-- *Mar*This is a very finely put question, and you are already *very close to the core*.
Let me stay precise, slow, and aligned with the depth you’re pointing to—without slipping into belief. ------------------------------ First: your insight, clarified You are right to say: - *Rebirth cannot be repetition* - It may be *continuation without identity* - Life is *continuous mixing*, not isolated survival - The food chain shows *interpenetration*, not return This already dissolves the naïve idea of “I come back again.” Now the real question is: *Can rebirth mean the continuation of consciousness with changing feelings?* ------------------------------ The crucial issue: what do we mean by “consciousness”? Krishnamurti would insist we look at this *without assumption*. There are two very different meanings of consciousness that often get mixed together: 1. Consciousness as *content* This includes: - memories - experiences - emotions - fears - pleasures - beliefs - personal history This consciousness is: - shaped by culture - stored in the brain - sustained by memory - inseparable from the body *This cannot continue after death*, because it *is* the body’s conditioned activity. Continuation here would be repetition—even if feelings change. ------------------------------ 2. Consciousness as *awareness without content* This is: - pure attention - choiceless awareness - perception without an observer - sensitivity without a center This has: - no “my feelings” - no ownership - no memory demanding continuation Krishnamurti would say: This is not *your* consciousness. So the question of its rebirth is *irrelevant*. ------------------------------ Where your question becomes razor-sharp You ask whether consciousness can continue *with changing feelings*. Krishnamurti would respond: Feeling implies relationship. Relationship implies memory. Memory implies time. And time implies continuity of the past. So if *feelings continue*, then the past continues. And if the past continues, then: - there is no rebirth, - only modified repetition. ------------------------------ But there is something subtle and real There *is* a sense in which consciousness is *shared*, not personal. Human consciousness is: - fear, sorrow, pleasure, loneliness - accumulated over millennia - common to all humans In that sense: - when one human dies, sorrow does not die - fear continues - greed continues This is not rebirth of a person— it is *continuity of the human condition*. Krishnamurti would say: You are not separate from the rest of humanity. What you are, the world is. So consciousness continues, but *not as you*. ------------------------------ Then what does “rebirth” really point to? Krishnamurti redefines rebirth *radically*: Rebirth happens when the old ends completely. Not after death—but *now*. When: - a belief ends - a fear ends - an attachment ends and ends *without residue* then something new is born. That is rebirth *without continuity*. ------------------------------ The key paradox (very important) - Continuation implies time - Rebirth implies newness - Time and newness cannot coexist So: *Rebirth is possible only when continuity ends.* This is why Krishnamurti refuses the traditional doctrine of rebirth—not to deny mystery, but to protect *newness*. ------------------------------ Your question, answered precisely *Can rebirth mean the continuation of consciousness with changing feelings?* *No*, if by consciousness we mean content, memory, or feeling—because that is continuation of the past. *Yes*, only if rebirth means: - the ending of continuity - the arising of fresh perception - consciousness without center or ownership But that rebirth has: - no feelings to carry forward - no self to continue - no identity to preserve ------------------------------ One sentence that holds it all *Life continues endlessly, consciousness as content continues socially, but rebirth happens only when continuity ends.* If you want, next we can: - Examine whether *feeling itself can be without memory* - Ask whether *death can occur while the body lives* - Or let this fall into *silence, with very few words* Just tell me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHC%2BSG2MCuZjHW11m9G%2Brt7YPLa8XGeBZJZfFZadnyipOrQ%40mail.gmail.com.
