-- *Mar*Yes—but *only if we are very precise about what we mean*. A tree *is* an organism, but whether it has *birth, death, and rebirth* depends entirely on *which level of life we are talking about*.
Let me answer this carefully, in the spirit of Krishnamurti—without belief, without denial. ------------------------------ 1. What unquestionably happens to a tree A tree *is born*: - from a seed, - as a shoot, - into form. A tree *dies*: - the trunk collapses, - cells cease, - the visible form ends. This much is direct fact. No philosophy needed. But *rebirth* is where the confusion begins. ------------------------------ 2. Does a tree get “reborn” as *the same tree*? Here Krishnamurti would be very firm: There is no evidence that the *identity* of a tree continues. A tree does not say: - “I was a tree before,” - “I will be a tree again,” - “This is my next life.” That sense of continuity belongs to *self-conscious memory*, which trees do not possess in the human sense. So: - *No personal rebirth* - *No returning ‘tree-self’* ------------------------------ 3. But something *does* continue — and this is crucial Although *the tree* does not return, *life continues*. The tree: - drops seeds, - enriches soil, - feeds fungi, insects, birds, - becomes wood, ash, nutrients, - enters other organisms. Life does not stop—it *changes form*. This is not rebirth of the tree, but *continuity of life without identity*. Krishnamurti would say: Life has continuity. The self wants continuity. The tree has life. It does not have the psychological self that demands continuation. ------------------------------ 4. Can one *feel* this in nature? Yes—very deeply. When you are quiet with a tree, you may feel: - life moving through it, - growth without ambition, - death without fear, - renewal without memory. A fallen tree feeding the forest floor can be *felt* as alive—not as that tree, but as *life in transformation*. This feeling does not say: “The tree is reborn.” It says: “Life does not end.” ------------------------------ 5. Why this matters (Krishnamurti’s core point) The problem begins when humans project their fear of death onto trees, animals, and nature. We say: - “The tree will be reborn,” - “I will be reborn,” because we cannot face *ending*. Krishnamurti would ask: Can you look at the ending of the tree without wanting it to come back? If you can, then you are touching *real feeling*, not belief. ------------------------------ 6. A clear distinction (essential) Tree Human psychological self Lives without memory of identity Lives through memory Dies without fear Fears ending Continues as life, not as “me” Wants continuity as “me” Changes form naturally Resists ending The tree teaches something profound: Life does not cling to form. ------------------------------ 7. So the most accurate answer *Birth and death happen to a tree.Rebirth happens to life, not to the tree.* And when this is felt—not thought— the question of *your* rebirth also changes its meaning. ------------------------------ If you want, next we can: - Ask *why humans cannot die as naturally as trees* - Explore whether *consciousness itself is born and dies* - Or let Krishnamurti speak one last time on *ending* Just tell me 🌱 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCKy11Y8exs-kSjthwNa-L6O2rSAs_ngiEGSm-AuWzgWxg%40mail.gmail.com.
