On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

One consequence of that positioning was that they could not accept any advice 
from
any of the people who work with CAs as they imagined all such advice was 
designed
to sabotage their efforts. Which meant that they began by cutting themselves off
from all advice from people with practical experience of what they were 
attempting
to do.

We listened Phillip. In fact, we bend over backwards for the PKIX people,
and you got various Usage types specifically to support the CA model. The
fact that this model has diminishing returns is something you can behind
bring up at CABforum's reconfirmed closed doors.

The big problem with DANE is that it relies on people putting correct 
information
into the DNS and keeping it correct

Luckilly, people already need to do that and have years of experience of
putting the right data in DNS.

even when it is going to have (initially)
marginal impact on functionality. Information in DANE could be useful for some
parties to use to curate certificate data in combination with other data but it
isn't viable for client enforcement in an end to end model.

Now who's levelling downtown Niagra?

Any plan that relies on the typical Webmaster doing anything different is 
unlikely
to succeed.

The webmaster just needs to stick to the same "CA", whether a private
one, or one from CABforum. I fail to see the rocket science here, though
there is clearly the appearance of a smoke screen here.

Paul
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