
>>>>>> I have initiated a group which was named iyer123 family and
>>>>>> subsequently changed to sanatana shruti.
>>>>>> I have added a few members of the old yahoo group iyer123. Those
>>>>>> interested can join the group on your own interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>> A.R.Ranganathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome to iyer123.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This group is a revival of the erstwhile iyer123 group on the
>>>>>> erstwhile Yahoo groups. That esteemed group was a moderated group, 
>>>>>> founded
>>>>>> by Viji123. It had over 1000 members and was a great meeting place for
>>>>>> everyone remotely related to Iyers. But suddenly on or about May 12, 
>>>>>> 2014,
>>>>>> the group stopped functioning. The cause of the sudden cessation of
>>>>>> messages is not known. Subsequently, after 6 or so years, Yahoo Groups
>>>>>> itself came to an end. Not having the list of original subscribers to
>>>>>> Yahoo's iyer123, this group was founded at about that time and initial
>>>>>> invitations were sent. About 50 members joined and the subsequent revival
>>>>>> of iyer123 is ongoing. You are being requested to add yourself to this
>>>>>> group so that the services of iyer123 can be resumed.
>>>>>> One difference between the Yahoo group and this one on Google groups
>>>>>> is that it is unmoderated. And for the foreseeable future, it will remain
>>>>>> unmoderated. If you would like to become a moderator, please indicate so 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the moderator so that you can be added to the list of moderators. We 
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> avoid the situation that Yahoo iyer123 found itself in, and become
>>>>>> dependent on the mortality (or presumed immortality) of a single 
>>>>>> moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IYER123
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Addendum:
>>>>>> One more thing regarding the unmoderated nature of this group. *It
>>>>>> means each person is solely responsible for their remarks.* The
>>>>>> owner/moderator neither endorses nor opposes any remarks (except those
>>>>>> posted by the moderator). The only rules/guidelines that apply are 
>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>> documented on Google's page:
>>>>>> https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696?hl=en
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please DO NOT ATTACK the person posting an article. Please comment on
>>>>>> the CONTENT of the posting. If you do wish to address someone, follow the
>>>>>> principles of newspaper letter writing, where most, if not all remarks 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> addressed to the MODERATOR. Also, mention of castes should be avoided. We
>>>>>> all should know that there are 4 VARNAS - and not 4 jathis (or castes). 
>>>>>> And
>>>>>> the subtlety of the difference should not be diluted any further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Addendum 2:
>>>>>> After the moderator has declared a post/thread as ended - no more
>>>>>> responses - If ANYONE posts a response, their email ID will be suspended
>>>>>> (for a limited time) from posting with immediate effect.
>>>>>>
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