http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface
Gateway had one that still used the BIOS. It seems like UEFI is just a boot loader, not a BIOS replacement. I'm a little confused though, because at the bottom is says: Criticism EFI has been criticized for bringing more complexity to the system, without bringing significant advantages[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#cite_note-kt_linus-0>and disabling fully open-source BIOS replacements like OpenBIOS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBIOS> and Coreboot<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coreboot> .[21]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#cite_note-20>It does not solve any of BIOS's long standing problems of requiring two different drivers - one for the BIOS and one for the operating System - for most hardware.[22]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#cite_note-gtt_coreboot-21>It is not clear why it is beneficial to have two completely different operating systems running concurrently and doing similar things, or why a new operating system has to be created from scratch.[22]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#cite_note-gtt_coreboot-21> The Free Software Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation>has criticized Intel for pretending to open up their platform, and for preventing interoperability: "It won't run, and doesn't bring us any closer to a BIOS that does run. It is just a distraction."[7]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#cite_note-fsf-fb-6> Note however that TianoCore or GNUFI <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUFI>can be ported as a payload of coreboot, to make a fully-free firmware based on EFI. --------------------------------------------- Todd Elliott [email protected] http://www.theuniquegeek.com/ http://www.google.com/profiles/thelliott On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Edward Crosby <[email protected]> wrote: > I haven't heard of a BIOS pre-boot on machines with UEFI but that would > explain why IBM's blades boot so slowly during POST. > In IBM's case, I think UEFI is still in its infancy. It may take a while > before we see some really fast boot times. I know the first time I booted > the blade with UEFI, before any firmware updates, it was really slow. Then > IBM issued a firmware update for the UEFI and that increased the speed a > little. > I'm not sure about MSI but I know that BIOS, across the board (no pun > intended) amongst all other manufacturers, is supposed to go away in place > of UEFI. > > -- > Have a Better One, > Edward Crosby > http://www.edwardcrosby.com > ----- > "There are no atheists in foxholes or firmware updates." > Merlin Mann > > > Bazinga. > > > > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Todd Elliott <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Maybe Ed could find it, but I think the early UEFI still used a bios > >> pre-boot. So is this announcement saying they are getting rid of BIOS > >> altogether? > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> Todd Elliott > >> [email protected] > >> http://www.theuniquegeek.com/ > >> http://www.google.com/profiles/thelliott > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Edward Crosby > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >>> Oh yeah. I started building IBM blades toward the end of last year with > >>> UEFI. IBM, beforehand, claimed a faster load time during POST alone. It > >>> is > >>> not, it's about the same boot time as blades with BIOS, AND the blades > >>> with UEFI are faster machines. Of course, that could be due to IBM's > >>> hardware. I would love to see the boot time of other manufacturers in > >>> comparison. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Have a Better One, > >>> Edward Crosby > >>> http://www.edwardcrosby.com > >>> ----- > >>> "There are no atheists in foxholes or firmware updates." > >>> Merlin Mann > >>> > >>> > It's about time, UEFI has been around for awhile. > >>> > > >>> > --------------------------------------------- > >>> > Todd Elliott > >>> > [email protected] > >>> > http://www.theuniquegeek.com/ > >>> > http://www.google.com/profiles/thelliott > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Cary Preston <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/09/msi-replacing-bios-with-uefi-firmware-interface-sometime-this-ye/ > >>> >> > >>> >> -- Shared with Google Share Button > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> >> Groups > >>> >> "The Unique Geek" group. > >>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> >> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > > > >>> <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > > > >>> > > >>> >> . > >>> >> For more options, visit this group at > >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups > >>> > "The Unique Geek" group. > >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > > > >>> . > >>> > For more options, visit this group at > >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups > >>> "The Unique Geek" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > > > >>> . > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups > >> "The Unique Geek" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > > > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Unique Geek" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Unique Geek" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<theuniquegeek%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Unique Geek" group. 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