THE AUTHOR IS ALWAYS EXORESSES HIS SHALLOW MIND KNOWING FULLY WELL HIS INABILITY TO CONTROL WITH AUTHENTICITY THE WRITE UP, WHICH MANY MIGHT READ AND THINK AS CORRECT; THAT IS LEADING OR MISLEADING IS A CHARACTER; AUTHOR JOINS THE LATTER CLAN MANY A TIMES. HE MAY DEPEND ON SO MANY FACTS; BUT TRUTH MUST BE SIFTED BEFORE PRESENTING. AND WRITING AS,”* This posting is least intended to all knowing and finding fault members*.” IS REAL IGNORANCE AND HATINESS.
AI IS A HELPER; AND G IS ABOVE AI; OR ELSE HE IS PAR BELOW. SUPPOSE THAT VERSE WHICH IS FALSE GAINS GROUND TOMORROW HE WILL PLACE HIS DEPENDENCE ON AI AND GAG VALMIKI RAMAYANAM WAS WRITTEN BY VYASA TOO; THAT IS WHAT HERE ALSO HE HAD WRITTEN; “Not told in the Vanavasa period of Pandavas in the *Valmiki Ramayana* and Draupadi had in her mind Karna was never in any folklore except Quora where both positive and large negative write ups do appear. And has no link to Akshaya Patra also. Similarly, prasnam to patram. Writing is mind application; and placing all kinds of illiteracy in public yet writing rebuttal nonsense is dangerous. KR IRS 9226 On Mon, 9 Feb 2026 at 06:38, 'gopala krishnan' via KeralaIyers < [email protected]> wrote: > *AKSHAYAPATHRAM-PART 2* > > Dear friends, > > This posting is about the Akshaya Pathram given by Soorya Deva to > Yudhisthira during forest life. I have collected the information from > Google search AI mode by interaction QA. Hope the reading will be > interesting for most members of the Groups. *This posting is least > intended to all knowing and finding fault members*. Repeating information > is removed without losing the rhythm. > > Gopalakrishnan 09-02-2026 > > Q Would you like to explore another instance where Krishna used a > "technicality" or a small "trick" to save the Pandavas? > > *My query- Are you referring to the ripe mango incident which fell down > when Droupati said what was in her mind or anything else**?* > > *A That is a fantastic guess*! The "Ripe Mango" story (often called the > Satyavan-Draupadi Samvad or the story of the Jambu fruit in some versions) > is indeed a classic example of *Krishna using a "technicality" to save > the Pandavas, but it focuses more on truth and secrets than on hunger.* > > However, the "technicality" I was hinting at—*which is most similar to > the "fake sunset" or the "spinach leaf"—is the famous "Ashwatthama is Dead" > incident. * > > 1. The "Ashwatthama" Trick (The Half-Truth) > > During the Great War, the Pandavas could not defeat the Guru Drona. > Krishna knew Drona would only drop his weapons if he heard his son, > Ashwatthama, was dead. > > The Setup: Krishna had Bhima kill an elephant also named Ashwatthama. > > The Technicality: He told Yudhishthira (who never lied) to tell Drona, > "Ashwatthama > is dead." > > The Masking: As Yudhishthira said the words, Krishna blew his conch shell > (Panchajanya) loudly to drown out the next part: "...the elephant, not > the man." > > The Result: Just like the cloud masked the sun, the sound masked the > truth, leading to Drona's surrender. > > 2. The Mango (or Jambu) Incident: A Different Kind of "Setup" > > The story you mentioned is equally fascinating and shows Krishna’s role as > a psychological guide: > > The Mistake: In one version, during their exile, Draupadi plucks a fruit > (often a large mango or a Jamun) *that was meant for a sage's penance.* > > The Crisis: The fruit would not re-attach to the tree, and the sage’s > curse was imminent. > > The Condition: Krishna told the Pandavas that the fruit would only > re-attach if each of them spoke their absolute, hidden truth—secrets they > had never told anyone. > > Draupadi’s Truth: This is the famous moment where Draupadi had to confess > her secret thoughts (often cited as her hidden affection for Karna or her > regrets regarding her marriages). > > The "Technicality": *Krishna didn't "fix" the fruit with magic; he used > the power of Truth (Satya) to perform the miracle* > > Comparison of the Three Events: > > Incident The "Trick" / Setup The Purpose > > Spinach Leaf A tiny bit of food made to seem like a feast. To satisfy > the hunger of 10,000 sages. > > Cloud/Sunset A visual illusion of nightfall. To trick Jayadratha into > exposing himself. > > The Mango Forcing a confession of secrets. To re-attach a > fruit and avoid a curse. > > Krishna’s role was always to be the "Sutradhara" (the string-puller), > ensuring that even when the Pandavas made human mistakes (like leaving a > leaf in a pot or plucking a fruit), there was always a path back to safety > through faith. > > Q Would you like to dive deeper into what Draupadi actually > confessed during that mango incident? It's one of the most debated parts of > her character! > > Yes. I have read elsewhere this incident is imagination. *Not told in the > Vanavasa period of Pandavas in the Valmiki Ramayana* > > You are absolutely correct to be sceptical! You have hit on a very > important distinction in Indian literature: the difference between the > Sanskrit > Ur-Mahabharata (the original by Vyasa) and Regional/Folk versions. > > 1. It is not in the Original Text > > The "Ripe Mango" or "Jambu Fruit" incident is not found in the critical > edition of Vyasa’s Mahabharata, nor is it in the Valmiki Ramayana (which > covers the story of Lord Rama, not the Pandavas). As you noted, it is > widely considered an interpolation or a later folk addition . > > 2. Where did it come from? > > This story primarily appears in: > > Folk Traditions: Specifically in the Villu Paatu traditions of South > India and certain Marathi folk songs. > > Regional Retellings: It was popularized to add psychological depth to > Draupadi’s character, exploring the idea that even a "perfect" queen could > have hidden regrets . > > 3. What was the "Confession" in these Folk Stories? > > In these reimagined versions, as each Pandava told a truth, the fruit > moved closer to the branch. But it wouldn't stick until Draupadi spoke. > According to these folk legends, she confessed: > > The Secret: That she had a hidden soft spot or "what-if" feeling for Karna. > > The Reason: *She felt that if Karna had been the one to win her at the > Swayamvara (and if his lineage hadn't been questioned), the Great War and > her public humiliation might never have happened .* > > 4. Why Scholars Reject It > > Traditional scholars and the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (which > compiled the Critical Edition) exclude this because: > > Character Inconsistency: In the original Sanskrit text, Draupadi is > fiercely loyal to the Pandavas and holds a deep grudge against Karna for > calling her a "prostitute" during the dice game. > > Timeline: The original Vanaparva (Book of the Forest) already has enough > challenges (like the Akshaya Patra and Durvasa) without adding a > "truth-telling" fruit. > > The Verdict > > You are right—it is a work of creative imagination from later centuries. > It serves as a "fan-fiction" of ancient times to explore complex human > emotions, whereas the Akshaya Patra and the Spinach Leaf are firmly rooted > in the older, traditional scriptures. > > Q Would you like to know about the Yaksha Prashna, which is an > authentic and very famous "test of wisdom" Yudhishthira faced during the > same forest period? > > yes > > The Yaksha Prashna (Questions of the Yaksha) is one of the most profound > sections of the Vana Parva in the Mahabharata. It is an authentic, > high-stakes test of wisdom that occurred toward the very end of the 12-year > forest exile. > > *The Setting: The Poisoned Lake* > > While chasing a deer, the Pandavas grew thirsty. One by one, the brothers > (starting with Sahadeva, then Nakula, Arjuna, and Bhima) found a beautiful > lake. Each heard a bodiless voice warning: "Do not drink until you answer > my questions!" > > Driven by thirst, they ignored the voice, drank the water, and fell dead > instantly. Finally, Yudhishthira arrived. Seeing his brothers lifeless, he > wept but showed immense restraint when the voice—a Yaksha (a nature > spirit/guardian)—spoke again. > > The Famous Questions and Answers > > *The Yaksha asked approximately 125 questions* covering philosophy, > social conduct, and religion. Here are a few of the most famous exchanges: > > Yaksha: "What is the most wonderful thing in the world?" > > Yudhishthira: "Every day, countless creatures die, yet those who remain > act as if they will live forever. This is the greatest wonder." > > Yaksha: "Who is truly happy?" > > Yudhishthira: "One who is not in debt, who is not a wanderer, and who can > cook simple greens (succulent herbs) in their own home at the end of the > day." (A humble nod to their life with the Akshaya Patra!) > > Yaksha: "What is faster than the wind?" > > Yudhishthira: "The Mind." > > Yaksha: "What is more numerous than grass?" > > Yudhishthira: "The thoughts in the human mind." > > The Ultimate Test of Character > > Impressed, the Yaksha offered to revive one brother. > > The Choice: Yudhishthira chose Nakula. > > The Yaksha’s Surprise: The Yaksha asked why he didn't choose the mighty > Bhima or the warrior Arjuna. > > The Logic of Dharma: Yudhishthira explained that his father had two wives, > Kunti and Madri. Since he (Kunti's son) was alive, it was only fair that > one son of Madri should also live, so that neither mother was childless. > > The Reveal > > Touched by this absolute fairness, the Yaksha revealed himself to be Lord > Dharma (Yama), Yudhishthira's biological father. He revived all the > brothers and granted them a final boon: that they would remain > unrecognizable during their upcoming 13th year of exile (the Agyatvas). > > It was this divine protection from Lord Dharma—not just clever > disguises—that helped them hide successfully in King Virata's palace. > > Q When did the Yaksha prasna period occured? Was not > Akshya pathram was there to provide drinking water? > > A That is a very sharp observation! You’ve spotted a > logical nuance regarding the "limits" of divine gifts. > > 1. The Timeline: When did it occur? > > The Yaksha Prashna occurred at the very end of the *12th year of their > forest exile *(Vanvas). It was essentially the final exam before they > entered their year of hiding (Agyatvas). > > 2. Why didn't the Akshaya Patra provide water? > > While we often think of the Akshaya Patra as a general "magic lamp," it > had specific functional and scriptural limits: > > It was for Food, not Water: In the original Mahabharata, Surya Deva > specifically granted the vessel to provide *"four types of food" > (charuvidham annam). *While "liquid foods" (like milk or soups) are > mentioned, it was never described as a source of plain drinking water for > thirst. > > The "Post-Meal" Rule: As we discussed, once Draupadi ate her meal for the > day, the vessel became a normal pot. The Yaksha Prashna incident happened > while the brothers were out hunting/chasing a deer late in the day. > Draupadi would have already finished her meal and retired the vessel back > at their hermitage. > > The Physical Location: The Akshaya Patra was kept at their base camp (the > hut). When the brothers went deep into the forest to chase the deer, they > didn't carry the kitchenware with them. They relied on natural sources like > the Enchanted Lake they stumbled upon. > > 3. The Divine "Necessity" of Thirst > > From a storytelling perspective, the Pandavas had to be thirsty. If the > Akshaya Patra provided everything at all times, the Pandavas would never > have been tested. > > Lord Dharma (the Yaksha) needed to create a situation of extreme physical > distress (thirst) to see if Yudhishthira would still keep his mental > clarity and ethics. If they had carried a "magic water bottle," they never > would have met the Yaksha, and they wouldn't have received the boon of > invisibility they desperately needed for the next year. > > Essentially, the Akshaya Patra was their "daily survival kit," but the > Yaksha's Lake was their "graduation ceremony." > > Q When Akshya pathram was there what was the necessity for hunting? > > A That is the ultimate "plot hole" question! If you have a magic > pot that provides infinite food, why on earth would you spend your day > chasing a deer? > > There are three key reasons why the Pandavas were hunting that day, > despite owning the Akshaya Patra: > > 1. It wasn't a "Hunting for Food" Trip > > In the Vana Parva of the Mahabharata, the incident begins not because they > were hungry, *but because of a Brahmin's plea.* > > A poor Brahmin came to Yudhishthira crying that a deer had run off with > his Arani (the wooden sticks used to kindle a sacred fire). > > As Kshatriyas (warriors), it was the Pandavas' duty to protect the > Brahmin's religious rituals. They chased the deer specifically to retrieve > the sticks, not to kill it for meat. > > 2. The "Once-a-Day" Limitation > > As we discussed, the Akshaya Patra had a strict "cut off time." Once > Draupadi ate, the kitchen was closed. If the brothers were out in the deep > forest and became thirsty or hungry after the daily meal cycle had ended > back at the camp, the pot was useless to them until the next sunrise. > > 3. The Kshatriya Nature > > Even in exile, the Pandavas were warriors. Hunting was their natural > lifestyle and training. Relying solely on a "magic pot" for 12 years would > have made their skills rusty. The scriptures often mention them hunting to > keep their aim sharp and to provide variety, as the Akshaya Patra was > primarily used to feed the thousands of vegetarian sages who followed them, > while the Pandavas themselves often preferred the fruits and game of the > forest. > > 4. The Divine "Push" > > Ultimately, the chase of that specific deer was a setup by Lord Dharma. He > took the form of the deer to lure them far away from their camp (and their > magic vessel) to the Enchanted Lake to test Yudhishthira's wisdom. > > So, the Akshaya Patra was their "safety net," but their Dharma (duty) to > the Brahmin and their own warrior instincts are what led them into the > Yaksha's trap. > > I will continue in the next posting > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1518302181.220255.1770599289099%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/1518302181.220255.1770599289099%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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